fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Getting the enemy to destroy their own base is one of life's little joys. Fairly sure that we can stunt what exactly is destroyed.
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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
Not that I know.
In Kindred, yes, but it appears to all be the same Chinese that kueijin, shen and the Celestial Bureaucracy share.
In Werewolf, the spirits they deal with largely dont have literacy as a priority.
Mage I dont know enough about to give you an honest answer.
Mages do their own writing, as far as I know, but I dont know about the spirits that interact with them.
I havent really read the spirit books in detail.
[X] Plan Speak Fervently and Have Reliable Defence
-[X] Molly: 28 XP
--[X] Alertness 1: 3xp
--[X] Awareness 1: 3xp
--[X] Counter-Conceptual Interposition: 16 XP
--[X] Source Code Compliance Protocol: 4 XP
--[X] Hear Prayers: 2 XP
-[X] Lydia: 7 XP
--[X] Mo Kung/Demon Fighter (•) (Training Discount): 2xp
--[X] Willpower 6: 5 XP
-[X] Molly: 28 XP
--[X] Alertness 1: 3xp
--[X] Awareness 1: 3xp
--[X] Counter-Conceptual Interposition: 16 XP
--[X] Source Code Compliance Protocol: 4 XP
--[X] Hear Prayers: 2 XP
-[X] Lydia: 7 XP
--[X] Mo Kung/Demon Fighter (•) (Training Discount): 2xp
--[X] Willpower 6: 5 XP
Based on what? Someone doing damage to us would reasonably leave us at high wounded penalties for a while unless they kill us outright very quickly.
And health boxes you don't fill aren't wasted, keeping them clean keeps us alive and avoids penalties that could shift the course of the fight.
That's what SBS does per GM ruling, and the scenario you described is how the Solar Accuracy Without Distance charm works.
CCI is the most mote tap resistant of the perfects because it can just go "no more attacks from that guy work this turn".
Not using essence is an advantage of the 1UP charm, but it doesn't make it a patch for being able to stop damage in the first place.
slenderman1942
Jungle Tyrant
- Location
- Home
Still a little unclear, but are we able to puzzle out the existence of heretical charms? Because our crafting skills have been a major boom, and figuring out Unsurpassed Devil craft would be so useful since we're at E3, and will be at E4 soon. Emerald Angel Unfurling would also be a major boon if we can get both halves of that since we're going to be getting involved with the fae and outsiders, since both of those have a penchant for unwanted shaping
Kemayo
A Certain Cheerful Tone Of Voice
- Location
- Missouri
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Wow and people aren't voting for that? Seems to me that the best protection is killing the enemy. Still very few of our fights last many rounds. A single one up is plenty.
A real problem with most perfects is paranoia. You have to spend on the charm before you know how dangerous the attack is and I worry that this thread is going to constantly drain us dry defending against the shadows in our own minds.
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Silvereagle21
Soaring through the Sky
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[X] Plan Speak Softly and Be a Big Stick v.2
If the point was to communicate with just spirits they come across? We have Source Code for that as a 1-dot charm.
Thats a charm that makes everyone speak a proto-language and understand each other for free. Sure, it will make them bleed from the eyes if you dont spend Essence to prevent it, but its an option.
Hell-Walker is a 3-dot charm we're paying 12xp for, in part for the ability to travel across the Gauntlet, and in part for this.
It kinda has to be doing more than what the 1-dot charm does in this setting.
IMO.
I'd have fewer issues if it was canon WoD, where at least some spirits allegedly have distinct languages of their own in some of the gamelines. But there isnt that narrative backing for it in DF and Exalted.
EDIT
But thats just my two cents.
You can always vote for me
More seriously, I have significant qualms about the idea of sending our PC to a city with a rift in reality and no way of independently guaranteeing her ability to enter or exit one of those things. Especially in the light of us knowing that some supernaturals can artificially make it harder to get through if you're on the other side.
Never mind the fact that people seem to be ignoring that Lydia's only current shaping defense is Wits 4 + Occult 1.
