Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Seriously, I cant imagine how you look at a situation where our goals are
1) Inform Titania about the Nemesis-touched without her thinking we have ulterior motives
2) Get Titania to accept help with the Nemesis-infected
2) Deliver Lily's Splendor without making Titania paranoid or feel threatened

And then decide that the best way of doing this is going Maximum Pomp and Self-Aggrandizement(TM).
Presenting ourself as a Queen interfering in another Queen's Court/Nation seems like literally the last thing we should want to do if we want said Queen to take our suggestions.
The easiest way would be to present ourself as a big deal, get a Favor for helping Titania snoop out the spies in her upper ranks and then use the won goodwill to get her to accept Lilly getting her Splendor.

Summer goes by bellyfeel and we do feel like an Archdevil, even if we dress up like we are on vacation.
Give her what she expects, it's an objectively good deal for her, with our part being supported by the Archive's word, and be done with it.

Queen or just Exalted are the options that play best with her expectations and preconceptions.
 
We're dealing with some topics here that aren't exactly lightweight. Spontaneity is all well and good, we should at least attempt to observe what they consider good manners in their city, but I'm not sure the mask of a mortal teenager poking nemesis and the summer court because of it is a good look either.
Ivy just told us thats how Summer rolls.

And thats something that appears supported by our look at Aurora's Court in Summer Knight, which was so casual that when Dresden arrived with an injured Elaine in tow, he didnt realize that Aurora was the Summer Lady for like several minutes. As opposed to Maeve's Court, which was a lot more overtly hierarchical.

Both Courts have their idiosyncrasies. Catering to them makes our job easier.
If we were going to Maeve's place, I'd be all for rocking the obvious markers of formality and status.
But not here, based on what we've been told.
 
The easiest way would be to present ourself as a big deal, get a Favor for helping Titania snoop out the spies in her upper ranks and then use the won goodwill to get her to accept Lilly getting her Splendor.

Summer goes by bellyfeel and we do feel like an Archdevil, even if we dress up like we are on vacation.
Give her what she expects, it's an objectively good deal for her, with our part being supported by the Archive's word, and be done with it.

Queen or just Exalted are the options that play best with her expectations and preconceptions.
Ivy essentially just implied the opposite of everything in this post.

And her description very much fits with Dresden's experience with Aurora's court in Summer Knight chapter 17.
Where Aurora answered the doors/elevator to her Court in a T-shirt and clay-streaked overalls, fed Dresden, and he didnt realize she was Summer Lady until well into their encounter.

I laid Elaine out, first thing, and tried to determine the extent of her injuries. Her forearms had been laced open in several places, but the worst injury was on her back, just inside of her left clavicle—a nasty puncture wound. The edges of it had puckered closed, but it hadn't stopped the bleeding completely, and if she was bleeding internally she could be done for.
I would need both hands to put pressure on the wound. No help was on the way. There was little I could do for her, so I picked her up and put her back into the Beetle, then jumped in myself and started the ignition.
"Hang in there, Elaine," I said. "I'm getting you to a hospital. You're going to be all right."
She shook her head. "No. No, too dangerous."
"You're hurt too badly for me to take care of it," I said. "Relax. I'll be with you."
She opened her eyes and said with sudden, surprising insistence, "No hospitals. They'll find me there."
I started up the car. "Dammit, Elaine. What else am I supposed to do?"
She closed her eyes again. Her voice grew fainter by the word. "Aurora. Summer. Rothchild Hotel. There's an elevator in back. She'll help."
"The Summer Lady?" I demanded. "You're joking, right?"
She didn't answer me. I looked over at her, and my heart all but stopped as I saw her head lolling, her body slumped. I jammed the Beetle into gear and jounced out onto the road.
"Rothchild Hotel," I muttered. "More faeries. Keen."
I got us to the hotel, one of the nice places along the shores of Lake Michigan. I skipped the huge valet-littered front drive and zipped the Beetle into the back parking lot, looking for some kind of service drive, or freight elevator, or maybe just a door with a sign on it that said, SUMMER COURT OF THE FAERIES THIS WAY.
I felt a slight warmth on my ear, and then Elidee zoomed out in front of my face and bumped up against the window. I rolled the window down a bit, and the tiny faerie streaked out ahead of my car, guiding me to the back of the lot. She stopped, circling an unobtrusive, unlit breezeway. Then she sped away, her task evidently completed.
I quickly parked the car and set the brake. Elaine may have been slender, but she had too much muscle to be light. She'd always had the build of a long-distance runner, long and lean and strong. She was only just conscious enough to make it a little easier for me to carry her, wrapping her arms around my neck and leaning her head on my shoulder. She trembled and felt cold. Doubt gnawed at me as I took her down the breezeway. Maybe I should have ignored her and gone to the hospital.
I kept going until it became too dark to see, and I started to put Elaine down so that I could take out my amulet to make some light. Just as I did, a pair of elevator doors swept open, spilling light and canned music onto the breezeway.
A girl stood in the doors. She was five nothing, a hundred and nothing, her sunny hair pulled back into a braid. She wore a blue T-shirt with white painter's overalls, and she was liberally splattered with flecks of what looked like clay. Her rosy mouth opened in dismay as she saw me standing there with Elaine.
"Oh, no!" she exclaimed. She beckoned me urgently. "Come on, get her inside. The Lady can see to her."

