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The God Diversion

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[] Immersion of Above and Below

Darkness shall be illuminated by light, as light is illuminated by shadow. When realities Above and Below intertwine. Opposing sides of one endless tapestry weaved to a potential greater than the whole..

*Gain 7,500 XP. This XP counts as doubled if spent on Eldritch, Arcanum, Seraph, Truthseeker or Lawbringer.
*Gain Aspect: Eldritch (Level 2) and Aspect: Seraph (Level 2) immediately where applies.
*Discount Eldritch (Level 3) and Seraph (Level 3) by 50%.
*Develop one Eldritch Technique and one Seraph Technique of their choice at Level 1 immediately.
*Become one of the strongest first-years alongside Penelope.
*Penelope gains 7,500 XP under the same bonuses
++Penelope
*Furthermore, because this is in tune with your Role, you gain 150 XP.
(we're recalibrating the maths)

[X] SMBlade
[X] Lealope
 
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Secrets of Coffee

Birdsie — You guys should be careful with coffee.
SMBlade — yes
_brightwing —
Because I choose recklessness
WHISPER — that looks like she has a hole in her mouth lol

Birdsie —
In Jewish kabbalah, its gematria value is the same as 'Lilith' which is the qliphotic correspondence point of Malkuth, the physical kingdom of God. Therefore, it's literally the darkest and most corruptive element of the material realm with the greatest risks of betraying you down the line. It also corresponds to combat, being born dead, and cannabis.

SMBlade — No, anything but cannabis!
_brightwing — I am now ruined beyond compare

Birdsie —
Also, the letters that compose the word coffee in Hebrew are for 'mouth,' 'back of the head,' and 'reveal.'
Which means that coffee burns a hole through your head.

_brightwing — As illustrated above with Snow White
Nothing is a coincidence

Birdsie —
It's bad for your brain, so says rabbi Isaac Luria.
Indeed.
This is kabbalah.
The rest is just commentary.
[takes a sip of coffee]

SMBlade — NOOOOO HE IS ALREADY LOST

Birdsie — Don't worry!
_brightwing — It is only the most fitting drink for our dread overlord. The blackest waters.
Birdsie —
The word 'coffee' also contains some of the same letters that mean 'redemption,' so it's actually fine so long as you're a kabbalist and know what you're doing.
It's kosher food, you know?
[takes another sip, contemplates, and mutters]
Or was that 'expiration,' not 'redemption?'
(One thing's for sure: it means 'reckoning.')
(And also cactus.)

SMBlade — i 'reckon' that this requires further study
_brightwing — I concur, going cold turkey without coffee certainly brings a reckoning alright 😢

Birdsie —
Ironically, you can also rearrange the letters of the word coffee to produce the word yawn.
In fact, you have to reverse them and then switch the positions of hei and pe.
Or was it just putting the kuf on the other side?
Alright, my kabbalah is a bit rusty, I admit.
Maybe drinking coffee isn't a good idea after all.
(Granted, this isn't kabbalah so much as Hebrew grammar, but whatever.)

_brightwing — Caffeine crash has knocked out many an aspiring examinee the night before

Birdsie — (But then again, Hebrew grammar is kabbalah so...)
Indeed, that's Lilith.

Nothing less than a manifestation of the Sitra Achra.
Only Tikkun Olam can save us now.
 
To delay the power spike offered by either of the SC options because we would rather spend our SC elsewhere, is a blatant reversal on our previous stance that we're in so much danger we MUST take the immediately powerful option. Devotion does not equal the level of power offered by aspect 4 Eldritch, a level 2 technique, a level 1 technique, and 20k xp. It simply is incomparable. It's extremely greedy to turn down that level of immediate safety because we'd rather have devotion in the mid-long term. I'd rather empower Penelope than pass up on both of these.
 
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To delay the power spike offered by either of the SC options because we would rather spend our SC elsewhere, is a blatant reversal on our previous stance that we're in so much danger we MUST take the immediately powerful option. Devotion does not equal the level of power offered by aspect 4 Eldritch, a level 2 technique, a level 1 technique, and 20k xp. It simply is incomparable. It's extremely greedy to turn down that level of immediate safety because we'd rather have devotion in the mid-long term. I'd rather empower Penelope than pass up on both of these.
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Well that point was enough to give me an attack of indecisiveness. I literally forgot about that.
[X] Plan Friendship
 
I am just choosing thing, which not makes paranoia bells ring in my head. I feel like being too greedy can bite us in the ass later, because it is Gothic Horror place. So laws of narrative would like to srew with greedy occultists seeking all power for themselves. Let's have other test subject, some benefits for the future. Or just divide the found treasure.

[X] Plan Friendship​
 
I've added an addendum to my plan to purchase angelic should we have enough for that but not enough for eldritch. Lealope I believe is adding an addendum to purchase eldritch, should we gather the requisite SC. The magic of compromise, the efforts of the voters will determine who gets the power. Should we reach further beyond and gather enough SC, Sol earns his own power. If he doesn't, Penelope takes the spotlight.
 
Truly, the magic of compromise is strong.... Clearly I have won in every way that matters, as the plans are functionally the same and I have been proven correct. Thus, we can move on to more important things: roughly doubling our SC count. Clearly the first step is simple: discuss, discuss, discuss. Discuss what? My suggestion are techniques for Eldritch, of course, but anything goes.
 
