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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Our soak is really good maybe 17 dice with a DC of 4. Unfortunately 1s subtract so although our average soak is really great ~10 our variance is inconsistent. The 10 average successes isn't including the possible 1s because that math is hard.

Wish we had a little more ox body. Still if we assume the attack on Lara was on the high end we should be fine.

[X] Ignore the guards, kill that thing now
-[X] Stunt: You do not spare a word or a look at the guards while charging for the creature that their lord had become, had invited into this reality. But that does not mean they are not watched, a dozen eyes of green balefire behold each guard, driving fear into their minds and asuring you that no blade will find your back unnoticed.

The walker has a bit more skin in the game this time then would usually be the case because we are certainly going to murder is meat him.
 
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Come on guys, he just gave us an occasion to quote Obi-wan! Do not let it be! We have no need top be silent there, he asked for the witty reply, practically begged for it!
 
BronzeTongue said:
Cite?
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DragonParadox said:
Splintered Gale Incarnation produces a mortal version of the exalt with no supernatural powers but otherwise identical. This incarnation can learn path magic and martial arts as a mortal might through training and the expenditure of XP. Technically if you have a Path as the Exalt you can be the teacher of your own mortal body, adapting the material to be used without the advantages of Exaltation
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And since when absorbed Molly learns what the clone learns, and new clones are made with what Molly knows, then if a new clone is made it will have the knowledge of how to use MA Path magic as a Mortal because Molly knows it, even if she cannot us it herself.
 
Serious question:
Do we want to Murder is Meat the outsider?

Permakilling one of them is good for reality, but we were supposed to keep it quiet.
Is it worth using it here?
 
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And since when absorbed Molly learns what the clone learns, and new clones are made with what Molly knows, then if a new clone is made it will have the knowledge of how to use MA Path magic as a Mortal because Molly knows it, even if she cannot us it herself.
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Note how it says you make them without supernatural powers. Yes technically the clones will know how to use say Alchemy as an Exalt when you make them... and if they tried they would die because their souls are squishy and mortal. The process of teaching them to use path magic as a mortal is why a teaching/learning action and expenditure of XP is needed.
 
[X] Order the remaining Skavis vampires to stand down (Lets you handle the lord without distraction if it works)
-[X] Intimidation excellency
-[X] STUNT: From the confines of your soul you draw your sword, its weight adding to the dreadful beauty and majesty of your form, and with a motion fit for an empress proclaiming a stay of execution you indicate the guards to move aside. "Step aside" you whisper, and your voice carries, "Or be swept aside" you finish and start moving towards the enemy of Creation before you.

Something like this?
 
BronzeTongue said:
It's demonstrated as a possibility, and it's sorted in the same category. You're banking on it not existing elsewhere, not on a categorical defense.
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It's the exception that proves the rule, because it's the distinguishing capability that Abyssals have that no one else does.

BronzeTongue said:
A triple purge where we install a notoriously unpopular leader without the legitimacy, connections, or skills to do the job on the basis of how swole we can make him is stupid. Especially since giving him a mega blood pool doesn't ensure he actually has the ability to take an elder with a better build than him.

We're already basically at a breaking point here. That's the sort of thing that would shatter the court into pieces just small enough to screw mortals over without being top down manageable or capable of doing anything good for reality as a whole.

No one benefits from doing something like this other than the Outsiders.
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I think Lara's already done that by destroying the leadership of the other Houses.

And Thomas has the bloodline legitimacy to be White King.
 
[x] Ignore the guards, kill that thing now
-[x] [Stunt] Doing your best Obi-wan impression, you answer him with: "You did this to yourself." You then use one of the guards as a springboard to somersault right in the middle of them all, your aura promising death to all that approach, the eyes in it vigilant to any and all attacks they could try to send your way.

Search your feelings, you know you must vote for General Kenobi!
 
Alratan said:
And Thomas has the bloodline legitimacy to be White King.
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Yeah, but he's a 50 something Fledgeling, he's nearly an outsider (mundanely, to the Court, not capital-O) in that he avoided Court-politics most of his life and for the last years he was completly out.

By all means, most of the Whampires propably see him as another rich failson, while some may see that he's cleverer than he pretends to be, but he still used that cleverness to get out, not to rise in the hierarchy.
 
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Also Thomas would very much not thank us for making him the white king.
Yog said:
[X] Intimidation excellency
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No point in this situation. Our skill is high and the DC is low we are going to make the roll the only question is if they spend willpower to join battle or not. If they do it doesn't matter if we roll 20 successes. Might as well save the essence.
 
