Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I don't think summoning Mab is a great plan, nor is spending a favor to do the fey themselves another favor. If make the offer and have a good plan going in for selling the deal we don't need to complicate it bud by turning into inter-court nonsense.
 
[X] Start looking into potential splendors to help Lily, and the politics involved in trying to give it to her.

While I continue to hold that a mantle isn't something to be fought so much as finessed... we need to do the homework. Lily would never forgive herself, I think, if the sheer amount of hell we could bring down doing this in fact did come down like rain: It wouldn't make her happy and it could well make her dead along with a great number of others. Helping her and damning ten thousand others would be a shitty deal even if the patient survives the cure.

So, yeah, we'll make a commitment that we'll look at our options and then give them to her before making a move. But we are willing to violate the known limits of the world to make something happen.
If you want ancient forbidden magic lore that Archive doesn't know, just honeypot Broken Seeker. As the divine teacher of people who include dragonblooded among their number and, as I understand it, mostly rely on oral tradition, he's our best bet as far as getting dark magic secrets go.
We chose not to kill him despite the near absolute certainty that he will torture and kill again and again, just people we've mostly never seen the faces of. My prediction is that we will draw him away from predating the innocent in great hunts against the wicked, other monsters in the dark as ill-gotten power is the easiest to foster, though that by itself only purchases time and at the cost of increasing his strength. That would only end when he decides to come for us or that which is ours.

He'd probably be quite willing to barter for his lore but it will come at a cost. More wicked flesh, which lets him increase his power even faster, or else the joy of seeing us compromise our own morality. In small ways and then larger. It would hurt us until one day that hurt would be forgotten and both would be beautiful things to his eyes. In a small way we share responsibility for everything he does when we might have seen his true death.

I have to wonder how long it will be before he is ready for his next hunt.
 
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We should have the reagents to make a splendor of the type we need. I think a good place to start would be to take the occult checks to go over the details of the problem IC then make the actual item.

Then we spend a bit of time working on our exact approach, and when we come back we'll have the goods in hand instead of making a somewhat imprecise promise and leaving her hanging.

For a new type of transaction with a new customer in a politically fraught environment having the goods in hand and avoiding potential leaks on the upcoming offer is always a good idea.

If we do it right we could very well end up with orders for 5 more at minimum, because immunity to possession and mind control is just that good.

… that might also be a valid way to pull this off too actually. Winter trusts us to an extent already, I bet we could work out a deal with Maeve without too much trouble. At which point we'd have some amount of validation about the specific goods we're selling, and Titania has an even harder time justifying the idea that our splendors won't work or have some other catch to them.

It's just coincidence that the best new tool for the high fey leadership ruins the supernatural aspects of her efforts to destroy Lily's psyche.
While I continue to hold that a mantle isn't something to be fought so much as finessed...
It can theoretically be fought, but no one has managed it long term yet. Molly and Dresden probably will for plot reasons, but Lily wasn't a wizard with significant magical education under her belt.

It's like how technically anyone can be an astronaut, in the sense that they can physically go to space, but if you stick a random person in a rocket and shoot them into orbit they're probably going to die.

Beaming her into a Star Trek shuttle is probably her best chance of not meeting a messy fate.
at the cost of the twice the materials, including subjugated monsters for your to sacrifice, needed to make one,
As an aside, I really like this pricing scheme. They fey are basically supernatural cats in a lot of ways, so bringing us a healthy supply of dead things they think are neat should feel natural.
 
It can theoretically be fought, but no one has managed it long term yet. Molly and Dresden probably will for plot reasons, but Lily wasn't a wizard with significant magical education under her belt.
Someone could fight it but... in general it just seems like a bad idea if you in any way can get to your goals without doing so. Even if its within your abilities to do so. Right now Lily's goal is just to remain most of the person she is and was while minimizing both trauma and additional problems to add to her already overflowing pile. That just makes me think a minimalist engineering philosophy is probably one to take when constructing a solution.

I'd also take care to make sure that whatever we tack on doesn't get passed down with the mantle when the woman inevitably dies. It might work for her but I do not want novel soul magics to become hereditary.
I'm still hoping to start annexing at least some of that court just like we are doing with the Whites. Its just a work in progress.

Eating people isn't enough to make us not friend somebody on facebook.
 
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Someone could fight it but... in general it just seems like a bad idea if you in any way can get to your goals without doing so. Even if its within your abilities to do so. Right now Lily's goal is just to remain most of the person she is and was while minimizing both trauma and additional problems to add to her already overflowing pile. That just makes me think a minimalist engineering philosophy is probably one to take when constructing a solution.

I'd also take care to make sure that whatever we tack on doesn't get passed down with the mantle when the woman inevitably dies. It might work for her but I do not want novel soul magics to become hereditary.
You're inventing concerns where there are none. Splendors are ancient sorcery, They Just Work tm, and are only monkey's paws if we want them to be.

