What do you mean, we constantly vote to change mechanics, like nimbus charm and stuff.
This is the same thing, we can vote for it if people agree enough that holden is bad or not
We've had votes to correct unforeseen issues, but there's always been a primary. Voting on a 20 exp charm with a question mark under what it did would be something new.
It is directly undermining the intent of the system. It is supposed to be weakish or awkward and the limits are inteded to curb players. Like it was his explict intent in the foreword you posted.
If we are undermining the intent of the system then why use it.
And wondercrafting is not a bad system, i used it all the time in my games, its very fun.
It's not undermining it, it's just not doing what you want with it.
Windercrafting is a bad system here, because it either requires we have spheres for everything which functionally causes the same problems as the RaW crafting which would probably require you to spend 40 exp to buy everything needed to model making yourself breakfast, or you don't and nonsense starts happening.
The system Holden added allows us to make really powerful stuff for ourselves and other close characters, weaker stuff for anyone to use, or powerful stuff for anyone to use if we're willing to pay the price. That's basically what we need, though how we pay the price could use updating.
Which is meaningless because our world can supply us with any amount of resources.
Not those resources. Splendors, where the real bullshit is, need something we've won or taken from the modern world to be made and we got a ruling that this particular kind of reagent can't be taken for free from our hell.
Prodigies are nice because we can use lesser reagents and added complications on their use to get higher tier effects, but they don't operate on the same scale as splendors.
That is a part of my reagent suggestion. So whatever we use to craft would have certian association with spheres and we could use them to achive that level of effects. Vampire blood for example could be a entropy2/prime1 aspected reagent and we can use it to make wonders that need those spheres. Like a undeath dectecting glasses or dice that always roll nat 20s.
Interesting idea, but I don't see why that wouldn't run into the hell problem too. If you make it Holden style you just have the issues with busting individual items come up less frequently.
It can do it, it would just require us to spend an unreasonable amount of AP on it and basically change the shape of the quest.
We can do it for example creating a really high wonder computer code that forms a god of the Internet or creating a vaccine for red vampire.
god crafting is something we'll probably use a separate system for under this charm, and I don't see how the vaccine thing would really scale under either system RaW.
The counter-argument here is that exalted host was able to bootstrap themselves from at most a medieval society to magitech utopia in a hostile environment amidst the war against Primordials in a relatively short time.
They didn't do that by teaching muggles to make things. They made huge industrial wonders themselves, and used dragonblooded for a lot of other stuff.
They also had gods and spirits to boss around in vast quantities. It died when they fell for a reason.
I'm sure we can find a way to get something larger scale going, but there are a few different but related issues here.
1) Molly isn't a tech exalt. Outside of mechanics she personally can lacks the skill to matter here and we'd have to spend a lot to get up there.
2) Magic currently requires empowered specialists. The setting isn't overflowing with magic items for a reason, and it's because people who can make them at all are rare for reasons other than lack of knowledge.
3) This charm is about drawing on ancient knowledge, power, and authority. That's what differentiates it from regular crafting which can be bought through other means.
The tech stuff isn't relevant to our use case because of point 1. The magic stuff can't itself spread very far because of 2, and wouldn't be of direct use because of 3.
This charm isn't for that, and reverting to the old version wouldn't change anything relevant to this use case.
