Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Maeve pretty much did, though. And no, this isn't the equivalent, because we don't know how important these two guys were to Tommy's organization.
No she didnt.
Maeve doesnt act in Mab's name. Nor can she command the armies of Winter; there's a reason why Mab's second in command is her handmaiden Lea.

Like I said, the effort it took to stage the ambush extends way past two men with RPG launchers on the Strip.
No it doesn't. It requires two people with access to the armory or the way to get weapons somehow to be suborned. Nothing more.
No.
It required an entire operation to find and locate our warparty in the 2.9 million-man population of the Las Vegas metro area.
That is not trivial and requires a major mobilization of organized crime resources in Las Vegas.

I mean, for a supernatural, thugs arent hard to come by.
And this is the US, which is a land where you can buy ARs off the shelf at a gunshop and mod them to fire full automatic. If Sandra or her cohorts simply wanted a deniable hit, thats what they would have done.
Molly, Lydia, Tiffany and Harry are a combination of powers unique and strong enough that I am fairly sure they can be tracked when together. Why is magic right out? Sandra was right there, could act as a spotter, and likely has some of (mortal) Molly's stuff to act as a focus for sympathetic magic for the purposes of tracking. I think it's rather safe to assume that she'll always be able to track Molly.
I am sure of no such thing.

Wizards cant even be detected if they arent actively using magic if you dont touch them; Dresden missed Elaine Mallory when he was in the same room with her, and didnt recognize any of the three strega in Blood Rites as magic users, and didnt realize Molly was using magic until after the fetches kidnapped her.

Ditto Demons; if they arent working power, they arent obvious.
Same is true for most Exalts who arent actively flaring their anima banner.

The only person in that roll thats explicitly detectable is Molly, and as far as Im aware she cant just be tracked by her aura; its something I think we discussed multiple times during other story arcs.



Magic is right out because even Dresden, White Council wizard and investigator who did finding spells for a living, required physical samples of the person or item he was looking for in order to find them.

When Molly was kidnapped in Proven Guilty, her old hair didnt work as a tracking focus because it had aged out.
He had to use Charity's fresh blood, IIRC. Its been seven months since Sandra disappeared from Chicago. Nothing she might still have from Molly would be a valid focus.
I am putting people who don't give off "is evil" on one team to talk to the guy who might react badly to said evil feelings, and the people who give off "is a fallen" / "is a yama queen" feeling on the other team.
Which is both a poor choice of priorities(party security first, social effectiveness second, not giving offense dead last), and a misunderstanding of how Egyptian mythology works.

Guardian demons are a thing in Egyptian myth. So are demons working for Egyptian gods.
Not everyone has a JudeoChristian outlook on things.
 
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OK.... so normally at this point I would launch into an informational post on magical tracking and what that means but it is very late for me so I'll have to settle for this hint for now from the depths of Molly's arcane insight: just because it is pretty hard to track someone directly, that is arbitrarily point at them from a distance, does not mean it is hard to actually have them followed. The world is full of spirits, great and small and many of them are skilled at stealth. All one would have needed was a chance to latch on, probably at or right outside the Venetian Canals.
 
misunderstanding of how Egyptian mythology works.

Guardian demons are a thing in Egyptian myth. So are demons working for Egyptian gods.
Not everyone has a JudeoChristian outlook on things.
If any of the ExWoD mummy lore applies then they may still take issue:


Mummies & Infernals
As with Abyssals, Infernals are cauldrons of limit- less spiritual corruption. They exist to push the world into final and catastrophic imbalance and then rule over the ruins. They are perhaps the deadliest enemies a mummy will ever face, against which there can be no quarter and no compromise.
Assuming that these guys are involved.
OK.... so normally at this point I would launch into an informational post on magical tracking and what that means but it is very late for me so I'll have to settle for this hint for now from the depths of Molly's arcane insight: just because it is pretty hard to track someone directly, that is arbitrarily point at them from a distance, does not mean it is hard to actually have them followed. The world is full of spirits, great and small and many of them are skilled at stealth. All one would have needed was a chance to latch on, probably at or right outside the Venetian Canals.
That's certainly a ballsy spirit. I would've voted to eat the thing out of spite if we'd found it.
 
That was two essence levels ago.

Well directed and informed he's a threat by way of being able to mote tap us with raiding tactics, but you're going to need significantly better evidence to convince me that random characters are going to beat us up purely because they were named. Especially when you do it for everyone we meet.

Skilled combat wizards, powerful spirit creatures, and the top end powers of the setting are one thing but half reputable gun runners are another.