My arms and shoulders had begun to burn with the effort of supporting Elaine, so I didn't waste time talking. I shuffled forward into the elevator and leaned against the back wall with a wheeze. The girl closed the elevator doors, took a key from her overalls pocket, and inserted it into a solitary keyhole where you would expect a bunch of buttons to be. The elevator gave a little lurch and started up.
"What happened to Ela?" the girl asked me. She looked from me to Elaine and chewed on one lip.
Ela? "Beats me. I found her like this in my car. She told me to bring her here."
"Oh. Oh, God," the girl said. She looked at me again. "You're with Winter, aren't you?"
I frowned. "How did you know?"
She shrugged. "It shows."
"I'm with Winter for now. But it's a one-shot deal. Think of me as a free agent."
"Perhaps. But an agent of Winter all the same. Are you sure you want to be here?"
"No," I said. "But I'm sure I'm not leaving Elaine until I'm convinced she's in good hands."
The girl frowned. "Oh."
"Can't this thing go any faster?" My shoulders burned, my back ached, my bruises were complaining, and I could feel Elaine's breathing growing weaker. I had to fight not to scream in sheer frustration. I wished there had been a bank of buttons to push, just so that I could have slammed the right button a bunch of times in a senseless effort to speed up the elevator.
The doors opened a geological epoch later, onto a scene as incongruous as a gorilla in a garter belt.
The elevator had taken us to what could only have been the roof of the hotel, assuming the roof opened up onto a section of rain forest in Borneo. Trees and greenery grew so thick that I couldn't see the edge of the roof, and though I could hear the nighttime noises of Chicago, the sounds were vague in the distance and could almost not be heard over the buzz of locusts and the chittering of some kind of animal I did not recognize. Wind rustled the forest around me, and silver moonlight, brighter than I would have thought possible, gave everything an eerie, surreal beauty.
"I'm so glad I was going out for more clay just then. This way," the girl said, and started off on a trail through the forest. I followed as quickly as I could, puffing hard to keep holding Elaine. It wasn't a long walk. The trail wound back and forth and then opened onto a grassy glade.

I stopped and looked around. No, not a glade. More like a garden. A pool rested at its center, still water reflecting the moon overhead. Benches and stones of a good size for sitting on were strewn around the landscape. Statuary, most of it marble and of human subjects, stood here and there, often framed by flowers or placed between young trees. On the far side of the pool stood what at first glance I took to be a gnarled tree. It wasn't. It was a throne, a throne of living wood, its trunk grown into the correct shape, branches and leaves spreading above it in stately elegance, roots spreading and anchoring it in the earth.
People stood here and there. A paint-spattered young man worked furiously on some sort of portrait, his face set in concentration. A tall man, his ageless beauty and pale hair marking him as one of the Sidhe, stood in the posture of a teacher beside a slender girl, who was drawing back a bow, aiming at a target of bundled branches. On the far side of the glade, smoke rose from stones piled into the shape of an oven or a forge, and a broad-chested man, shirtless, bearded, heavy-browed and fierce-looking, stood on the other side of it, wielding a smith's hammer in regular rhythm. He stepped away from the forge, a glowing-hot blade gripped in a set of tongs, and dunked it into a trough of silvery water.