Which is...suboptimal.
At best.
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Not making the spirit bleed or scare the daylights out of them by speaking Primordial is valuable if you do not either know the spirit very well or want to have a strictly intimidation based relationship with them. The major part of the charm is being able to cross the Gauntlet though.
[X]Plan Hell in Vegas
This seems like a case where we have to take a short term xp loss to deal with the immediate issues, as tempting as the many plans that buff our long term prospects are.
This seems like a case where we have to take a short term xp loss to deal with the immediate issues, as tempting as the many plans that buff our long term prospects are.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
There is a ton of good stuff I want, Charms that do great things, enhanced attributes and toughness, etc., but I think y'all are overlooking the necessity of being able to move about undetected in hostile territory.
It's one thing to move around an area when we only need to avoid being noticed by muggles. It's another thing entirely when you're surrounded by hostile supernatural creatures, many of whom can sense your massive, creepy Infernal aura from the other side of the city. And its even worse when those beings are your enemies and have probably already circulated your physical description throughout their ranks.
Las Vegas is a longtime stronghold for the Reds, and there is an allied heavy hitter who basically owns the supernatural side of the city. There is no telling exactly what sort of muggle resources they can call on, but it's a solid bet the local law enforcement, organized crime, and tourist industry is thoroughly compromised, to the point where being noticed as Molly Carpenter even once means we won't be able to hide the rest of the time we're in the city, will probably be tracked, and likely attacked when we aren't ready for a fight.
Vegas, actually that entire region of the country, is also Skinwalker territory. If regular supernaturals can detect us from across a city, a legit Skinwalker can probably do it from across a state or two.
BMI will let us move around the city while receiving no more scrutiny than any other muggle tourist. We can swap identities at will as needed and hide our presence from all the gribblies that would otherwise be able to detect us without even trying.
Don't forget what happened when we used RVD to travel to Mexico. Just passing through stirred up a metric shit ton of spiritual turbulence.
[X] Plan What Happens in Vegas Stays In Vegas
-[X] Molly:
--[X] Alertness 2: 5 XP
--[X] Awareness 1: 3 XP
--[X] Black Mirror Incarnation: 20 XP
-[X] Lydia:
--[X] Mo Kung/Demon Fighter 1: Steelskin(Training Discount): 2 XP
--[X] Willpower 6: 5 XP
-[X] OTHER: Hand over Jade Talisman/Essence Battery to Lydia, with caveat that we might borrow it later to see if we can duplicate it
It's one thing to move around an area when we only need to avoid being noticed by muggles. It's another thing entirely when you're surrounded by hostile supernatural creatures, many of whom can sense your massive, creepy Infernal aura from the other side of the city. And its even worse when those beings are your enemies and have probably already circulated your physical description throughout their ranks.
Las Vegas is a longtime stronghold for the Reds, and there is an allied heavy hitter who basically owns the supernatural side of the city. There is no telling exactly what sort of muggle resources they can call on, but it's a solid bet the local law enforcement, organized crime, and tourist industry is thoroughly compromised, to the point where being noticed as Molly Carpenter even once means we won't be able to hide the rest of the time we're in the city, will probably be tracked, and likely attacked when we aren't ready for a fight.
Vegas, actually that entire region of the country, is also Skinwalker territory. If regular supernaturals can detect us from across a city, a legit Skinwalker can probably do it from across a state or two.
BMI will let us move around the city while receiving no more scrutiny than any other muggle tourist. We can swap identities at will as needed and hide our presence from all the gribblies that would otherwise be able to detect us without even trying.
Don't forget what happened when we used RVD to travel to Mexico. Just passing through stirred up a metric shit ton of spiritual turbulence.