Molly isn't exactly running around with a dime store investiture or something, punching her in the face isn't how a guy like little Tommy is able to seriously threaten her.
He is a threat because he is a supernatural who is was/is running around with an organization behind him.
Not because his base stat block represents something that will fist fight Molly in a white room.

However, if he's working with Sandra, he has the potential option for Upgrades(TM) which would make him a genuine combat threat under the right circumstances. Like a fight on his own chosen ground in his own city with his own backup. With either investments or a possession or trinkets like one of those Madrigal was carrying.

I was too, though this source is sketchy so maybe it's just wrong:
Yeah, he was forgetting the details of the book.
It happens; thats why longtime writers have betas and assistants.
Thanks for the citation though.

You mean hit squad. Dollars to doughnuts nemesis is going to sic them on us. Even if they're not subverted arranging an incident to set them off when the city is already going to shit shouldn't be hard.

An armored convoy would be too much to get away with, but what they can conceal should still be enough to eat a good portion of our remaining reserves.
Potentially.
I certainly wouldnt be surprised. I was stridently opposed to calling this dude to a civilian area for a reason.
There's very little chance it turns out well.

OK.... so normally at this point I would launch into an informational post on magical tracking and what that means but it is very late for me so I'll have to settle for this hint for now from the depths of Molly's arcane insight: just because it is pretty hard to track someone directly, that is arbitrarily point at them from a distance, does not mean it is hard to actually have them followed. The world is full of spirits, great and small and many of them are skilled at stealth. All one would have needed was a chance to latch on, probably at or right outside the Venetian Canals.
I dont buy it.
Following you around? Sure. Getting ahead of you, or calling ahead of you to organize an ambush is a whole different kettle of fish.

Even in Vegas, I dont think people routinely walk around with RPGs in the trunk of their car, and its usually too warm to wear a big trenchcoat(if you're not Harry.). So this had to be organized in the brief time period between Molly et al leaving the Canal and getting into a car.

They had to sneak people qualified to use RPG launchers and get them into position at a spot where you expect the targets to come through.

Thats not an easy logistical process for mortals schlepping around on foot or in a car.
Nevermind that the shooters have to actually know how to use the things.
Which is in itself not a common skill in the US, because ex-Soviet hardware.
If any of the ExWoD mummy lore applies then they may still take issue:
To Molly, sure. Not to Lash, especially if she's in company of an Exigent of Death.
I do suspect there's a mummy in play here. And if anything, Lash is more likely to recognize anything Old Egyptian like that than anyone who isnt Molly; she is the only other person with Occult 5 in this party that isnt Molly.

One person with Occult 5 to either party.
 
[X] Balanced Response
-[X] Split the party
--[X] Oliver Adkin
---[X] Tiffany
---[X] Lydia
--[X] Little Tommy
---[X] Molly
---[X] Harry
 
You all make good points, I didn't check the stat sheets, so I'm changing my vote to:

[X] Balanced Response
-[X] Split the party
--[X] Oliver Adkin
---[X] Tiffany
---[X] Lydia
--[X] Little Tommy
---[X] Molly
---[X] Harry
 
[X] Balanced Response
-[X] Split the party
--[X] Oliver Adkin
---[X] Tiffany
---[X] Lydia
--[X] Little Tommy
---[X] Molly

---[X] Harry
 
Honestly the more I read this the more I think the Yozi would be laughing their incomprehensibly alien asses off at this whole situation, if they weren't truly dead and never coming back.

I mean, one of their princes having to save this washed out funhouse mirror of Creation true, wielding poisoned gifts and power Infernal and ever so slowly ascending into the newest of their siblings via the very same mechanism that Autochthon and the Unconquered Sun forged to slay them and cast them out in the first place?

Oh the sheer mountains of irony in this pale reflection of a universe is DELICIOUS
 
I dont buy it.
Following you around? Sure. Getting ahead of you, or calling ahead of you to organize an ambush is a whole different kettle of fish.

Even in Vegas, I dont think people routinely walk around with RPGs in the trunk of their car, and its usually too warm to wear a big trenchcoat(if you're not Harry.). So this had to be organized in the brief time period between Molly et al leaving the Canal and getting into a car.

They had to sneak people qualified to use RPG launchers and get them into position at a spot where you expect the targets to come through.