When I got a better look at him, I understood what he was. Steam rose in a cloud over his heavy, equine forelegs, then over his human belly and broad chest, and the centaur stamped a rear hoof impatiently, muttering under his breath, while colored lights played back and forth in the water of the trough. Haunting pipe music, sad and lovely, drifted through the glade from a young woman, mortal, sitting with a set of reed pipes, playing with her eyes closed.
"Where is she?" I demanded. "Where is the Lady?"
The centaur's head snapped around, and he snarled in a sudden, harsh basso. He took up his hammer again, whipped it in a quick circle, and started toward me at a slow canter, Clydesdale-sized hooves striking the ground with dull thumps. "Winterbound? Here? It cannot be borne."
I tensed, holding Elaine a little closer, and my heart lurched into a higher gear. The centaur was huge and looked ready to kill. "Whoa, there, big fella. I'm not looking for trouble."
The centaur bared his teeth at me and spoke, his deep voice filled with outrage. "There you stand with our Emissary's blood on your hands and expect us to believe you?"
The tall Sidhe man barked, "Korrick, hold."
The centaur drew up short, rearing onto his hind legs and kicking at the air with heavy hooves. "My lord Talos," he growled in frustration. "This arrogance cannot be tolerated."
"Peace," the Sidhe lord said.
"But my lord—"
The Sidhe lord stepped between me and the centaur, his back to me. He wore close-fit trousers of dark green and a loose shirt of white linen. The Sidhe lord said nothing, and I couldn't see his expression, but the centaur's face reddened, then blanched. He bowed his head, a stiff gesture, and then walked back over to his forge, hooves striking the ground in sharp, angry motions.
The Sidhe—Talos, I presumed—turned back to me and regarded me with calm, feline eyes the color of a summer sky. He had the pale hair of the Sidhe, hanging in a straight, fine sheet to brush his shoulders. There was a quality of quiet confidence in his features, of relaxed strength, and the sense of him was somehow less alien than that of most of the Sidhe I had encountered. "I hope you will not judge Korrick too harshly, sir. You are, I take it, Harry Dresden?"
"If I'm not, he's going to be upset with me when he catches me running around in his underpants."
Talos smiled. The expression came easily to his features. "Then I grant you passport and license in agreement with the Accords. I am Talos, Lord Marshal of the Summer Court."
"Yeah, that's great, nice to meet you," I said. "Hey, do you think you could help me save this woman's life now?"
The Sidhe's smile faded. "I will do what I can." He glanced to the side and gestured with a roll of his wrist.
The garden flew into activity. A cloud of pixies darted through the air, bearing stalks of green plants and broad, soft leaves. They piled them into a soft-looking mound near the side of the pool. Talos looked at me for permission and then gently took Elaine's weight into his arms. My shoulders and biceps all but screamed in relief. The Sidhe lord carried Elaine to the bed of leaves and laid her down upon it. He touched her throat and then her brow with one hand, his eyes closing.
"Weak," he said quietly. "And cold. But she has strength left in her. She will be all right for a little while."
"No offense, but your people have some odd notions about time. Go get your Lady. She needs to see to Elaine now."
Talos regarded me with that same quiet, opaque expression. "She will be here when she will be here. I cannot hurry the sunrise, nor the Lady."
I started to tell him where he could stick his sunrise, but I bit back the words and tried to take out some frustration by clenching my fists. My knuckles popped.
A hand touched my arm, and the girl, the sculptor from the elevator, said, "Please, sir. Let me get you something to drink, or some food. Mortal food, I mean. I wouldn't offer the other kind."
"Like hell," I said. "Not until Elaine is taken care of."
From where he knelt beside Elaine, Talos lifted both eyebrows, but he shrugged his shoulders. "As you wish." He rested his fingertips lightly on either side of her face and bowed his head. "My skills are rather limited. I can at least assure that she loses no ground."
There was a quiet surge of energy, something as gentle and strong as the weight of a wave lifting you off your feet. Elaine suddenly took a deep breath, and color came back into her cheeks. She blinked her eyes open for a moment, then sighed and closed them again.
"Talos can sustain her for a time," the girl said. "Until the Lady decides. He has been Ela's guardian and friend for several years." She tugged at my arm. "Please, take something to eat. You'll make us poor hosts if you do not."
My stomach growled again, and my throat started to complain after all the hard breathing I'd been doing. I exhaled through my nose and nodded to the girl, who led me to one of the benches not far away and pulled a plastic Coleman cooler from underneath it. She rummaged inside, then tossed me a cold can of Coke, a small bag of potato chips, and a long hoagie. None of them held any of the subtle, quivering lure of faerie fare.
"Best I can do for now," she said. "Turkey sub sound all right?"
"Marry me," I responded, tore into the food with fervor, and spent a couple of minutes indulging in one of the purest primal pleasures. Eating. Food never tastes so good as when you are starving, and Talos had granted me safe passport under the Accords, so I wasn't worried about any drugs in it.

