Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Why? If anything wouldn't it make people more wary of starting shit with us because he's a Warden? Our aim here is Outsider related I don't see how that would reflect badly on the Council either and it's not like Wardens aren't allowed in Vegas it's still a human city.
Three reasons:
1) Politics - he's too visible and too high ranked in a known large scale organization. He's not an independent operator
2) Convenience - transporting him is not easy
3) This would leave Chicago way too unchecked.
 
The protection is not as good for a car as when an infernal is on foot. The driver cannot be noticed, but the car and the other passengers can. So if you run someone over under ATP witnesses will not be able to describe you, but they would be able to describe the car just fine. Also normal cameras who do not have willpower will be able to get videos of you just fine and people looking at them after the fact would not be under the incidence of the charm as they were not in the presence of an Infernal with active ATP.
Fair enough.

We could put a demon in the plane technically. I see no way this could go wrong. :p
Harry wouldnt go for it.
Too much apparent risk to civilians for no apparent gain.
Can't we drop people in the Courts and then pick them up after we get to our destination?
Could even use RVD to go up the Colarado River.
This is a great suggestion.
You can, but that is two Essence in both directions, which means you would get to Vegas at 11/15
Not if you spend 30 minutes in Rendered Villain Dispersal + Charred Sinner Renewal.
And while bringing people into Sanctuary costs 2m, bringing them out does not appear to cost

Chicago to Brass Courts for Vegas Party: -2m Essence, <30 seconds.
Molly returns to Last Station, spends 30 minutes soaking in bleach to recover Essence: +2m Essence, -30 minutes
RVD to Las Vegas via the Colorado River: ~1minute
Retrieve guests: ~1minute
Total time: 35 minutes.

Flight time from Chicago to Las Vegas by commercial flight: 4 hours.
 
We might as well spend half and a hour in our court both ways when doing pickup and dropoff to recover our essence. Still quicker than a car ride.

That would allow you to recover what you spend on the way in not the way out, still down two essence, but yeah it seems more viable. Molly will do it this way. (no sense in having a vote, I don't want this to drag).

Good thing you guys reminded me she could do this.
 
Ok, fair point about Isabela, I think. I am against Dresden, and very iffy on Tiffany actually (way too easy to pick up torment in Vegas, I think).
[X] Lydia

Back to basics. The core member of our circle.
Harry is literally the only trained and experienced investigator here. And the only one who can summon Wyldfae.
Cant afford to leave him behind. And this entire thing isnt going to last more than a weekend max; more likely to be a day or so, since Molly only needs an hour of sleep.



Lash is Willpower 8.
Only so much babying she requires, and we actually do need to extend trust if we are trying to build a relationship.
Not to mention everything else she brings to the investigation.

We REALLY dont want to find out her tolerances and limits when the Denarians show up.
 
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[X]Plan Vegas Party

Our Intentions: low profile, in and out, 20 minute adventure

Our Raid Party: armed to the teeth and ready to throw down with several lower-g gods
 
Nope.
Im guessing its at least a minor Incarna, something at least as powerful as Broken Seeker.
Probably more so, given that its been gorging on power for at least a century and is supposed to hold a gate closed.
If we were more prepared we probably should of asked Bob before leaving. Given they might not know there are as many things Bob doesn't know as he does after all worlds a big place.
 
[X]Plan Vegas Party

Our Intentions: low profile, in and out, 20 minute adventure
Our Raid Party: armed to the teeth and ready to throw down with several lower-g gods
To be fair, they are already expecting us, or someone like us.

Maeve already tried to open contact on this matter and has been ignored by the Red Dragon and members of his entourage.
Not rebuffed, but ignored. If I was Sandra, I would expect that Winter would respond to this sort of thing once they found out my location by calling in a favor or ten, and prepare accordingly. And Winter has a LOT of favors.

Being loaded for a small war is only prudent.
 
If we were more prepared we probably should of asked Bob before leaving. Given they might not know there are as many things Bob doesn't know as he does after all worlds a big place.