That is true, these guys could not have been on a walk with their RPG, does not mean they have to have been looking for Molly and company in particular. That is about as far as I can take intuition though, they could of course have been put in there with a purpose.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Anaja on Jan 13, 2024 at 1:38 AM, finished with 40 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Balanced Response
    -[X] Split the party
    --[X] Oliver Adkin
    ---[X] Tiffany
    ---[X] Lydia
    --[X] Little Tommy
    ---[X] Molly
    ---[X] Harry
    [X] Plan two sides of the law
    -[X] Split the party
    --[X] Oliver Adkin
    ---[X] Harry
    ---[X] Lydia
    --[X] Little Tommy
    ---[X] Tiffany
    ---[X] Molly
    [X] Balanced Response
    [x] Oliver Adkin, high priest of the cult of Ra Descending
 
He is a threat because he is a supernatural who is was/is running around with an organization behind him.
Not because his base stat block represents something that will fist fight Molly in a white room.
You were the one that brought his base stat block into this in the first place:
Little Tommy Fieracelli has mojo.
In the source material, when a strike force of half-Reds went after his Mafia boss dad for being a competitor to their "shipping" business, this guy melee'd a full Red Court vampire and matched it for strength and speed
3) He couldnt get into position in time for the ambush
4) His abilities are not relevant to a shoot RPGs at cars ambush
5) He was part of the trap that we declined when we chose not to pursue Sandra
6) He's dead or injured

Thats his base capability level in the DFRPG.That might not be his peak in this AU.
And with an Outsider agent like Sandra involved here, I cannot speak for what his peak could be, or what sort of backup he could have access to.

Assuming he's working for Sandra of course.
If it was all about his access to guns this would barely be relevant. An organization having the potential to be dangerous like this is fair, but don't reframe it like you were never arguing that he was a threat in this manner when we can see the posts where you do it.
Potentially.
I certainly wouldnt be surprised. I was stridently opposed to calling this dude to a civilian area for a reason.
There's very little chance it turns out well.
Civilian area means more casualties, but I think that he's be pushed into attacking regardless of the location. Our essence supplies aren't in as dire a straight as they were, but it's still the best tactic for beating an exalt if you know what they are.

Following you around? Sure. Getting ahead of you, or calling ahead of you to organize an ambush is a whole different kettle of fish.
Unless they set it up so they had a link to the spirit that was good enough for accurate real time tracking from a distance. Then it's basically the same as slipping a gps tracker on us.

If they'd been planning this for a bit now I could see them scrambling some guys to drive around and pick a section of city based on rumors. Then if the spirit tag goes live you home in and direct them to move around to ambush us.

Getting out gooned like this is annoying, to the point that I'm tempted to dip into our own reserves. Not our mortal followers, but a minor demonic incursion to claw the faces off mook tier resistance.

As a synergy note for later; using war animals would be a lot easier if we found something that qualifies as a dog for Lydia's charms. Something tough enough to do the job without requiring significant investment on our side.

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Arc 11 Post 57: Expendable Assets
Expendable Assets

12th of January 2007 A.D.

Standing five ten in shiny black shoes that might perhaps give him that extra lift, dressed in a dark blue suit belt and fedora handed with the same black stripe Little Tommy Fieracelli looks at first glance less like a real mafioso and more like some college kid whose gotten really into reenacting down in Fairmont and to be fair there is a bit of that, he's younger than he's trying to look and more aware is the image he projects than tough guys are 'supposed' to be. In another time, another place they might have called him a dandy. Set against the backdrop of the Persian style carpet on the wall behind him breathtaking in chromatic complexity he seems almost too crisp and real. Compared to him the trio of guards, though clearly taking their aesthetic cues from their boss look almost more brutish than the ones who had been firing explosive ordinance at you not so long ago.

At Arlene's request you and Harry linger behind the surprisingly sturdy beaded curtain, double layer you realize, while she goes forward to explain the truth of the matter.

"Tommy, I'd say we should stop meeting like this, but I know better than to pose vague wishes to the gods, they might just listen." There is a smile in the priestess' words which is answered moments later by Tommy himself, though it does not reach his eyes.

"Arlene, Arlene, we didn't meet, you called. Now who'd you catch and what's it going to cost me to take 'em off your hands whole before this is done, if it's one of Correy's street bosses I have some pointed questions myself about things moving in on campus. Someone's making waves, trying to make legroom for a push and now you call me in the middle of the night. I'm either walking out of this a smarter man... or..."