While I ate, the girl drew a short stand over to her, on which was a clay bust of a young woman, parts of it still rough, still marked with the tracks of her fingers. She dipped them into a bowl of water attached to the stand and started working on the bust.
"What happened to her?" she asked.
"Hell if I know," I said between bites. "She was in my car like that. Wanted me to bring her here."
"Why did you?" She flushed. "I mean, you're working for Summer's enemies. Right?"
"Yeah. But it doesn't mean I'm friendly with them." I shook my head, washed down a half-chewed bite with a long drink of Coke. Heaven. I ate for a moment more and then frowned at the bust she was working on. The face seemed familiar. I studied it a bit, then asked, "Is that Lily?"
The girl blinked at me. "You know her?"
"Of her," I said. "She's a changeling, isn't she?"
The girl nodded. "Winter, but she hasn't chosen to go over to them. She was under Ronald's protection, and she models for us sometimes." She gestured vaguely toward the young man who was painting intently. "See, there are a few other pieces she modeled for around here."
I looked around the garden and picked out a pair of statues among all the rest. Both were nudes of white marble. One of them depicted the girl in a tiptoe stretch, arms over her head, body arched prettily. The other showed her kneeling, looking at something cupped in her hands, her expression one of quiet sadness. "Seems like she's well liked."
The girl nodded. "She's very gentle, very sweet."
"Very missing," I said.
She frowned. "Missing?"
"Yeah. Her roommate asked me to see if I could find her. Have you seen her in the past couple of days?"
"She hasn't been here to model, and I've never seen her anywhere but here. I'm sorry."
"Worth a shot," I said.
"Why are you looking for her?"
"I told you. Her roommate asked for my help. I gave it." Which was mostly true. Technically, I suppose, I'd sold it. I got the uneasy feeling that I might start feeling too guilty over the cash Meryl had given me to spend it. "I'm a tad busy this week, but I'll do what I can."
The girl's brow furrowed as she worked at the bust. "You're not like anyone else I've ever met who was working for Winter. Mab usually likes her agents … colder, I think. Hungrier. More cruel."
I shrugged. "She wanted someone to find a killer. I've had some experience."
She nodded. "Still, you seem like a decent enough person. It makes me sad to think that you've gotten entangled in Winter's snares."
I stopped chewing and looked up at her, hard. "Oh, Hell's bells."
She looked at me and lifted an eyebrow. "Hmm?"
I put the sandwich down and said, "You're her. You're the Summer Lady."
The shadow of a smile touched the girl's lips, and she bowed her head toward me. Her blond hair cleared out to Sidhe white, her fingers and limbs suddenly seemed slightly longer, and her features became almost identical to Maeve's, eyes vertically slitted and almost violently green. She still wore the coveralls and blue T-shirt, and was still liberally covered in flecks of clay, though. They stood out in sharp contrast to her fair skin and pale hair.
"Call me Aurora," she said. "It's a little easier for everyone."
"Uh, right," I said. I finished the bite I was on and said, "So are you going to stop playing games with me and help Elaine, Aurora?"
She glanced over at Elaine, lying on the ground, and her expression grew troubled. "That depends."
My teeth clenched, and I said in a falsely pleasant voice, "On what?"
She turned her calm, inhuman eyes to me. "On you."
Thats not the full chapter, but you can look the rest up yourself.
 
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Ivy just told us thats how Summer rolls.

And thats something that appears supported by our look at Aurora's Court in Summer Knight, which was so casual that when Dresden arrived with an injured Elaine in tow, he didnt realize that Aurora was the Summer Lady for like several minutes. As opposed to Maeve's Court, which was a lot more overtly hierarchical.

Both Courts have their idiosyncrasies. Catering to them makes our job easier.
If we were going to Maeve's place, I'd be all for rocking the obvious markers of formality and status.
But not here, based on what we've been told.
Ivy just told us that their social conventions place some value on spontaneity, but that's not the same thing as it being their overriding concern.

