Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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By that logic no one should be able to contest mhm but they can clearly do so its not impossible to contest an exaltation. Its not like the spirits are a perfect charm. And the charm doesn't specify that they can't be turned against us.
First of how would enemies ever know to preform such on a satellite of all things, manage to hit it when satellites move to fast for anything less then a instant speed spell to hit it. And second even if they did it would either fail, or return the devil to us automatically.
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Yeah. Hence holding it in reserve until we need it.
1) It doesnt. There's no indication Im aware of that it allows you to move things at arbitrary speeds.
You are trivializing the process of attempting to steer a satellite in a crowded sky where satellites in LEO are doing around 28,000 kph. Thats my considered opinion; I wasnt kidding when I said it was like playing bumper cars.
2) "Scaremongering."I am genuinely boggled at this.
As in, this is not a theoretical exercise, its actually happened here in North America, and it was good fortune that dropped it in the Canadian outback and not the middle of a city. And you think that Molly would be quite this cavalier, given that she is coming from a background where her mistakes have hurt people.
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fictionfan
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Again with the irrelevant information. Do you know why there is so much space junk in orbit despite NASA knowing exactly where it is? Because there isn't currently any better way to bring it down then to send a very expensive rocket up to do that where any errors just adds more junk. Well on the other hand MHM doesn't require us to send up anything and is very cheap for us to use. It's weird I feel like you realize just how hard the problem is in real life and therefore assume that it must be hard for us. It's not hard for us. It's actually very easy and if we mess up somehow we can fix mistakes cheaply. We can be cavalier about this shit.
I am sure that there are tons of occult eyes watching every piece of space junk in high fidelity (sarcasm). And if they see so what? We would not be in a worse position then we would be without the sats.
You have been repeated told all the reasons why recalling is not a problem when they are auto recalled with destruction so I will not repeat again just read the last few pages.
Yes Molly can arbitrarily compact satellites down 1000 pounds per success and satilites are not made out of heavy materials. Or we just keep applying the bashing damage.
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[X] Try to race the sisters
-[X]Rage Recast Flight
-[X]Windborn Stride: Passive mode
Windborn Stride is always active, starts us at 3x land speed, and we keep accelerating until we max out at 10x speed.
I dont really see a need to spend more Essence.
Yes, it shows some of what we can do to any watchers, but this is stuff we'll routinely show anyway.
[X] Try to race the sisters
-[X]Rage Recast Flight
-[X]Windborn Stride: Passive mode
Windborn Stride is always active, starts us at 3x land speed, and we keep accelerating until we max out at 10x speed.
I dont really see a need to spend more Essence.
Yes, it shows some of what we can do to any watchers, but this is stuff we'll routinely show anyway.
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@uju32 the QM agreed to the option to make the satellites, if it was against Molly's will as you keep insisting or if we had no way of getting them back I doubt he would have allowed the option so I'll ask him.
@DragonParadox could you tell if uju's concerns are true and this option would have as many problems?
[X] Try to race the sisters
-[X]Rage Recast Flight
-[X]Windborn Stride: Passive mode
@DragonParadox could you tell if uju's concerns are true and this option would have as many problems?
[X] Try to race the sisters
-[X]Rage Recast Flight
-[X]Windborn Stride: Passive mode
fictionfan
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[X] Try to race the sisters
-[X]Rage Recast Flight
-[X]Windborn Stride: Passive mode
-[X]Rage Recast Flight
-[X]Windborn Stride: Passive mode
Amazing, if it weren't for the fact that cyber devils exist this would be peak minion right here.
Truly even in this lessened age Odin is still winning.
Interesting. We knew Molly's fate was burned out or something from earlier, but that it shows a false negative instead of a null to this sort of sense is worth remembering.
We are dealing with old Norse spirits here, some willingness to get into contests isn't necessarily the worst thing.
I expected more professionalism, but that's probably the test being run here.
These guys probably are legitimately like this on a personal level, but I doubt either aspect of our escort is incapable of putting on a good social effort - at minimum they'd have chosen someone who could instead.
It's a pretty slick way to prod at Molly's character. One scene and he can get feedback on how seriously Molly takes herself, her business, how much mortal teenager is still rattling around, and similar.
With that in mind, I favor a little bit of fun here. We can do business while demonstrating Molly is both still human and doesn't have her head up her ass.
[X] Try to race the sisters
-[X]Rage Recast Flight
-[X]Windborn Stride: Passive mode
As far as you can tell all three of these people are entirely like this yes, no one is playing themselves up or down
1)Its not irrelevant information.
Those objects are all moving in excess of Mach 16, and impacts create more of them. There's a reason why we worry about Kessler and invest all that much effort in monitoring the positions of things up there.
2)The White Council assassinated Red Court warlord and son in law of the Red King Duke Paolo Ortega less than three years ago by having the Blackstaff drop a satellite on his estate, killing him and around 200 other Red Court vampires.
If occult eyes werent watching the orbitals before, they sure as hell are watching them now.
So are mortal eyes, because the Casaverde strike also killed a hundred vanilla humans.
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Nowhere here does it suggest Molly can wield arbitrary amounts of force to compact shit.
Furthermore,1000 pounds per success is only in play when you roll more than six successes on your activation roll.
Our max force to date was around four tons.
For comparison, a car crusher exerts around 150 tons of pressure to compact cars according to Google.