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Seems like we should get a circumstance bonus to intimidation attempts against anyone who was present to see us telekinetically decapitate a dude with trivial ease. Would that count as a stunt?
 
[x] Ignore the guards, kill that thing now
-[x] [Stunt] Doing your best Obi-wan impression, you answer him with: "You did this to yourself." You then use one of the guards as a springboard to somersault right in the middle of them all, your aura promising death to all that approach, the eyes in it vigilant to any and all attacks they could try to send your way.

Alternatively, if we want to adress the Walker rather the Whamp, we can do a Sauron:
[x] Ignore the guards, kill that thing now
-[x] [Stunt] "You Cannot Hide. I SEE You. There Is Nothing For You Here. Only...Death." You then use one of the guards as a springboard to somersault right in the middle of them all, your aura promising death to all that approach, the eyes in it vigilant to any and all attacks they could try to send your way.

Fits pretty well with the eye imagery I believe.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Black Flames, Black Deeds
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COMMENTARY
Okay, where are Lara's sisters?
She has nine that I can recall, and not counting the insane one or Inari, there should be seven. Even fifty percent availability should translate to four or five Whamps as backup.

Top levels of the Court have access to ritual thaumaturgy at a minimum.
Lord Skavis appears to have armed his retinue with Chimestry weapons, which suggests he has a minimum of Chimestry 6: Shared Nightmare. A little surprised Molly wasnt rolling high enough to straight up disbelieve the weapons.

Lara has suffered 1 Agg and 2L
She can regen the 2L damage in combat time; she's done so before onscreen, her father has done so before onscreen, Madrigal has done so onscreen, Thomas even healed a broken neck. No wound penalties for her.

Going to note that Outsiders canonically had dealings with Constantine Raith.
The fact that they are striking at Lara instead of the White King suggests that they hope to be able to control/do deals with him if they put his daughter out of the way.

Or just start a White Court civil war by killing all reasonable claimants to power; they already killed Skavis Heir, and using the hands of his father to do so in this way is a great way to ensure noone will consider him legitimate.
Kill Lara, have Vito kill his mother and you have Chaos.
DragonParadox said:
I mean he probably did not want to murder his son and Molly is not sure how much of the vampire is still left in there. This is very much a move of desperation.
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@Alectai is right; he had other, immediate options.

He could have pumped Celerity and tried a fighting retreat. He could have tried a summon that allowed him to send a summoned spirit/set of spirits, even an Outsider, directly at his enemies; Skin Game makes it clear that Outsiders can take material form just fine, and Victor Sells back in Storm Front established there are plenty of other spirits as well.

He could have sacrificed one of the humans around. Or another vampire in his retinue.

Calling not just a spirit or an Outsider but an actual Walker, one of the Three Who Serve The Lord of Slowest Terror, to possess his body and soul at the cost of sacrificing his son is very much the province of people who are already under the influence in one way or the other and not making optimal decisions for their own welfare.

He's literally sacrificed both himself and his son here. Possibly his entire bloodline, if there are no other kids around at home.

Also, senior Outsiders dont come at the beck and call of just anyone.
Its like borrowing money from a bank; they dont loan serious money to people who they havent done background checks on, or have a preexisting relationship with. Lord Skavis was already in deep with them from this performance.

Goldfish said:
It isn't out of the question that some forces who associate with Outsiders know Lara is a True Venator, an avowed enemy of Outsiders and all who traffic with them. When a purge is obviously about to happen, it's being led by a dedicated enemy of Outsiders, and you're neck deep in dealings with those same Outsiders, it doesn't take a huge leap to assume you're on the list.
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The Oblivion War is not about Outsiders. Its about the Old Ones.
 
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Alectai said:
AKA "He immediately assumed the worst when Madrigal started throwing hands and immediately jumped to sacrificing the one thing in the universe he presumably cared about, without even trying to figure out what the fuck was going on."
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DragonParadox said:
With an instinct for the dramatic fit for the stage he plucks a list from the lands of his... computer person maybe... and tosses it at the feet of Lord Skavis and his heir. "A list of all the magic users your plot already killed behind the mask of religious fanatics..."

"Uncle please..." Madrigal starts. "What is this, would you really side against your own flesh and blood, against your own people to keep a hateful peace with those you know despise us?"
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While Madrigal reacted first, the gauntlet was clearly thrown at the Skavis first.