The summer fey aren't calculating like winter is, but they do plan and weigh things in their own way. There's also some potential benefit from actually being received and recognized as a power by people who already matter. The FCF doesn't need acknowledgement to function, but it does help diplomatically. Walking in under the aegis of the Archive with business this serious lends some of that weight to Molly as an introduction.

There's also the bit Ivy mentioned about knights wearing signs of their ambitions that it's on the observer to notice.

The question isn't just what Molly is, but what she's becoming and wants to be.

Having said all that, it doesn't necessarily mean we should go in full Queen mode with no nuances. I do think it suggests we shouldn't go in presenting the unalloyed image of a mortal teenager though.
 
Ivy just told us that their social conventions place some value on spontaneity, but that's not the same thing as it being their overriding concern.

The summer fey aren't calculating like winter is, but they do plan and weigh things in their own way. There's also some potential benefit from actually being received and recognized as a power by people who already matter. The FCF doesn't need acknowledgement to function, but it does help diplomatically. Walking in under the aegis of the Archive with business this serious lends some of that weight to Molly as an introduction.

There's also the bit Ivy mentioned about knights wearing signs of their ambitions that it's on the observer to notice.

The question isn't just what Molly is, but what she's becoming and wants to be.

Having said all that, it doesn't necessarily mean we should go in full Queen mode with no nuances. I do think it suggests we shouldn't go in presenting the unalloyed image of a mortal teenager though.
Molly reads as a creature of supernatural puissance and she hasnt actually invested in any charms to hide it.
The Fae are creatures of magic; they recognize and respond to that instinctively.

If you read the Summer Knight quote I provided, you'll notice that the Summer Fae with a speaking role in that chapter immediately recognized Dresden as Winterbound/Winter's Emissary, even without knowing who he was.
"Oh. Oh, God," the girl said. She looked at me again. "You're with Winter, aren't you?"
I frowned. "How did you know?"
She shrugged. "It shows."
"Where is she?" I demanded. "Where is the Lady?"
The centaur's head snapped around, and he snarled in a sudden, harsh basso. He took up his hammer again, whipped it in a quick circle, and started toward me at a slow canter, Clydesdale-sized hooves striking the ground with dull thumps. "Winterbound? Here? It cannot be borne."
It really was that obvious, and he wasnt anything as overt as Molly is.
You dont have to flaunt that sort of power; they recognize that like the sun in the sky.

What we're being asked is how we present ourselves.
And given our goals here, being careful to avoid giving the formal impression of political interference or staking out claims to authority that might stoke paranoia in our host (we're not the Archive, we're not recognized as a neutral) helps our case.
 
Ivy essentially just implied the opposite of everything in this post.

And her description very much fits with Dresden's experience with Aurora's court in Summer Knight chapter 17.
Where Aurora answered the doors/elevator to her Court in a T-shirt and clay-streaked overalls, fed Dresden, and he didnt realize she was Summer Lady until well into their encounter.
Yes, I get that.

But I think Molly Carpenter, Infernal Exalted with an aura that makes ancient monsters hesitate and coming to bring mysterious knowledge, can't be playing that role.
It would look like bad deception or mockery.

Better to present ourselves the way they'd expect of something like us.
 
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Yes, I get that.

But I think Molly Carpenter, Infernal Exalted with an aura that makes ancient monsters hesitate and coming to bring mysterious knowledge, can't be play that role.
It would look like bad deception or mockery.

Better to present ourselves the way they'd expect of something like us.
Of course she can.

Odin gets different responses based on whether he shows up as the business-suited Donar Vadderung, or the armed and armored All-Father or as Kris Kringle in his red coat. Even Kringle gets different responses depending on whether he is dressed up for Christmas, or if he's riding with the Wild Hunt.

Mother Summer is described as dressing in a good dress and apron.
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"You can be so overly dramatic, betimes," complained an old woman's voice, as gentle and sweet as Mother Winter's was unpleasant. She came into the house a moment later, a grandmotherly matron dressed in a simple dress with a green apron. Her long hair, silver-white and thinning, was done up in a small, neat bun. She moved with the slightly stiff, bustling energy of an active senior, and if her green eyes were framed by crow's-feet, they were bright and sharp. Mother Summer carried a basket in one arm filled with cuttings from what must have been a late-season herb garden, and as I watched, she entered, muttered a word, and a dozen tiny whirlwinds cleaned thick layers of soot from the many-paned windows scattered around the cottage, flooding it with more warm light. "We'll need a new cleaver now."
And yet noone fails to recognize who she is.
Power is Power. Creatures of magic recognize power that isnt explicitly shielded beyond their recognizance..