[X] Plan What Happens in Vegas Stays In Vegas
-[X] Molly:
--[X] Alertness 2: 5 XP
--[X] Awareness 1: 3 XP
--[X] Black Mirror Incarnation: 20 XP
-[X] Lydia:
--[X] Mo Kung/Demon Fighter 1: Steelskin(Training Discount): 2 XP
--[X] Willpower 6: 5 XP
-[X] OTHER: Hand over Jade Talisman/Essence Battery to Lydia, with caveat that we might borrow it later to see if we can duplicate it
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Digging through text, it seems that the charm is mostly lifted from W20 book. It has a level 1 theurge gift with the following description:
At several points of the books it indicates that this (or another similar gift) is the only way to talk to spirits. You can't learn spirit language via merits.
The same book has a level 2 Homid gift for comparison:
Also, now that I think of it, language =/= writing system. The same language can have multiple writing systems. Understanding language does not imply understanding the writing system.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Despite the plan name I don't see anything specialized for dealing with Vegas. Plan gaining influence and Plan Stats and Followers at least have ways of spreading influence and bribery in Vegas. Our mission is mostly diplomatic in nature.
Point of correction:
No it isnt. I've read the scenario from which this is drawn. The Dragon is a Red Court vampire, but he works exclusively for the Sin-Eater and the City of Las Vegas, noone else. He is not allied to the Red Court or the White Council or anyone else, nor does he act in the interests of anyone else.
He tries to run Vegas a lot like Cold War Austria or Switzerland.
What I am worried about is the fact that there's an Outsider agent there and he doesnt appear to be responding to messages.
Which suggests he may be under some sort of duress.
Or dead.
What your plan appears to be ignoring, IMO?
Is the fact that we've been explicitly told there's a rift there. Thats a Chekhov's Gun loaded and cocked on the mantelpiece.
The coming events are likely to require the ability to go through it, return, and make sure its locked properly.
And Molly currently cant do any of that.
And Lydia cant do it safely, not if the other side of that rift is as dangerous as is suggested.
See thats WoD.
Where the spirits dont appear to care overmuch about literacy, and information is orally preserved.
Literacy is a Rank 3 gift called Speech of All Things, and covers both mortal languages and spirit languages:
[X] Plan What Happens in Vegas Stays In Vegas
My problem with BMI is that it specifically works on "all five senses", which (last I counted) doesn't include whatever supernatural sense lets people feel our ominous devil aura. Does it work for the other senses as well, @DragonParadox ?
My problem with BMI is that it specifically works on "all five senses", which (last I counted) doesn't include whatever supernatural sense lets people feel our ominous devil aura. Does it work for the other senses as well, @DragonParadox ?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
At least it's a plan that gives us something useful rather than just being based on paranoia.
[X] Plan What Happens in Vegas Stays In Vegas
-[X] Molly:
--[X] Alertness 2: 5 XP
--[X] Awareness 1: 3 XP
--[X] Black Mirror Incarnation: 20 XP
-[X] Lydia:
--[X] Mo Kung/Demon Fighter 1: Steelskin(Training Discount): 2 XP
--[X] Willpower 6: 5 XP
-[X] OTHER: Hand over Jade Talisman/Essence Battery to Lydia, with caveat that we might borrow it later to see if we can duplicate it
[X] Plan Speak Fervently and Have a security blanket that synergies with our current defenses
-[X] Molly: 28 XP
--[X] Alertness 1: 3xp
--[X] Awareness 1: 3xp
--[X] The City Still Stands 15 xp
--[X] Source Code Compliance Protocol: 4 XP
--[X] Hear Prayers: 2 XP
--[x]Save 1 xp
-[X] Lydia: 7 XP
--[X] Mo Kung/Demon Fighter (•) (Training Discount): 2xp
--[X] Willpower 6: 5 XP
[X]Plan gaining influence
-[X]Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••) (20 XP)
-[X]Ox Body x2 (6 XP)
-[X]Prayer Eating (•) (2 XP)
--[X] Lydia: 7 XP
-[X] Mo Kung/Demon Fighter (•) (Training Discount): 2xp
-[X] Willpower 6: 5 XP
[X]Yzarc
[X] Plan What Happens in Vegas Stays In Vegas
-[X] Molly:
--[X] Alertness 2: 5 XP
--[X] Awareness 1: 3 XP
--[X] Black Mirror Incarnation: 20 XP
-[X] Lydia:
--[X] Mo Kung/Demon Fighter 1: Steelskin(Training Discount): 2 XP
