Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
- Location
- Germany
Sounds pretty pointless.
Why would you write up the mechanics for a Charm that will never be relevant in any possible play?
Doubling your lifespan from one instance of "more than I could possibly spend a campaign on" to twice that is not something any player would buy.
That is probably exactly why no wordcount was spent on it.
- Location
- washington
Speaking of essence levels anyone know how close we are to essence 4?
She is standing on top of a fire escape, there is little in the way of non-magical stealth you can employ given that Molly does not have stealth. Plus if you do not act fast she will be going back inside and that is where she keeps all her stuff. Going into the sanctum of a potentially hostile mage while low on Essence is pretty risky.
It is tangentially related in so much as the capability of the exalted. Uju likes to make points that the exalted are incapable of certain things when in reality there are a few things. because it is a game rather than actually incapable of a thing there's nothing stopping a solar awareness build for being omniscient within a certain area as long as their senses are tuned. That would never be published because that makes for boring gameplay but that is the general kind of gist.
So when Uju says the exalted never could have dealt with the neverborn. There are immediate objections because nowhere in the fluff or in the actual metaphysical understanding of the setting enshrines the never born as Unstoppable or non deal withable.
So there is immediate friction on how sacred things in the setting are and mine and from what I can tell Earth Destroyers viewpoint is that nothing is sacred the yozi the primordials and the neverborn their Creations are nothing special they're just the first and the largest.
In this we meet a Crossroads because Uriel as an entity in exalted should be able to be killed by Molly if she's strong enough. Not dissimilar to fighting Liger. People mistakenly believe that the sub Souls of the Yozi are equal to the Exalted.
In a fight between an Essence 5 Dawn caste solar who is focused on fighting versus any sub soul of any primordial I'm betting on the dawn caste never mind Essence 6 through 10. And that goes for any Celestial exalt in their field of focus versus any demon or any primordial in any sense.
Because Dresden files are books actors are capable of having completely outsized, unfun or unplayable abilities that are directly useful in combat like say working combat intellectus and shit like that. Never mind the console command bullshit of the arch angels.
That make that dynamic of the exalted and world of darkness as whole rather untenable so when uju claims angels are completely beyond the Scale of Molly or that the White God is beyond the Primordials in a combination setting it seems like complete down play of exactly the Themes of the Exalted to begin with.
- Location
- Norway
The Time of Cascading Years was canonically a period of conflicting parallell timelines, centered on the Exalted, for unknown reason. To quote Lands of Creation,
"Each experienced a different amount of time, from a single afternoon to 1000 years. All survivors -- even the Dragon-Blooded -- each recall personally enacting some notable task that restored Creation to its rightful configuration."
Restored to its rightful configuration is a very different thing from rebuilding after it was destroyed. Also,
"From the point of view of Heaven and those spirits that were immaterial during the period, no time passed."
"Savants are divided as to what caused the time of cascading years. Many theorize that some untested weapon was responsible. Some suspect that the history cascade was the result of some process or experiment intended to grant every Exalt in Creation profound insight into the nature of Essence, a radical attempt to advance motic science by gathering 700 Celestial epiphanies -- and, presumably, end the Thousand Struggles Era. The least popular theory holds that the Incarnae themselves somehow set off the temporal cascade as a way to stop the Thousand Struggles Era before it escalated beyond Creation's capacity to contain."
BoredMan
Dinosaurs came in many flavors. Like potato chips.
The leading vote says to use a mote on an Excellency but we should still have this one running for the scene right? I hope Molly isn't going to spend on another excellency if she is already using one for this.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the mechanics it would be a waste of a mote for no reason.
Naked Wicked Souls rolls Wits + Subterfuge which means you need a subterfuge excellency. Talking to Katherine would be Charisma+Empathy which needs the Empathy Excellency. Subterfuge would work if you meant to hide something from her, but the winning vote is not.
- Location
- Earth
Uh, no. The targets wits+Subterfuge is the difficulty.
Oh right, that is what I get for glancing over the charm, reading properly yes you have the excellency.
Anyway vote closed.
Arc 11 Post 31: Questions Hanging Heavy
Questions Hanging Heavy
7th of January 2007 A.D.
"Dad..." the word does not sound like it was choked out of you somehow. "You guys can be my backup, Harry can you raise a veil around me that makes it so other people can't see me, but she can," you tip your head towards the girl atop the fire escape.
"On it," Lydia says even as Tiffany corrects "Around us.If you are planning to do what I think you're going to..."
"Don't want to walk into her sanctum if I can help it," you say, true as far as it goes, but you also don't want your father in this conversation. He's seen worse, he'd dealt with worse, intellectually you know that, but you don't want to drop this on him and if this goes bad... well then Katherine will be dead and the horror that lead her here will be buried with her.
"Just what are you planning?" Harry asks.
The two of you share a look. "Well, we are kind of in a hurry right..."