What changes in how we present ourselves, is how we are forcing them to respond to us.

The Fae, and supernatural politicians, value appearances very much.
A casual approach allows them the face-saving option of pretending that the political and public relations issues with accepting help/direction from another Power dont exist.

If Molly Carpenter, Mortal Woman(TM) gets into an argument with someone, or stabs them, its a private matter.
If she's attacked in Summer, its a debt that Summer must repay, but a personal one.
If she does them a service, its a personal service.

The Queen of Sanctuary coming under attack, is a geopolitical event and potentially cause for war.
Her offering Summer a service becomes something geopolitical in scope that might affect the course of supernatural politics.
That sort of entanglement is such that they might think it better to let people die than


To give a different example, see Molly's meeting with Merlin and his entourage.
She presented herself as a mortal, not as a sovereign of a nationstate thats got at least as much power as the White Council; thats why the Merlin was willing to do things like ask if he could cast a divination spell on her.

If she had presented as Queen/Empress of Sanctuary, that meeting would have been untenable.
The negotiations would have been untenable. The guarantees would have been untenable.
The protocols and political considerations would have elimintated a lot of avenues for discourse.



Or hell, see Lily.
Do you think Lily would have talked about her issues to the Queen/Empress of Sanctuary? Opened up to her?
Titania certainly wont, not to someone presenting like that.


In attempting to play Big Cheese, you abandon most of the advantages that have allowed Molly to subvert or short circuit local expectations since she Exalted.
Thats just a self-inflicted injury.
 
Odin gets different responses based on whether he shows up as the business-suited Donar Vadderung, or the armed and armored All-Father or as Kris Kringle in his red coat. Even Kringle gets different responses depending on whether he is dressed up for Christmas, or if he's riding with the Wild Hunt.
Odin is a god with different Mantles, at some level Odin, the businessman and Santa are different people, or at least different aspects of himself.

We are always Molly.
 
If showing up in T-shirt and jeans were the best option, why would Ivy have even made the offer? We're already dressed that way, after all.
 
Odin is a god with different Mantles, at some level Odin, the businessman and Santa are different people, or at least different aspects of himself.
We are always Molly.
I disagree. You personally dont change, but who you choose to represent can.

Dresden is always Dresden, but even before he became Winter Knight, Dresden, the Private Investigator representing a client is different from Dresden, White Council wizard and Dresden, Winter Emissary.
The Fae are sensitive to those nuances.



Furthermore, I will also point out that going overtly as Queen of Sanctuary kinda defeats the purpose of sending Ivy to act as
the carrier for the information on the Nemesis agents.
We might as well be broadcasting that we had something to do with it.


Going as Exalted is worse, because we have no idea how the broader Summer Court and its Queen remembers the Exalted.
 
If showing up in T-shirt and jeans were the best option, why would Ivy have even made the offer? We're already dressed that way, after all.
Because its our choice, not hers. She's neutral.
Bad decisions can still be our choice, as long as they dont reflect on the Archive.

Note that she offered it after telling us how the Summer Court is like.
 
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[X] As Molly Carpenter, jeans and a T-shirt, you are above all else human
-[x]Get a sunflower to wear to symbolize the ambition of a kinder world than this.
 
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-[x]Get a sunflower for your hair or arm or something to symbolize the ambition of a kinder world than this.
1)We dont speak the language of flowers, nor do we know how Summer interprets such things.
Thats just a recipe for....misunderstandings.

2) Suggesting major political changes at the same time you want to give the Summer Lady a gift that might impact Summer's balance of power, is going to make Titania's paranoia worse, not decrease it.

3) Its currently winter in Chicago anyway.
No sunflowers.
 
1)We dont speak the language of flowers, nor do we know how Summer interprets such things.
Thats just a recipe for....misunderstandings.

2) Suggesting major political changes at the same time you want to give the Summer Lady a gift that might impact Summer's balance of power, is going to make Titania's paranoia worse, not decrease it.

3) Its currently winter in Chicago anyway.
No sunflowers.
Fair enough.

[X] As Molly Carpenter, jeans and a T-shirt, you are above all else human
 
Molly reads as a creature of supernatural puissance and she hasnt actually invested in any charms to hide it.
The Fae are creatures of magic; they recognize and respond to that instinctively.