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Rituals. Thats how the blackstaff did it. And i don't think if someone binds a spirit that we would still get it back.
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Did you mess the part where MMM let's you put out thousand of pounds of force, that well beyond most trash compactors by several thousand pounds.
fictionfan
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This is 2006. There was less than a 10th of the amount of things in orbit. Only 50 defunt sats total.
Not going to bother addressing your other objections again.
Not going to bother addressing your other objections again.
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MHM has topped out at around four metric tons for 13 successes, and thats with an Occult Excellency padding the successes on activation.
A car crusher exerts around a hundred and fifty tons of force.
fictionfan
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Savings one of our cyber devils from the vacuum of space actives TLF and we would likely give it multiple trys if needed.
Edit: To run ahead of your objections no that still isn't as much as a car crusher, but we don't actually need a solid block and can apply the force more intelligently. Or just fly up which would be my first impulse.
I just read back because this seemed low. We rolled 10 successes then so 10,000 pounds.
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I dont think someone can bind a cyberdevil of Molly's.
They're already bound to her, their very nature was changed when they accepted entering her service, and breaking that Charm-enforced bond of that sort is probably beyond most people.
Thats not accurate.
A good chunk of the things in orbit are not defunct satellites.You also find shit like used rocket bodies, and the debris of ASAT weapons tests. This article tells us there were 13,000 objects tracked in space as of 2006
And thats how you get shit like this:
In February, 2009, four hundred and ninety miles above Siberia's Taymyr Peninsula, on Russia's Arctic coast, two intact satellites rammed into each other for the first time. One was owned by Iridium, the American communications company, and the other was a derelict Soviet Kosmos satellite. They were travelling at tremendous speeds; upon impact, plumes of shrapnel spread outward like ribbons around the globe. The collision—combined with the debris caused by the Chinese ASAT test—added nearly six thousand objects to the NORAD catalogue.
The Elusive Peril of Space Junk
Millions of human artifacts circle the Earth. Can we clean them up before they cause a disaster?www.newyorker.com
You may not believe me, but if, say, the QM allowed us to use HMP to pay a 1m surcharge to recall each individual cyberdevils?
I would be quite happy to work with it. I would even be able to live with having to repurchase HMP a second time in order to get the ability to recall a cyberdevil from this sort of situation.
But I dont make the rules, and we're actually supposed to be roleplaying a character.
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I dont believe so.
Our cyberdevil is not at risk from the environmental dangers of outer space.
See when we were interrogating the Ants in Undertown, and I thought TLF would apply and was told no.
I think the charm load out makes a difference. A proper social exalt has a whole suite of things for manipulating people. We have a few conditional ones.
I haven't found it yet, but I thought there was a post where DP mentioned that they'd potentially have access to some tradition of their own.
On the medical end I wouldn't call it super high priority because they're probably fine with baseline care for normal stuff, but they're different enough from humans that I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it's less comfortable and effective than stuff focused on their specific needs.
Magic and tech are very hard to mix, I'd be surprised if they were planning anything too involved by default. Opportunistically sure, but not necessarily as an assumed option.
@DragonParadox before we go down this rabbit hole too far, is this a viable idea?
It doesn't seem entirely unreasonable that someone with high enough craft and occult could determine the least optimal configuration for something you want to effect with magic and build those into an object.
Mac's disrupts loose power with a disordered arrangement of 13 pillars, so baseline something like that could fit. Shape the frames such that they either don't include any
patterns or useful numbers in as many respects as possible.
On a more advanced level, something like "crumple zones" of magically helpful areas could also make sense.
I'm envisioning something like a vehicle where every part of the platform is designed to be disruptive to magical forces, with the exception of routes traced like grounding lines away from import stuff.
That way magic that hits you is biased to follow known routes.
Mechanically maybe just make it harder to effect with minor forces and less prone to suffering from simple passive exposure?
All else aside, satellites are sort of delicate and it only needs to be broken to release the cyber devil.
MHM is probably good enough to break a satellite at need.
A safe deorbit is harder, but most satellites aren't that huge and aren't designed to survive reentry. Ebenezer's thing probably required magic to make work beyond just moving the target, because otherwise it would have burned up well before hit hit the ground.
Use MHM to force continuous tumbling by smacking it around and whatever we drop will be scorched dust before it gets low enough to matter.
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So you are perfectly happy with binding Cyber devils to satilites a year at a time.
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Yes, though it would also limit how much magic you can do to the thing itself without losing said low magic property
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That a choice we can pass onto the customer.
Disclaimer: NOT a rocket scientist.
But my understanding is that satellites arent actually delicate.
Complicated, but not delicate. Else we wouldnt be able to slap them on top of a rocket booster.
Satellites get at least as big as a school bus at the higher end; Envisat, which the European Space Agency lost control of in 2012, was around 8 tons mass and the size of a school bus.
Real life experience suggests it doesnt work that way when satellites suffer events.
Most of the debris appears to stay in orbit for prolonged periods of time, and thats just the stuff we can reasonably detect.
Well thank you for telling me that you think Im lying.
It certainly clarifies the argument, and whether I should bother continuing.
And for the record, we dont determine how many successes we get on a binding roll for HMP.
You roll Charisma + Computer OR Tech at DC7, and you take what it gives you.
At least, thats how its worked thus far.