Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Any way of arguing that she should gather the others, so that when we prove our accusations they can not flee?

Seems sensible - we could offer a small bargin/redress for the bother/incovience caused if they prove to be uncorrupted as incentive (since we know that they are).
 
To be fair to her she is planning to investigate, it's just that she wants to give Sathar the chance to face his accuser which is... less then ideal. To be even more fair Ivy rolled just one success which lead to a rather blunt presentation of the facts.
At least her could bring all four at once so that if we're telling the truth, it wouldn't inform the other parties, but no, who needs logic.
As I said, I understand that, but as I wrote above, there was a way to allow all the accused to defend themselves without compromising information security if her used a little logic.

Why did she focus on the knight next to her, when she knows that Nemesis is a hive mind, with four named infiltrators?

Even though she has received information in blunt ways (what did she want? that all reports from Outsides should be delivered with all possible information and in the form of poetry?) as a Fae Queen, she should treat it as truth until proven otherwise, like Mab, who had points of enemies against us unlike her, did. For me she failed in one of her duty.
 
I mean, it is the honorable thing, for her to do right by her vassal.

[X] Call out what you can exorcise those possessed of Nemesis (Charisma+Empathy)
-[X] Excellency
 
@DragonParadox I'm a bit unclear.
Is the intention of '[X] Call out what you can exorcise those possessed of Nemesis (Charisma+Empathy)' to try and get Titania to not pull in Lord Sathar right now, and instead to get her to gather all the possessed first?

Because I'm not sure what immidate outcome Molly is going for by saying that

[though I am in favour of this min arc with Titania knowing we can exorcise people; because we'd have exorcised all these folk here, I don't understand what the intention of the above option is]
 
Titty plans on pulling Sathar into the timestop so he can defend himself. Neither of the two default choices would actually alter her intentions, IMO.
I'd prefer we stop her first and then explain to her the information link that Nemesis has.

Maybe something like?...

[X] Remind the queen that Nemesis is capable of sharing information across all its hosts.
-[X] Stress that it is their right to defend themselves, of course, but that the accusation should only be leveled against them when they are all present before the queen, otherwise they might have time to erase evidence or cause harm to the queen's subjects.

A bit wordy, but w/e
 
I mean, it is the honorable thing, for her to do right by her vassal.

[X] Call out what you can exorcise those possessed of Nemesis (Charisma+Empathy)
-[X] Excellency
She can do right by her vassal and gather all those that she has been told have had their wills suborned so that they may be freed, though. Those two things are not in conflict.
Titty plans on pulling Sathar into the timestop so he can defend himself. Neither of the two default choices would actually alter her intentions,
See, that's why I'm confused, 'cuz I have the same read you do, but a vote option to try and alter her intentions feels reasonable to have and I'm generally unclear on what outcome the 'I can do exorcisms' option is supposed to have.
 
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@DragonParadox I'm a bit unclear.
Is the intention of '[X] Call out what you can exorcise those possessed of Nemesis (Charisma+Empathy)' to try and get Titania to not pull in Lord Sathar right now, and instead to get her to gather all the possessed first?

Because I'm not sure what immidate outcome Molly is going for by saying that

[though I am in favour of this min arc with Titania knowing we can exorcise people; because we'd have exorcised all these folk here, I don't understand what the intention of the above option is]

The outcome is Titania not pulling him out of the frozen moment if you manage it. It's basically saying 'I can save them'.
 
I'd be cautious here guys. The first thing she's going to think is:

"Why didn't you save MY DAUGHTER then?"

Titania is all about emotion. The notion Aurora could have been saved may drive her over the brink here.

If you're going to explain the ability, at least emphasize it's recently acquired. Titania should know that anyway... But still.
 
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The outcome is Titania not pulling him out of the frozen moment if you manage it. It's basically saying 'I can save them'.
I am 100% onboard with Titania knowing we can exorcise them, 'cuz I think that will give us more brownie points if we do so and also it's nicer.

Do we know if Titania knows the Outsider has real-time awareness of what happens to those it is possessing?

I'm presuming that Titania does not believe us, is fully confident that we are wrong, because otherwise this would not be happening.

Might she be open to a tiny gamble/barging? I think at least offering such would be useful in convincing Titania of our confidence here.
A 'gather all four here to so that they might be held when we work to free them, and if we are wrong - which I know we are not, then I will labour [1 to 3 AP] to make a... [device] for you.'
[Small print: it's if any one of them are possessed. I'll not have the outsider fuck our AP by leaving one of its victims if it knows that it can strike back by doing so :p]

Coming up with a stunt/vote
I'd be cautious here guys. The first thing she's going to think is:

"Why didn't you save MY DAUGHTER then?"

Titania is all about emotion. The notion Aurora could have been saved may drive her over the brink here.