***
Visitations are an excellent way to get someone to doubt their faith, so said the Archive who had borne witness to all the history of mankind and so as Harry utters 'Obscurata' the two of you take flight, on chill winds and stone wings, light silver and green dancing in tandem as even the city that never sleeps had not seen.
Lost 1 Essence (BRR: Flight) -> Now at 5/15
The dark haired woman's eyes snap to the ground the moment the magic starts and you can feel her will gathering. True the Archive is prepared to shut her down with extreme prejudice, but all of you know that if it comes to that if she throws a deadly spell she's not coming out of this alive. Harry can only turn a blind eye so far.
"Katherine Campbell know that you have been lied to!"
"A lie unspeakable, but the heart's truth will have its due!"
"That which left you sick to your bones, your new path doubting..."
"Was not the weakness she claimed, t'was his blood from the earth calling!"
As the echoes of your twined voices fade she stands unmoving, as though they had the power to turn her to stone. Then the cigarette drops from her hand, still burning, it falls against her hand singing her skin. As though the pain had awoken her, awoken something in her she screams "Leave me alone! You took him! You monsters and goblins and faeries! Leave me alone!"
"A fairy I am not, though wings I have," Tiffany speaks first, her voice serene, no sign of her usual sheen of light sarcasm
"A monster I am not, though some have called me such," you pick up the proclamation. At another time saying that might have sent your mind spinning, wondering at the meanings of words, but not here and now, you have to keep the cadence, to strike just hard enough to keep her feeling and not acting, but not so hard as to break her with a single strike.
"Your brother we did not take from you," a sigh like wind chines passes Lasciel's... Lash's lips, though so you imagine that angel she once was might have appeared on the even of the Fall.
"From you we wish nothing," you say with utmost sincerity.
"Save that you know in your head the truth that your heart had guessed at," she finishes. "We wish that Josh be at peace and you likewise."
"It's the things at the cabin, it was always them, they don't always look like monsters at first, but monsters make more monsters, like sculptures out of finely marbled meat." The words, the images they conjure should repel them, but in this place and in this hour you know they are the right ones so on you plow upon a field of tears.
"God.... Why? Why God!" As she screams the last word she collapses onto the railing. For that you do not have an answer.
Tiffany's answer is to fly over and grab her wrist. At first you think it's to knock her out, but instead of fainting Katherine's muscles relax her posture shifts, her pupils narrow up again, every single stress reaction expunged in an instant.
"You still get a choice," she whispers. "Do you want to forget?"
"I... I want to die, I think... But then I'll be with Him! He's already won hasn't He? No God but Leviathan, playing with his food?"
"That's just another lie, to get you to walk into his mouth," you say, stepping onto the bare steel platform.
"Maybe that's where I deserve to be."
Before you can tackle that Tiffany speaks. "You are going to have to forget some things, the keys, the paths through the dark. If you want we can make it more."
"Everything." Despair is all the more dreadful for how still she is, how calm her breathing. "Let me have death of the mind if not the body."
"Then you won't know what's out there, what might be coming for you still," Tiffany points out, one wing starting to curl around the girl's back before she stops herself. "But you can still forget how and when and where, those things you do not need to know to stay safe."
"Why should I be safe?" That question you had been expecting.
"Because that is one more person safe from the monsters." Even you do not know where sympathy for Katherine ends and spite for Nemesis begins. In the end it doesn't matter, she agrees to come down.
As the veil drops both you and Tiffany are back in ordinary guise. "Thanks for the help back there," you whisper as the Archive leads Katherine towards the playground across the way to perform the memory alteration.
"Least I could do," she shrugs. "If that girl didn't deserve a chance to live her life what hope is there for me? Her faith's gone you know, all the way..." she sighs and looks across the skyline to the east.
Circle Member Gained: Tiffany 'Lash' MacNeil
"Molly, what happened to Katherine?" Dad's question distracts you before you can come up with an answer for Tiffany.
In as few words as you can manage you explain what had happened to Josh, what He Who Walks Beside tried to make of his sister. There is no need to look deep or wonder at his reaction. It hits him hard, but guilt does not drown out the relief in the knowledge that Katherine at least might be able to find her way out of this nightmare. The Ventori would be keeping an eye on Katherine, to make sure she is safe, in both senses of the word and you had left her with links by which to find members of the Order of the Cauldron online. Harry would stick around town for at least a week to help purge tainted paraphernalia and offer what basic lessons in magic he can across the gulf between mortal magic and a changeling's talents.
What do you do next?
[] Go to Vegas, you feel like kicking the shit out of Nemesis' friends to make yourself feel better
[] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar not in the ways of the spirit but the mind, the Bridge of Dreams
[] Higher Education: According to Od... that is Donar Vadderung Cambridge Massachusetts is in in a power void at the moment, one that given the power and influence certain factions of the unseen world could acquire by getting their hooks into the students early could be a lot of trouble down the road. On the other hand that very fact could be of great use to you. Check it out, see if you can establish a presence there. After all it is quite close by water.