Minimalist engineering is all well and good, but you're drastically underestimating the influence these things have and the practicality of fixing the problem once you're in the middle of it. It's basically pulling yourself up by your bootstraps in the literal (and original) sense of the phrase.

There's no virtue to taking an Amish approach to medical equipment.
 
[X] BronzeTongue

Yog's crafting vote (even though it's otherwise good) still includes the possibility of considering Usum's idea and bringing Mab into this, so I'll go with this one.
 
Adhoc vote count started by BoredMan on Nov 13, 2023 at 10:19 PM, finished with 124 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Start looking into potential splendors to help Lily, and the politics involved in trying to give it to her.
    [X] Plan Better Living through Crafting
    -[X] Renew excellencies, if needed
    -[X] Try to advise Lilly on how to keep those parts of herself she does not wish to lose
    --[X] Offer her a boon - a treasure to protect her mind from changes brought on by magic (a 2 dot splendor protecting against mind alteration and possession) at the cost of the twice the materials, including subjugated monsters for your to sacrifice, needed to make one, and essentially being advertisement to Fae queens of what you can make
    --[X] Advise her how to sell the idea of a perfect mental defense to Titania without revealing her true motives
    ---[X] Subterfuge excellency
    -[X] Seriously consider Usum's idea, once you are at the Last Station summon Mab to ask her advice on how workable it would be and if aid with this would fall under the terms of Winter's debt to you
    [x] Seriously consider Usum's idea, once you are at the Last Station summon Mab to ask her advice on how workable it would be and if aid with this would fall under the terms of Winter's debt to you
 
[X] Start looking into potential splendors to help Lily, and the politics involved in trying to give it to her.

If we do this at this point, then we can go further later if we decide that is necessary. Let's take it a step at a time.
 
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@BronzeTongue might I suggest adding the parts about the pricing scheme and using subterfuge excellency for advising Lily how to sell the thing to Titania? As I understand, our votes differ in me also talking to Mab, but are otherwise identical in intent.

Also, hm...
@Yzarc @Nyarky please be advised that I am changing my vote dropping the part about talking to Mab. On further consideration it's really premature and the crafting part solves Lily's issues mostly.

[X] Plan Better Living through Crafting v2
-[X] Renew excellencies, if needed
-[X] Try to advise Lilly on how to keep those parts of herself she does not wish to lose
--[X] Offer her a boon - a treasure to protect her mind from changes brought on by magic (a 2 dot splendor protecting against mind alteration and possession) at the cost of the twice the materials, including subjugated monsters for your to sacrifice, needed to make one, and essentially being advertisement to Fae queens of what you can make
--[X] Advise her how to sell the idea of a perfect mental defense to Titania without revealing her true motives
---[X] Subterfuge excellency
 
Vote closed, just the Charity talk left of this month now.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 14, 2023 at 3:05 AM, finished with 128 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] Start looking into potential splendors to help Lily, and the politics involved in trying to give it to her.
    [x] Seriously consider Usum's idea, once you are at the Last Station summon Mab to ask her advice on how workable it would be and if aid with this would fall under the terms of Winter's debt to you
    [X] Plan Better Living through Crafting
    -[X] Renew excellencies, if needed
    -[X] Try to advise Lilly on how to keep those parts of herself she does not wish to lose
    --[X] Offer her a boon - a treasure to protect her mind from changes brought on by magic (a 2 dot splendor protecting against mind alteration and possession) at the cost of the twice the materials, including subjugated monsters for your to sacrifice, needed to make one, and essentially being advertisement to Fae queens of what you can make
    --[X] Advise her how to sell the idea of a perfect mental defense to Titania without revealing her true motives
    ---[X] Subterfuge excellency
    -[X] Seriously consider Usum's idea, once you are at the Last Station summon Mab to ask her advice on how workable it would be and if aid with this would fall under the terms of Winter's debt to you
    [X] Plan Better Living through Crafting v2
    -[X] Renew excellencies, if needed
    -[X] Try to advise Lilly on how to keep those parts of herself she does not wish to lose
    --[X] Offer her a boon - a treasure to protect her mind from changes brought on by magic (a 2 dot splendor protecting against mind alteration and possession) at the cost of the twice the materials, including subjugated monsters for your to sacrifice, needed to make one, and essentially being advertisement to Fae queens of what you can make
    --[X] Advise her how to sell the idea of a perfect mental defense to Titania without revealing her true motives
    ---[X] Subterfuge excellency
 
A bit harder to lock him in jar.
Given what we know about him? He might be into it.
Also his type of insanity makes me much less confident on being able to get a good read on him. He could be completely sincere one minute and change his mind the next.
We just need to show him that it's funnier / more fulfilling to torture Outsiders than mortals. Given what we know of Nemesis's motivations (i.e. that it's at least partially motivated by resentment and longing for what it lost), that might well be true, even.
 