Bob is for all his deep lore not very useful in this instance. You do not have enough information to ask him about the magical topography and the politics of this place dates back to when he was in Kemmler's possession so has serous gaps in his memory
 
I was more thinking what is a sin eater.

A kind of demon. Sadly he does not have much insight on their either as the people who actually bound the thing were A) Long before his time and B) On a different continent. If you had more to give him he might have been able to contextualize it to something familiar, but as is... well Maeve did not give you a lot of work with.
 
Welp, good night guys, see you in the morning as Molly Carpenter goes to Vegas
Pay not attention to the sound in the distance, that is just Charity pretending to be a tea kettle :V
 
A kind of demon. Sadly he does not have much insight on their either as the people who actually bound the thing were A) Long before his time and B) On a different continent. If you had more to give him he might have been able to contextualize it to something familiar, but as is... well Maeve did not give you a lot of work with.
thats fairish there are likely countless kinds of demons out there he can't know them all. Surprised he doesn't even know rumors though he knows plenty of Asian, American, and European creatures in canon.
 
Furthermore, they canonically put Nemesis shards in Justine and Cat Sith, Maeve and Aurora.
Right next to a Starborn, and both Queens of the Fae Courts, so its not like Nemesis lacks an appetite for risk.
If the risk is too high for its appetite, another Outsider can do it.
So when are we going to let them stretch their legs then? Because they're potential targets so long as outsiders capable of possession can access reality.

If we can't deploy them to get their feet wet directly under our supervision then there's no situation where they're really secure.
 
1) Politics - he's too visible and too high ranked in a known large scale organization. He's not an independent operator
2) Convenience - transporting him is not easy
3) This would leave Chicago way too unchecked.
Do recall that Harry is an independent investigator with his number in the phone book. He does things on his own without representing the White Council all the time.

Considering the advantage he could give us with his specialty as a Starborn and investigator think its well worth the hassle of bringing him.

We should be gone for a week at most it's not like someone wants to destroy the place right now. Frankly this seems like a higher priority even if someone did considering what we recently learned of Nemesis.
 
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Being starborn in this continuity means having an old soul and I know it means they were enlightened in a past past past ad infinum life ago. But, some of those souls from long ago were probably exalted right even if only very few?
 
Nope.
Im guessing its at least a minor Incarna, something at least as powerful as Broken Seeker.
Probably more so, given that its been gorging on power for at least a century and is supposed to hold a gate closed.
There can only be so many Incarna before the term starts to lose meaning. I think it'd make sense to model it as a weaker spirit cheating on its fuel requirements to overuse its strongest abilities. Like a demon who's storyteller didn't properly enforce the throttle on pacts but didn't allow enough exp to buy up all the most broken abilities.
 
There can only be so many Incarna before the term starts to lose meaning. I think it'd make sense to model it as a weaker spirit cheating on its fuel requirements to overuse its strongest abilities. Like a demon who's storyteller didn't properly enforce the throttle on pacts but didn't allow enough exp to buy up all the most broken abilities.
In canon in the nevernever I'm not sure Mab is that big a deal Hades is approximately her equal, plenty of other pantheons exist, most just don't have much access to the world and when they do they hit the nerf bat if they want to play actual game. Naagloshi are pretty big deals and their in the lowest level security of demonreach there are 6000 entities in demonreach. With dark gods, nightmares, nameless things, and immortals as listed inhabitants of it. So I'm really unsure it really is overused?

Edit: Given I imagine this quest setting is while plenty of shit exists is less bullshit than normal dresden files in amount of frankly quite bullshit powers. Cause canon is a multiverse and we've already been told in wog things can blow up the universe other than angels. So nerf bat probably exists in quest and there are probably far less things on Mabs level and higher than I imagine exist in canon.
 
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In canon in the nevernever I'm not sure Mab is that big a deal Hades is approximately her equal, plenty of other pantheons exist, most just don't have much access to the world and when they do they hit the nerf bat if they want to play actual game. Naagloshi are pretty big deals and their in the lowest level security of demonreach there are 6000 entities in demonreach. With dark gods, nightmares, nameless things, and immortals as listed inhabitants of it. So I'm really unsure it really is overused?