If you're going to explain the ability, at least emphasize it's recently acquired. Titania should know that anyway... But still.
Literally who? :p Thank you for the warning though. Actual question: When was the Aurora lost, and would Molly have reason to know that this happened/in what manner Aurora was lost? I can try fit such wording in, as long as it's not meta-knowledg'y. That or we can use a crown question on this scene to lean what pitfalls to avoid when telling Titania about our exorcism ability.
 
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[X] Call out what you can exorcise those possessed of Nemesis (Charisma+Empathy)
-[X] "You know, Your Majesty, that Queen of Air and Darkness wouldn't have gambled on her heir or with the threat of Outsiders. I will be able to save your vassals, if the Enemy doesn't know about us."
-[X] Activate suitable social boni.
 
[X] Call out what you can exorcise those possessed of Nemesis (Charisma+Empathy)
-[X] Excellency

[X] Remind the queen that Nemesis is capable of sharing information across all its hosts.
-[X] Stress that it is their right to defend themselves, of course, but that the accusation should only be leveled against them when they are all present before the queen, otherwise they might have time to erase evidence or cause harm to the queen's subjects.

[X] Call out what you can exorcise those possessed of Nemesis (Charisma+Empathy)
-[X] "You know, Your Majesty, that Queen of Air and Darkness wouldn't have gambled on her heir or with the threat of Outsiders. I will be able to save your vassals, if the Enemy doesn't know about us."
-[X] Activate suitable social boni.

[X] Plan: Oh fuck.
 
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Let's not pretend that Titania is an idiot, she knows that Molly received her powers after her Arctis Tot imprisonment.
Oh, then I'm not worried.
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[] Plan: Oh fuck.
-[] STUNT: A sliver panic of starts to rise, not causing you to freeze but instead speeding up your thinking at the cost of a narrower perspective, if only slightly - and your body starts its first twitch to move towards the Queen before your impulse is built into an actual plan. You hold your body still and do the only thing that might pause Titania from alerting the Outsider. You speak, words thrown out as faster than bullets: "I.can.save.them. I can exorcise the enemy from your loyal vassals and free them, but if you alert it by informing one of what we have told you then it will force the others to flee or destroy all they can before they are stopped. If you bring them here first then this can be prevented." And just to sweeten the deal: "You think we speak in error. If none are possessed, then I offer two weeks of my labour to craft art befitting those we named victims, as... a gesture of regret to those that were called here unnecessarily"
-[] Call out what you can exorcise those possessed of Nemesis (Charisma+Empathy)
--[] Excellency
 
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One thing you guys might want to consider is that Titania is actually living up to her obligations as queen in one sense by not believing you. She is not the one in charge of the Outer Gates, that's Mab. From where she is standing you just accused four members of her court in good standing of being outlaws and monsters... well not you, Ivy, if it had been you things might have gotten a lot more messy with results like that. The Archive has a lot more trust built up in these things, though that is not the same as unassailable faith.
 
When the Time is Right​
5th of January 2007 A.D.
COMMENTARY
It just re-occurred to me that Ivy/The Archive was the one who passed Lara Raith that warning we received before going to see Mab last Halloween. So there's good odds that it suspects that Molly has some form of divination up and going.
And it definitely knows that Molly stabbed a Walker to true death.

The Archive always knows more than you expect.


Thank God that Titania is clean.
It would have been...unpleasant if they had gotten to her in the interval; Im not sure Nemesis can Nfest a senior Queen normally, but given how Mab and Titania came to power in this AU, I'd rather not test it.


Called it that there was a Nemesis agent at Court.
If you want to exert influence over Summer Court policy, you want someone near the CEO. And it makes sense that someone trusted here had to have provided the infection vector that got to Aurora.

Lily doesnt have the same relationships, and has been Lady for only a few years. Makes sense she's untouched.


Titania appears less informed than Mab is.

Admittedly, yes, Mab personally saw Molly with caste mark, anima and shintai in the Museum. But both Summer Knight Fix and Summer Lady Lily were there when Molly first got back from Arctis Tor six months ago, and would have seen her anima and caste mark, as well as her demonsword. Titania has no reason not to know what Molly is.


Thats an alchemical reference from ~300AD.
Titania having read 4th century Greek texts says interesting things about her mortal days and her origins.
I thought she and Mab were both in the British Isles.


Going to note that we dont have All Things Betray or Hellscry Chakra running.
But we recognized Nemesis here. I wonder why?
Did the presence of a Creature of Darkness stand out among all the Summer Fae who arent?

Titania SHOULD be able to tell when someone is Nfested if her attention is called to it. Shouldnt she?