It was a risk game for the Skavis Patriarch. Either take a chance that this very public display does not have them as the main target and risk giving the Raiths more time to switch the gears from a party to full purge mode, or act now, while there might still be time to do something. So he made his decision.

Given his age and the nature of White Court/Roman/medieval politics, this likely isn't the first time he has been present at an event turned purge, giving him a sense of the mood. And we also don't know all the things going behind the scenes that helped push that decision.

Goldfish said:
Whampires are Human enough to have a soul, and thus subject to judgement in the afterlife. Combine that with an absolute knowledge that Hell is a real place, and it makes sense that one would do anything within their power to avoid it.
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The Underworld is also a real place, and while I wouldn't expect Hades to send almost any whamp to the Elysian Fields, spending an eternity as a shade - like everyone else not a great hero - is a much preferable option to Hell.

Maybe there's more to whamp polytheism than just traditionalist roleplay.

And that does not even take into account how it implies other afterlives can also be real, giving an opportunity to "shop around". There were a lot of cults in Rome originating from the east.
 
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Is there a difference between Old Ones and Outsiders? I always thought that they are more ore less the same, just that one is a bit more powerful than the other. And that some Old Ones aren´t outside, but locked away in Creation.
 
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[x] Ignore the guards, kill that thing now
-[x] [Stunt] Doing your best Obi-wan impression, you answer him with: "You did this to yourself." You then use one of the guards as a springboard to somersault right in the middle of them all, your aura promising death to all that approach, the eyes in it vigilant to any and all attacks they could try to send your way.

Yeah, he literally spoon-fed us that line. Not using it would be a crime.
 
Is this really just the 3 of us against everyone else? I mean I expect us to win that, but I am surprised Lara is putting so much faith in us.

Edit: Then again most of her forces could be focused on stopping anyone from getting away.
 
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Bohnenpflanzer said:
Is there a difference between Old Ones and Outsiders? I always thought that they are more ore less the same, just that one is a bit more powerful than the other. And that some Old Ones aren´t outside, but locked away in Creation.
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1)Outsiders serve the Old Ones as far as we know.
2)Outsiders can be summoned into reality, Old Ones can not.
3)Ignorance of their existence weakens the ability of Old Ones to affect our reality, hence the Oblivion War is aimed at making people forget about their existence totally. The Outsiders otoh have been besieging the Outer Gates for millenia; the fact that most people dont know about them hasnt affected their ability to wage war at all.
 
uju32 said:
Also, senior Outsiders dont come at the beck and call of just anyone.
Its like borrowing money from a bank; they dont loan serious money to people who they havent done background checks on, or have a preexisting relationship with. Lord Skavis was already in deep with them from this performance.
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Well, to be fair, we are present. And they might not know that we have a spirit killer yet.
 
[x] Ignore the guards, kill that thing now
-[x] [Stunt] Doing your best Obi-wan impression, you answer him with: "You did this to yourself." You then use one of the guards as a springboard to somersault right in the middle of them all, your aura promising death to all that approach, the eyes in it vigilant to any and all attacks they could try to send your way.
 
I mean if you really want a Obi-Wan quote their is an obvious one.

Fly up into the air and say "It's over [], I have the high ground"

In fact if they don't have long range weapons that really would make it over as we can throw them around at our leisure.
 
Alratan said:
It's the exception that proves the rule, because it's the distinguishing capability that Abyssals have that no one else does
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That phrase has been inverted from its original meaning. You don't improve the validity of a rule by demonstrating its flaws than you improve the bouncy of a boat by shooting holes in it.

Every spirit killer works differently, and there isn't anything saying Abyssals are any more exclusive in their effect than anyone else.

I'm not talking about anyone using exalted charms anyway, just demonstrating that effects exist and there constitute an option when building big league players. Assuming the setting is beneath us when exalts have been scaled down to fit it is a mistake.

Alratan said:
I think Lara's already done that by destroying the leadership of the other Houses.

And Thomas has the bloodline legitimacy to be White King.
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He has no personal legitimacy, or any political connections to hang onto across the court. Lara has been successfully playing White Queen for long enough she has a chance at this; we know she made it work in canon at least giving her better chances than most.

She also isn't going for Malvora the same way.

He's an obvious plant from what would look like a civil war where Raith called up the Thousand Hells and Skavis bet on Outsiders before both lost control of their "tools".

If we don't have an established insider we don't have influence; we're in a similar (but less strongly influential) position with Lara that she is with Constantine.
 
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