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I've added an addendum to my plan to purchase angelic should we have enough for that but not enough for eldritch. Lealope I believe is adding an addendum to purchase eldritch, should we gather the requisite SC. The magic of compromise, the efforts of the voters will determine who gets the power. Should we reach further beyond and gather enough SC, Sol earns his own power. If he doesn't, Penelope takes the spotlight.
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Well great. Now the two popular plans are the exact same and choice is entirely taken away from the voters.

[X] Plan Friendship
 
Mr.Norm said:
Well great. Now the two popular plans are the exact same and choice is entirely taken away from the voters.

[X] Plan Friendship
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You are welcome to make a plan that does not do this. The vote has just been opened, feel free to add in a plan that purely takes angelic or purely takes eldritch.

I specifically made a post about this so that people who are not ok with this can pivot off.
 
It's actually impossible for us to know how valuable this EFB is without knowing how Eldritch and Arcanum stack. But it's entirely possible Devotion + our existing and new XP actually is more raw power, if you do the math. That is how efficient exponential cost / value stacking works - an extra 10k is basically just +1 level at some point. It also seems unlikely that the challenges presented by advanced empowerment will be so drastic as to require the potential Arcanum 16 (!) level combat granted by a fully stacking Eldritch Immersion, as even without it we can hit Arcanum 10 combat as long as we're allowed to spend our XP.

I still don't agree with any plan that invests enormous amounts of XP and SC into a character that may be vulnerable to being co-opted by the Lamb. If we don't have an XP spending point and only get the free Aspect levels ASAP, we should just coordinate to vote for Eldritch Immersion if we have the sc. But if Eldritch doesn't stack with Arcanum without specific techniques, this is a mere sidegrade and may not be worth the SC even in principle. As I said before, we need much more info to make an informed decision here.

[X] Distribution
 
Rihaku said:
It's actually impossible for us to know how valuable this EFB is without knowing how Eldritch and Arcanum stack. But it's entirely possible Devotion + our existing and new XP actually is more raw power, if you do the math. That is how efficient exponential cost / value stacking works - an extra 10k is basically just +1 level at some point. It also seems unlikely that the challenges presented by advanced empowerment will be so drastic as to require the potential Arcanum 16 (!) level combat granted by a fully stacking Eldritch Immersion, as even without it we can hit Arcanum 10 combat as long as we're allowed to spend our XP.

I still don't agree with any plan that invests enormous amounts of XP and SC into a character that may be vulnerable to being co-opted by the Lamb. If we don't have an XP spending point and only get the free Aspect levels ASAP, we should just coordinate to vote for Eldritch Immersion if we have the sc. But if Eldritch doesn't stack with Arcanum without specific techniques, this is a mere sidegrade and may not be worth the SC even in principle. As I said before, we need much more info to make an informed decision here.

[X] Distribution
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If you are in any way implying that a specific level 2 technique in a plan that gets 2k xp extra is the same amount of power as a level 4 aspect + a level 2 technique + a level 1 technique and 20k xp extra, that is extreme cope. Just does not make mathematical sense. You pushed extremely hard for Eldritch because you espoused how well it stacks with everything else. Here is your chance to prove that correct, powerlevel eldritch and show you were right.

Now you're the one talking in degrees of danger, saying that the potential offered by the devotion is worth more than a full 6 aspect levels of power in what we've already discussed is a dangerous situation. This is the cube argument but a much larger difference in power, and much worse long term gain.
 
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Now while I would suggest voting for S T O N K S I will readily admit that I mostly made it as a shitpost protest vote about how the two existing plans were functionally similar by making a plan that was itself functionally the same and blatantly so. I would recommend voting for Distribution or Storage or somesuch - better for everyone. What should we do with all of our recent XP gains, anyways?
 
[X] Distribution

The ominous comments Birdsie has made on Discord about Sol's rolls and odds of survival in the immediate future are concerning, but we don't have the SC for Eldritch Immersion. Purchasing it would also send us into Will debt - as would Angelic, if burnout's triggered at zero rather than entering the negatives, which I don't believe was ever confirmed. I don't dislike Penelope, but she hasn't demonstrated anything to merit this degree of investment. Distribution yields fifty percent more total XP than Absorption, has better than even odds of temporarily unlocking both Aspects, and is the fairest option.
 
Rihaku said:
It's actually impossible for us to know how valuable this EFB is without knowing how Eldritch and Arcanum stack. But it's entirely possible Devotion + our existing and new XP actually is more raw power, if you do the math. That is how efficient exponential cost / value stacking works - an extra 10k is basically just +1 level at some point. It also seems unlikely that the challenges presented by advanced empowerment will be so drastic as to require the potential Arcanum 16 (!) level combat granted by a fully stacking Eldritch Immersion, as even without it we can hit Arcanum 10 combat as long as we're allowed to spend our XP.
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So, to be clear, your argument is that if the Eldritch aspect doesn't stack with Arcanum for combat (as is the worst case), then Eldritch Immersion's presumed build of Arcanum 6, Eldritch 5, Hermes 3 (for a combat level of Arcanum 9) is inferior to, let's see..
Arcanum 2, Hermes 2-3(-500-1500(depending on luck) XP), Arcane Focus (Devoted, combat) 2 (-900 XP), on average 500 XP left over? It does work out to Arcanum 10-12, so strictly speaking you are correct in the absolute worst case.

It occurs to me that if we're seriously worried about our immediate safety(and get an XP-distribution vote) and want a Panic button, we should probably get Sanctum 1, so Solomon can plop it down around himself for doubled power in truly dire straits; unless setting a Sanctum with none already preset is a sufficiently involved process to make that infeasible, which I don't think we know.
 
Ok, why both plans became the same? This is odd.
 
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