If you read the Summer Knight quote I provided, you'll notice that the Summer Fae with a speaking role in that chapter immediately recognized Dresden as Winterbound/Winter's Emissary, even without knowing who he was.

It really was that obvious, and he wasnt anything as overt as Molly is.
You dont have to flaunt that sort of power; they recognize that like the sun in the sky.

What we're being asked is how we present ourselves.
And given our goals here, being careful to avoid giving the formal impression of political interference or staking out claims to authority that might stoke paranoia in our host (we're not the Archive, we're not recognized as a neutral) helps our case.
You don't need to remind me that they have supernatural senses. Not acknowledging that in our presentation by going full mortal seems unwise in its own way.

I think @Kemayo had the right idea about signifiers. Maybe instead of using the Archive's fashion we should slip off to the FCF and get some business wear from there. Add a few feathers from alien birds,
Maybe a hint from each city somewhere if we can do it without making something too busy.

Because you're failing to address the other parts of my post. This is as much about what Molly wants to become as what she actually is, and there are benefits to being acknowledged as more than her mortal identity to go with the costs.

A balance between the two is the sort of riddle the fey love and treats this as something of real importance. Managing Titania's reaction will be a delicate task either way, but we're paying a premium for help with exactly that. We don't need or benefit from minimizing Molly when she's in the process of putting herself under extraordinary scrutiny anyway.
 
None of your examples really fit. Black magic is an established bias and what we're doing isn't the same. The blood curse and Kemmler's bullshit were high blunt instruments that either didn't care about casualties or reveled in causing as many as possible.

Comparing that to killing powerful people eaters is ridiculous. These guys do the same or worse all the time and work with others who do the same.

Mab made deals with the denarians of all people, and her only true beef was that they messed with her directly. We're nowhere near as bad as the people any one of the communicative supernatural powers call friends.

Morgan was looking for the loosest excuse to kill Dresden. The council has a whole thing about how only they are allowed to summon and bind things, but get squirrely about people they think are irresponsible doing it.

There's a reason this didn't go any further than Harry's use of necromancy on a T-Rex did.


I get it, you don't like the idea. That's fine, but don't try to sell the idea that people who eat humans for breakfast, torture them for fun, or take money to kill things of all stripes are going to get upset that our enchanting isn't vegan.


I think the distinction matters, but isn't necessarily a good one. It makes you a more willing killer of what you dehumanize, even if it's very human in most ways, but the council won't prosecute you for magic crimes against them.

In a way the magic corruption us helpful here, because most of them have been programming themselves with the idea that if it isn't human and you aren't excessive enough to disturb your peers you can kill or exploit supernaturals.
In fairness it's kinda needed to be able to kill them even if it's somewhat hypocritical.
 
I think I'll change my vote, because there is some merit to what Uju is saying. How about this:

[] As all of them at once, reflected in the eyes of beholder: jeans a t-shirt, yes, but a shirt of finest tokatli spider silk and in a latest fashion trend of the city of fountains, a pait of emerald earrings in the shape of your mark blazing in your ears, and your sword on your belt
-[] Roll occult excellency to see how fashion, math, poetry and spiders are similar.

?

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[X] As Molly Carpenter, jeans and a T-shirt, you are above all else human




RATIONALE
1)Ivy/The Archive just told us that Summer value spontaneity, or at least the appearance of spontaneity, even among guests.
Ergo, this is a situation where showing up in jeans and T-shirt actually is setting appropriate, and something they will actually appreciate as being in theme.

This makes our life, and this meeting, easier. On both sides.


2) This has a direct bearing on resolving the Lily's Splendor thing.

If we present ourselves in this matter primarily as Molly Carpenter, mortal woman?
Giving a gift to the Lady of Summer becomes one of those things that mortals sometimes do if they like you. Offering to exorcise a bunch of people of Nemesis influence becomes a personal favor, not a nationstate one.

And its easier, or at least, more face-saving, for Titania to accept help as coming with no strings

The Queen of Sanctuary OTOH? Is a major political entity, or soon will be.
And her trying to give a magic item to the Lady of Summer is a matter where an external power is interfering in the internal political matters of Summer.

That becomes Major Politics, and makes it much harder to get Lily's splendor to her without adverse repercussions for us or for her.
Counter-arguments:
1) We need to have some manner of authority behind us in order to sell the exorcism
2) As a queen of our own realm, and a great one at that, we are much less of a threat in terms of trying to exploit Lily for our own gain
 
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