Arc 10 Post 48: Hopes and Memories, All in a Row
Hopes and Memories, All in a Row

27th of December 2006 A.D.

She deserves better than this, you think as you watch the girl, one of the most powerful beings in the Summer Court hug herself, as though trying to hold herself physically together. I owe it to her as well. If it weren't for Lilly, if it weren't that that flash of Summer Fire in Harry's hands I wouldn't be here.

Carefully, oh so carefully you say: "You know there's a odd owl in the south-east, they call it the burrowing owl, it doesn't roost in trees or on houses high up. What it does it is finds the burrows of prairie dogs and lives in there. Even though it can't dig since it has claws and wings, it can still live in the places it likes. Just needs a little help."

A look of desperate hope steals across her features is heartbreaking and terrifying in light of Usum's warning. "That sounds like a very lucky bird. I can just imagine a Saturday morning cartoon where this puffy white owl gets into the tunnels and there is a prairie dog in there. They can have kind of a buddy cop dynamic as they work out some kind of accommodation."

Lost 1 Willpower -> Now at 7/9 (+1 Success to an Expression Roll)

OK cartoons, I can do cartoons... "That sounds cool, maybe it would have an environmental message about how every creature on the prairie has its place and they all deserve shelter. Maybe the prairie dog wants to get into business too, be an architect for the owls. There would be a lot of owls around of course."

"So these owl houses would do more than than just to make them feel more at home right?" The Summer Lady turns her head, a cascade of snow-white hair hiding her face, though it does not hide the tremble in her voice.

"Sure, I mean houses are shelter."

"That sounds like a really fun show," she offers a brilliant smile. "Hey, didn't I hear you got like a movie studio? Maybe you could get them to help you make it."

Outwardly you giggle at the idea of Red Star Productions making cartoons, but you hear the question under the question loud and clear: How long do you need to set this up? "It would take us a few months at least to get our ducks, or is that gofers, in a row."

Lilly sits down, seeming more relaxed as she lays her head back to bask in the half-real sun of the garden. "It's nice to talk about this stuff, to talk around a bit, not a lot of people to talk cartoons around here. Mostly it's just 'ho hum we are hoity-toity nobles, children of Danu', but Tinker Bell is a fairy too."

So any listeners are not going to have the context to decode that little talk. "For what it's worth Lilly, I believe in you."

The rest of the afternoon goes down in a lot less seriously since code or no Lilly meant that bit about not having many people her age to talk to. There is Fix of course, they have known each other for most of their lives, but there is only so much one can share with any one person, 'especially when that person is a guy'. There's more than a wink and a giggle to be had here though. She is desperately lonely in a way you find hard to even understand, as much as you might fight with your mother or find your siblings annoying sometimes they are always there if you need to fall back on someone to talk to.

So she talks about them, about Meryl who had given herself to Winter just so that she might help in battle only to be killed in it, about Ace the one who ran, worked with the Red Court and then ran. Not just the end, not just the parts that hurt, the stupid stories that every friend group shares, 'the ups and downs and right 'arounds as she puts it. "...so then Meryl says 'Lilly, that's straight tonic no gin, we haven't given you any alcohol since the first glass. How are you this drunk?' And 'I say are you sure, I'm having a blast.'..."

Finally she talks a little about about Ronald the Summer-Knight-Who-Was, the closest thing to a father she had ever known, the only one who ever been able to really stand up to her.

"Able?" you ask, despite yourself. If you do not ask now she's going to bottle it up again you're sure, as sure as you are she wants to talk about this to someone.

"I've always been pretty, not like this but enough especially since I was willing to show it off. There have always been men willing to protect me, or try to at least. But with Slade... there wasn't anyone who could do it until Ronald. That is how it goes right, winter and summer evenly matched, its our place to keep them from unleashing savagery upon the world, all things in balance?"

"No, fuck that!" Your blood boils, maybe literally with the flash of burning Essence inwards. "You getting hurt was not just part of some inevitable cosmic dance that can only be seen from three million miles up. Your pain mattered then and it matters now. Whatever Slade did to you he did of his own will not because of the Mantle he bore. Colored by Winter's power or not his mind was his own."

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 11/15 (Leadership Excellency)

"He would make me dance. In front... in front of... of everyone." There's so much unsaid in those pauses, a knots of pain and shame all wrapped in anger. "I wish I could hurt him now, even though that is not something I'm owed, even though I wouldn't be as good at it than Mab anyway."