Edit: Given I imagine this quest setting is while plenty of shit exists is less bullshit than normal dresden files in amount of frankly quite bullshit powers. Cause canon is a multiverse and we've already been told in wog things can blow up the universe other than angels. So nerf bat probably exists in quest and there are probably far less things on Mabs level and higher than I imagine exist in canon.
Nope:

Trace asks, we now know that the Tuatha are enemies of the Fomor, are there still some of the Tuatha around? Are any of them now part of the Sidhe?

Yeah the Tuatha are about and the Tuatha are folks that- they sort of straddle the line between powerful faeries and like, demigods/full on godly gods, kind of depending on where they are. And they also kind of intermix with like Balor and other beings that were essentially Titans, they were very much parallel to the Titans anyway. But uh... where'd this question start? Oh my gosh I'm sorry there's been a lot of interviews lately.

Are they now part of the Sidhe?

No, Mab kind of took over a lot of the mantles of power that went along with that when the fae queens were created so they're kind of red- because they were attached to these godly beings they're kind of mostly retired like a lot of the rest of the gods, they're kind of out doing other stuff now and they're not nearly as invested in guiding and protecting humanity as they should have been but we might get to see some more of that in the series as we keep going. I mean, I just get to do more and more fun things from here on out, we can do the parallel universes and then we're gonna get to do the wrestling book before too much longer, the kaiju book, it'll be a good time.

Somebody was curious about the line of succession, what would happen if Mab died? Who would be next in line or is that a secret that we're not supposed to know yet?

Um uh uh I guess you'll have to find out if it happens, we'll see.... Now I'm thinking about it, damn it people.

laughter

Oh wow, that'd be bad... wow, yeah I'm not gonna tell you anything. I'm not gonna tell you anything at this point, yeah that would be awful, that'd be a terrible thing.
Cite.


Well as a quick follow-up then, is that-cause we know um the faerie courts and the queens and stuff they were kind of- they had to come into being for a reason, was that part of Mab's mantle's creation-to be able to stand up to kinds of things like that as like a failsafe?

I don't want to tell you too much about it just yet, but yeah I mean essentially you know Mab has a role and a purpose. So for her to be where she is, yeah is was kind of her duty to be able to stand up to threats like that. She wasn't really anticipated to /have to/ stand up to a titan because everybody was pretty sure they were all taken care of but you know Ethniu's been laying low, biding her time. But at the same time, they did what was appropriate they got everybody together to take on the threat, or at least everybody they could.

So speaking of Mab and her defending the mortal world and the Eye of Balor, does Mab have any other famous weapons stashed away magically speaking?

Or in famous monuments.


Yeah, weapons, monuments, that sort of thing. Well I mean she's got- sort of? Mab is kind of- she's sort of an absolute value in many ways. Mab doesn't go and collect stuff, Mab makes herself more awesome. That's really kind of more of her philosophy it's like "go out and get things? Yeah you can go out and pick up, you know, the spear of destiny and sure that would be a handy thing but you know what would be even better? If I made myself that much cooler, as much cooler as if I had the spear of destiny", that would be more Mab's tactic. She's not very material, she's not attached to things.

I misread the question actually, like with the battle of the bean, the weapons stashes, does she have similar stashes?

OH, yeah, Mab is big on being prepared, that's kind of one of her things and sort of what she does I mean, when you're a professional guardian it's kind of your job to be prepared. So yeah she has stuff like that all over the place.
Cite.

Mab isn't a good person by many reasonable metrics, but she is an important one with genuinely trying to do an important job. She personally took the power of the people who mythologically speaking killed Balor himself in the first place.

Hades is powerful, but his job has "only" ever been to look after the souls of the ancient Greeks. Important? Yes. But on every practical level Winter is filling a more critical role and he hasn't eaten a lion's share of a pantheon lately.
 
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