--[X] Willpower 6: 5 XP
-[X] OTHER: Hand over Jade Talisman/Essence Battery to Lydia, with caveat that we might borrow it later to see if we can duplicate it
[X] Plan Speak Fervently and Have a security blanket that synergies with our current defenses
-[X] Molly: 28 XP
--[X] Alertness 1: 3xp
--[X] Awareness 1: 3xp
--[X] The City Still Stands 15 xp
--[X] Source Code Compliance Protocol: 4 XP
--[X] Hear Prayers: 2 XP
--[x]Save 1 xp
-[X] Lydia: 7 XP
--[X] Mo Kung/Demon Fighter (•) (Training Discount): 2xp
--[X] Willpower 6: 5 XP
[X]Plan gaining influence
-[X]Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••) (20 XP)
-[X]Ox Body x2 (6 XP)
-[X]Prayer Eating (•) (2 XP)
--[X] Lydia: 7 XP
-[X] Mo Kung/Demon Fighter (•) (Training Discount): 2xp
-[X] Willpower 6: 5 XP
[X]Yzarc
Awareness 1, Alertness 1, Hell Walker Technique.
I have enough pattern recognition to realize that once the QM referenced the scenario in question, and the fact that there's a rift to the Outside, that we are going to have to deal with it.
Hence the choice of charms.
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We're not going to Vegas to take over the city.
We're going to apprehend a fugitive, and hopefully prevent the city from blowing up in our wake.
We have no need to spread influence or bribery in Vegas, and trying to do so would actively make enemies with the Sin-Eater who runs the place.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
DP confirmed a while back that it hides our presence from pretty much everything short of a Wizard's Sight, and even that would require someone to specifically examine us with it. Wizards don't exactly go around with their Sight hanging out, so BMI is about as effective as we could possibly hope for.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I remember a comment to that effect before, but DragonParadox really should do a small rewrite to the charm. It is well established in science that there are more than 5 senses. The charm is just kind of badly written for it's purpose as a 5 dot charm.
This runs into a huge issue. Wraith: The Oblivion exists.
There's this text in it:
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There is another option if you guys want to open the veil
Calling the Calibration Gate
The sorcerer offers her Essence to the four points of the compass, then strikes the ground. When she straightens, an ancient, crumbling archway stands before her, granting passage into the otherworlds.
System: Spend 4 Essence and make an extended Intelligence + Occult roll (difficulty 7). Upon accumulating five successes, the Exalt summons a gateway which allows anyone who walks through it to pass into the Spirit World, Underworld, or Near Dreaming – the sorcerer decides which upon casting the spell. The Calibration Gate remains present for a number of minutes equal to the sorcerer's Essence, at which point it vanishes as suddenly as it appeared.
It is sorcery so it costs a flat 10 XP. This does not come with the language benefits though
Calling the Calibration Gate
The sorcerer offers her Essence to the four points of the compass, then strikes the ground. When she straightens, an ancient, crumbling archway stands before her, granting passage into the otherworlds.
System: Spend 4 Essence and make an extended Intelligence + Occult roll (difficulty 7). Upon accumulating five successes, the Exalt summons a gateway which allows anyone who walks through it to pass into the Spirit World, Underworld, or Near Dreaming – the sorcerer decides which upon casting the spell. The Calibration Gate remains present for a number of minutes equal to the sorcerer's Essence, at which point it vanishes as suddenly as it appeared.
It is sorcery so it costs a flat 10 XP. This does not come with the language benefits though
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
Even without overt Red influence in Vegas, the rest of my points still stand and the argument isn't really much weaker, IMO.
Being able to hide from the Sin-Eater, his Red lackey, Outsiders and their agents, other local supernaturals, etc., Skinwalkers in the Nevada region, on top of completely disguising our appearance, and being able to change identities at the drop of a hat, is well worth the expense.
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