[] Write in
OOC: I thought about doing another update but that would not have been that interesting so here we are again.
This seems like a weird way to deal with primordials in a comparison.
One v. One with a primordial is fighting all its sub souls, talking about fights with a sub soul is like talking about who could beat a solaroid only allowed to use one finger on one hand. That primordial sub souls are a serious contender in those situations that actually did kill essence 1-5 exalts by the circle is just a sign of how bullshit they are.
The guys who made creation weren't pushovers, that's what makes the exalted's victory so amazing even for them.
For the purposes of ExWoD there are also nerfs in play. Cain is definitely weaker than a world titan is supposed to be and he's a high essence circle level threat for ExWoD exalts.
Uriel could die to exalts, but it'd be the sort of war that cycles through heroes by the hundreds.
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Rolls
Harry Veil +1 Willpower
All or nothing Molly & Lash in Apocalyptic Form: Read Emotions -> Helping
vs Opposed Willpower with Intimacy
True Faith Broken
Lash Body Control so you can actually keep talking to her
Molly offering her a reason not to despair
Lash Makes a Suggestion
Harry Veil +1 Willpower
All or nothing Molly & Lash in Apocalyptic Form: Read Emotions -> Helping
vs Opposed Willpower with Intimacy
True Faith Broken
Lash Body Control so you can actually keep talking to her
Molly offering her a reason not to despair
Lash Makes a Suggestion
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[X] Higher Education: According to Od... that is Donar Vadderung Cambridge Massachusetts is in in a power void at the moment, one that given the power and influence certain factions of the unseen world could acquire by getting their hooks into the students early could be a lot of trouble down the road. On the other hand that very fact could be of great use to you. Check it out, see if you can establish a presence there. After all it is quite close by water.
[X] A Big Score, your Crown isn't really made for picking out random numbers in a mundane draw, but it is still your power so you can push it that one time to win a lottery... any lottery. You will have to find the balance between payout and anonymity and some place to park the money but that seems reasonably doable with some help from mom and dad, and unlike some of your other plans they are unlikely to object to this form of cheating at gambling
[X] Tools Redeemed: Thinking back on that paraphernalia you looted from the Fomori tantalizing insights come to mind... and more immediately relevant it will mean you can finally stop mooching of Harry's equipment. (Gain Alchemy Laboratory Halved XP price for reaching Alchemy 4)
[X] In the Sky a Thousand Eyes: If you see something you can stick a demon in it. It occurs to you that satellites are definitely something you can see with the right tools, though you are going to have to figure out which ones you want and what orders to give them.
[X] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar not in the ways of the spirit but the mind, the Bridge of Dreams
To be frank it feels like we're just missing the other half of what makes an powerful people powerful resources, information and infrastructure on top of skill it feels like we've got the killing down I prefer to have the other stuff now as well as to avoid any more intersection with the awful season elves and Geas bound actors.
[X] A Big Score, your Crown isn't really made for picking out random numbers in a mundane draw, but it is still your power so you can push it that one time to win a lottery... any lottery. You will have to find the balance between payout and anonymity and some place to park the money but that seems reasonably doable with some help from mom and dad, and unlike some of your other plans they are unlikely to object to this form of cheating at gambling
[X] Tools Redeemed: Thinking back on that paraphernalia you looted from the Fomori tantalizing insights come to mind... and more immediately relevant it will mean you can finally stop mooching of Harry's equipment. (Gain Alchemy Laboratory Halved XP price for reaching Alchemy 4)
[X] In the Sky a Thousand Eyes: If you see something you can stick a demon in it. It occurs to you that satellites are definitely something you can see with the right tools, though you are going to have to figure out which ones you want and what orders to give them.
[X] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar not in the ways of the spirit but the mind, the Bridge of Dreams
To be frank it feels like we're just missing the other half of what makes an powerful people powerful resources, information and infrastructure on top of skill it feels like we've got the killing down I prefer to have the other stuff now as well as to avoid any more intersection with the awful season elves and Geas bound actors.
- Location
- A nondescript grave
[X] The Bridges of the Spirit
A palette cleanser, mayhaps?
A palette cleanser, mayhaps?
Been out of it for the last few days, question Nemesis wants to break the Masquerade, do we try and stop it, or do we preempt its attempt, and break it ourselves.
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From what I understand we could perform a Dark Hollow ritual and kill a significant portion of Chicago if we wanted to and the Masquerade still wouldn't fall because the Masquerade is enforced by a human fear and it'll only go down when humans decide fight is better than flight and a lot of Supernatural resources and normal resources have them poured into making flight more attractive.
Lash has been added to the front page as a companion.