Something about her tone tells you that you are hearing the echo of a conversation she has with someone probably a lot of conversations, probably with Titania. Firmly you remind yourself that summoning the Queen of Summer just so you could yell at her wouldn't be helpful. "Do you want to know what I think?" you ask, once you're sure the words will come out calmly.

The only answer is a sniffle. Maybe you shouldn't be surprised, but even that is pretty. When the Summer Lady cries it's beautiful as the sigh of the wind though willow branches. She pulls out a handkerchief, daubs her eyes leaving behind tears like liquid moonlight. Looking embarrassed, but also just the littlest bit relieved she nods. "What?"

"I don't think you just want to hurt Slade, you want retribution, justice and whatever the hell Mab's doing to Slade now, no matter how much pain he's in, isn't justice."

Lilly isn't looking at you now, she's staring at the trunk of the jacaranda behind you as though the patterns in the bark hold some hidden secret. "Justice," she sounds it out slowly, as though trying the word out. "Yeah, I want him to admit that it was wrong, I want them all to admit that. How silly is that? How human?"

"I don't think it is silly at all and I do not think us humans have a monopoly on justice," you answer, sure of that as you are of your own name.

Her answering smile is a little watery, a little uneven, for just a moment it's like you can see into the past to changeling-Lilly who shared an apartment with a roommate that didn't always do the dishes, who laughed too hard at movies and thought she was a lot better at karaoke than she really was, before Aurora, before the Mantle found her. She gently folds the handkerchief and hands it to you. "For listening."

Part of you really wants to refuse, the idea of profiting from all this makes your stomach twist uncomfortably, but it is the nature of the fey to offer boons in place of thanks so you take it, tuck it away safe and say farewell to the Summer Lady, to a new friend.

Gained Tears of the Summer Lady
A square of plain white silk stained silver, the tears of an immortal mourning her lost mortality

***​

Just as the last rays of the sun paint the sky warm reds and purples, in stark contrast to the snow still on the ground Black Rider pulls into the driveway, expecting to find Mom in the living room, maybe with some tea and snacks on the table if she was really on edge about the talk. What you did not expect was for her to call you upstairs to her and Dad's bedroom and close the door once you are inside and even less did you expect her to be holding a handful of, papers, and one dogeared photograph. "Your dad told me that he told you about... how we met. I'm glad it was him and not... not what did you call her Tiffany?"

"That or Lash, it's what Harry calls her." That time you incarnated part of a Fallen Angel suddenly feels like a more comfortable conversation than this.

"Of course he would. I'll stick with something that's not a pet name for a demon, thank you," she sniffs.

"It's not..." you trail off, it does kind of sound like the kind of name a guy would give his girlfriend. Now you'll never be able to unthink it. Shaking off the thought you return to more important matters. "You don't have to talk about if it you don't want to Mom. I get it. When Dad says he finds it hard to be charitable to someone there's not much reason for charity."

It's only when she smiles in response that you realize the accidental pun. "Not much reason for me is there?"

You rolls your eyes a little, but Mom's expression settles back into being not sad, but pensive, almost instantly.

"Every time one of you kids was born I wrote a letter to my parents, or at least I tried." She crumples the papers, no, the letters a little. "I could never get more than halfway, the first one is just 'Dear Mother and Father' and a lot of crossed out lines. I told myself they would not believe what happened anyway, so better not to brand myself a liar in their eyes again, then I told myself that they would be safer not knowing me anymore. What if someone came after them? Being honest with myself with myself I... I didn't trust them with you kids. If something happened to Michael and me I did not want you to end up back in Boston. But now you are an adult there's no more 'ending up'. You should know. "

What questions do you have for Charity?

[] What was it like growing up in Boston

[] When and how did she find she had magic

[] Write in


OOC: Welp this was a rather long update, but I think it is narratively consistent at least.
 
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Not quite what I'd been going for, but probably better on a personal level for Molly and Lily.

On a practical level we're certainly making connections. Getting both of the Ladies to work with us isn't a small thing.

[X] What was it like growing up in Boston

Yeah, time to go hunt some unfortunate elder for reagents.
We already have the bits and pieces of a few, and a 2 dot doesn't require a particularly impressive example to make directly.

Figuring out the politics is likely going to be a bit tricky, but we should be able to start the construction process whenever.

We should get prepared for that and speak with Bob to see what he knows about Sumner so we can work the IC plan out.
 
we dont have expression.huh. we are a crafter, an orator, a politician,a religious figure and manipulator. and we dont have a single point of expression. kinda funny
 
Fairly sure we don't have any souls/power preserved that we would need to sacrifice. So, we'd need at least one elder vampire. That's probably going to happen in Vegas, I guess.
I think that rule is getting flexed a little, because we're getting things like Ortega's skull or Lily's tears noted as reagents when no crafting system we have access to actual has a default use for them.
 
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