By way of answer Arlene clicks a remote as two ornamental panels slide open to reveal a TV that's probably mostly used for games and the like, a bit of light sports' betting between friends. Alas for Tommy it's not March and the Madness on display is of the exploding kind. The attack on the Strip was major news on every local channel and some of the national ones. Even though there hadn't been any victims the explosions had been very large and noticeable, and of course for some reason 'one of them had been green'. A part of you is amused to hear the poor people in the studio opine what would make bright green flames, but most of your attention is fixed in Tommy himself when Arlene explains:

"Two of your people were involved in that. I have them, they are fine, but I need to know what they were doing down there. The people they attacked are not the kind of walk away from something like that without answers."

He goes very, very still, though less out of guilt you would say and more the reflex of someone getting hit out of left field. "'The people', not your people. What's it to you?"

"Ken's alive, they found him," the priestess replies

As she says this the man's gaze loses focus for a moment, attention turning elsewhere. "Huh... so he is. Where was he then?"

"Tommy, I have two of your people prisoner for shooting up the strip in the presence of something nasty enough to call a Council Warden and more. Now is not the time to be trying to finagle answers out of me." Before he can answer she waves you and Harry in, introducing him as Warden Dresden, earning a bit of a double take and then looks to you for your own introduction, not who you are of course, now much do you want to scare this fellow. That is when you realize that he can feel the over-presture of your presence.... so you lean into it a little, allow the mark on your brow to spark, the dark mail of your armor to show through under your jacket.

"You, I saw you!" Dawning horror distorts his features. "You're the one!"

A moment later your shield snaps open as you bat away a panicked burst of lead. He's a lot faster than any purely mortal man, blurring though the air, but the gun only had six bullets in it, giving you the chance to...

Arlene wrapped now in a cocoon of soft golden light reaches out and grabs the man's shoulder shaking him, the way one might try to wake someone from deep sleep and with each shake a prayer that holds the name of Ishtar. Here in the place of her power the goddess will not be defied, the light sinks though his skin like a soft rain and in the span of a few breaths his muscles unclench and the scales fall from his eyes.

"What the Hell!" Tommy looks down from his gun to Arlene to you, but it's Harry who speaks first.

"Empty Night! She programed all of them to kill as soon as they spotted us, maybe other things as well. It wasn't some careful assassination. It's human landmines to slow us down!"

It takes a little while to get the point across afterwords, but there is nothing to dispute Harry's point, Sandra, or some ally of hers had turned some or all of the Shadow Killers into unknowing thralls, ready to kill as soon as the switch in their programing flips, with no concern for their own safety or the safety of others.

"Who did this?" there's an edge of desperation to the words. "Who was it that turned me and mine into attack dogs!"

What do you explain about Sandra to Arlene and Little Tommy?

[] She an enemy of yours who almost plotted your destruction

[] She is a warlock wanted by the Council

[] She is a servant of Outiders

[] Write in


OOC: Welp, you uncovered one of Sandra's cards in what was potentially one of the best places to do so, the temple whose priestess has divinely given talent to break compulsions, but there is still quite a few Shadow Killers out there.
 
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[X] She is an Enemy of Creation. Welcome to Big Leagues, Tommy, how would you like to help save the world?
-[X] Empathy or leadership excellency, whichever is more appropriate.

Trauma enough for a social exalt to rebuild the whole person, I think.
 
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Empty Night! She programed all of them to kill as soon as they spotted us, maybe other things as well. It wasn't some careful assassination. It's human landmines to slow us down!"
Arlene came in clutch with the nonlethal save. That's actually a pretty effective tactic because we don't kill humans unless we have to they are effectively hostages. Probably not the only ones that got mind whammied either. @DragonParadox Do we have non-lethal weapons like stun guns in our world that we could use against humans? Probably should carry some in a backpack or something since we don't have a bag of holding.
 
Arlene came in clutch with the nonlethal save. That's actually a pretty effective tactic because we don't kill humans unless we have to they are effectively hostages. Probably not the only ones that got mind whammied either. @DragonParadox Do we have non-lethal weapons like stun guns in our world that we could use against humans? Probably should carry some in a backpack or something since we don't have a bag of holding.

You do, but they are shorter range and less effective than the lethal ones. In terms of Melee, which I assume is what you want for Molly the standard is actually poisoned weapons, where the poison is tranquilizer.
 
OOC: Welp, you uncovered one of Sandra's cards in what was potentially one of the best places to do so, the temple whose priestess has divinely given talent to break compulsions, but there is still quite a few Shadow Killers out there.
Obligatory question - is any of this (human thralls, Ishtar's ability to help them) enough to trigger essence recovery?
 
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