1) We don't need to buy enchantment. Our kingdom should take care of that - we should be able to commission necessary materials and enchantments.
2) I want to buy enchantment and craft 5 anyway. Putting those before Constructive Convergence of Principles just makes sense. Because it is likely to make CCoP cheaper. And possibly overall better.
My point is that there are several steps between "what we have now" and "exalted charm crafted equipment". You are intent on skipping towards the top tier immediately. I am not.
1)We do need to buy Enchantment eventually.
Our kingdom isnt going to be able to match the expertise of a Craft-spec Celestial Exalt cooking with gas.
And it will have its own internal requirements for these things as well; we arent just going to grab their shit in bulk and leave.
2) So do I. I want Enchantment Path and Craft 5 eventually.
However, buying them before CCP does not make sense because we are incurring opportunity costs in the meantime that the narrative will not necessarily allow us to recoup.
Saving 4XP on buying Exalted Crafting does not even begin to compare to the potential narrative and mechanical value of securing someone like Lash for example.Or her daughter with Dresden.
Fallen Shadows or their progeny do not appear on the marketplace very often. Or ever.
It would be like declining the offer to befriend Lydia when it came up because we were waiting for more AP first.
And no, you dont make an Exalted charm better.
That's not how it works.
3) Holden specifically designed all the Exalted charmsets here so that there would be no precursor charms. No hoops to jump through.The whole game is designed for you to go directly for the charms you want, if and when you want them, instead of having to meet arbitrary requirements by the design team.
If you want a 5 dot charm, you dont have to wait for Attribute, Ability or Essence minimums; you just save your XP and buy it.
I see no reason to reintroduce additional barriers to entry and fun that the author specifically went to the trouble of ripping out.
Magical Jade also exists. But even if there are no exalted-grade magical materials, that doesn't really matter.
Magical jade here appears to be largely the province of vampire and death magic as far as I can tell, not mortal enchantment.
White Jade in particular is basically modern soulsteel, and is made from ghosts.
Wrong. We need exalted crafting for specific god customization. We don't need it for generalized god forging, and I actually think that having less control here is better for the moment. More interesting at least.
Wrong.
We kludged our way into making Bane by rolling gratuitous numbers of successes on a communal ward roll.
Thats not the same thing as suddenly being able to do god-forging at will.
Furthermore, when you are making terrifyingly lethal god-beast guardians for deployment in the middle of an urban center full of civilians, you do NOT want to leave anything about their creation or temperament to chance. Thats like raising a set of pitbulls or Rottweilers for families with children and declining to train them because it makes things interesting.
To do otherwise would be horrifyingly irresponsible. And not just for bystanders.
These are sapients; you cant just put them down if you fuck up and the result is twitchy, or antisocial, or otherwise unsuitable for watching over a habitation full of people.
It's not completionism. It's establishing foundation, and, mathematically, attempting to reduce the total amount of XP spent.
It is very much completionism.
You are suggesting we throw in arbitrary bottlenecks that the author specifically went to the trouble of removing so that we can "establish a foundation" that the book does not require us needing.
If I declared that we shouldnt buy or use shih Qiao without spending years at a Shih monastery in Nepal to build a proper spiritual and philosophical foundation for its use, you would call bullshit on it as well.
And you would be right to do so.
I see no reason for us to invent hoops to jump through. Might as well suggest we bring back the Great Curse.
That does mean that any magic able to say seal in the effects of the charm so that the pieces cannot reunite is very bad for the infernal since this is not arbitrary resurrection, the bloody screening sand has to race across the city/world/universe to get to where it needs to go in order to invest that part of the greater being with the crown of Exaltation and revert memories to prime.
Thats the same as saying any magic able to contain/restrain an active Celestial Exaltation.
Because the Exaltation is the carrier.
That's literally what it says it does though. I don't recall the WoQM for every part of it, but barring a reference you're painting what you'd like to find over what's actually there. It wouldn't be the first expensive infernal charm with a stupid effect.
I think you are misinterpreting that, given the context.
It certainly doesnt make sense in context either; spawning naked, powerless mortals in Shintai makes fuckall sense compared to the Signature versions of other charms in Shintai.
They have in fact been changed:
A change I actually enjoy even if it isn't relevant on a practical level; Molly is on the path to baby primordial, not being glowy Gilgamesh.
Thank you for the citation.
I dont really care for the ruling, but its not likely to be relevant in the lifespan of the quest, so 🤷
Telling the guards will in this case cost an action, in the form of not actively attacking them or their boss as you make the offer. You could of course ask them to stand down while you are actively attacking, but Exalt or no that is very unlikely to work.
Your game, your rules.