We're on half Essence: 8/15.
It costs 5 Essence to use Sapphire Ritual of Exorcism; 6 Essence if we're running Occult Excellency as well. We dont have the juice to burn a lot of Essence in a conversation or a fight and still cast out Nemesis. Or even activate shintai.

In the NeverNever, you only regenerate 1 Essence every 3 hours. We can also burn this scene as a focus for a Crown question, but it will only get us +1 Essence net if we ask the right question. If we burn a lot of mojo here, we'll have to reveal Charred Sinner Renewal's function to get the mojo to do an exorcism afterwards.


Oof that Archive fumble. We are going to have to burn Essence on an Excellency to catch up.

Interesting that Titania apparently benefits from a Mantle buff.
Looks like more than +8 dice, assuming she has a baseline human stat line.
Of course, I suspect thats not the limits of the Mantle, but we're probably noping any fiat effects.
 
Thats an alchemical reference from ~300AD.
Titania having read 4th century Greek texts says interesting things about her mortal days and her origins.
I thought she and Mab were both in the British Isles.

Alchemical texts were passed on widely in the Greco-Roman space and while Britain was on the outskirts it was part of that first though political affiliation, then though trade and culture.

Going to note that we dont have All Things Betray or Hellscry Chakra running.
But we recognized Nemesis here. I wonder why?
Did the presence of a Creature of Darkness stand out among all the Summer Fae who arent?

This is one of the 4 fey you marked out, Molly had a vision of all of them so she would recognize them
 
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Any way of arguing that she should gather the others, so that when we prove our accusations they can not flee?

Seems sensible - we could offer a small bargin/redress for the bother/incovience caused if they prove to be uncorrupted as incentive (since we know that they are).
I wouldn't try to bribe her on this, she's likely to take it poorly since she cares about these people.

I do think getting them together is a good idea, but the summons would make nemesis suspicious. We need a reason for her to summon a group that contains all of the victims, ideally without exclusively doing so because our presence is going to raise flags.
Let's not pretend that Titania is an idiot, she knows that Molly received her powers after her Arctis Tot imprisonment.
Yeah, though this does bring one possibility to mind. She might not blame us, but I could see her being very bitter about her sister having the exact tool needed to save her daughter sitting in her rec room for who knows how long.

It's irrational and she'd know it, because Mab wouldn't have left the exaltation alone if she was aware of what it could do, but Summer fey are elementals of passion and being irrational isn't unusual for them.
And just to sweeten the deal: "You think we speak in error. If none are possessed, then I offer two weeks of my labour to craft art befitting those we named victims, as... a gesture of regret to those that were called here unnecessarily"
Really bad plan. Testing for nemesis is hard even when you know it's there for them. We can do it, but that comes down to them taking our word for it or having them the exorcism to rip the parasite out into the open.

If nemesis is smart it'll immediately fein offense and distrust, asking for examinations that are fallible and time consuming at best. We could conceivably end up owing that time to active nemesis pawns if things go really poorly in areas beyond our control.
 
Really bad plan. Testing for nemesis is hard even when you know it's there for them. We can do it, but that comes down to them taking our word for it or having them the exorcism to rip the parasite out into the open.

If nemesis is smart it'll immediately fein offense and distrust, asking for examinations that are fallible and time consuming at best. We could conceivably end up owing that time to active nemesis pawns if things go really poorly in areas beyond our control.
Not my intention with this at all. It's to get Titania agree to get all four here, without letting them know why, with her agreeing in an "even if these people have come to me with errenous info, i still get cool stuff" sort of way [we know we are correct].

If you took away from my words that I want us to tell the posessed... anything, then please reread and tell me if that is still your takeaway, 'cuz in that case I worded that bit poorly and should edit it.
 
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Not my intention with this at all. It's to get Titania agree to get all four here, without letting them know why, with her agreeing in an "even if these people have come to me with errenous info, i still get cool stuff" sort of way [we know we are correct].

If you took away from my words that I want us to tell the posessed... anything, then please reread and tell me if that is still your takeaway, 'cuz in that case I worded that bit poorly and should edit it.
It's not about what we tell the possessed, it's about what she will. Titania wants to let the accused face their accusers, which is typically great but not ideal in these circumstances.

If she calls them here and tries the same thing she's doing now or imprisons them but enforces otherwise reasonable rights like not being subject to strange rituals or convicted on the word of someone who won't explain their sources then the fallback is traditional testing, which is shitty and time consuming.

From there it can go a lot of different ways, and with the clause you're adding about making things for the accused we risk the results of a bad detection roll putting us in the position of snubbing Summer or making something with at minimum input from nemesis.

We need to convince her to specifically summon all of them under false pretenses and be forcibly subject to a powerful ritual performed by a stranger without the opportunity to exercise their nominal rights. Not to just get them here.
 
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