Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Point proven, Lydia wins the encounter, no need to push it further. And Lydia gets a pet?

[X] Let the judgement go through
 
On a different point, in hindsight this plan really looks kinda stupid, doesn't it?

The talent-killers are deliberatly provoking the White Council with their actions while being a relativly weak sub-faction of the White Court.

Sure, they propably can't spare a heavy hitter to deal with you during the Red Court war, but what if they can?
What if the White Council decides that the serial-murder of Talents is threatening their substance and future and they should make an example even at the cost of taking a loss against the Reds somewhere else?

Then someone like McCoy or Joseph would kill a dozen Whamps and the conspiators lost hard.

The White Court is then pulled more to the monster side of the magical community and forced to defend itself against the White Edit: Council as their pride demands.

Either way it is another chink in the barriers that defend creation. Remember the White Court is part of the Oblivion War.
 
[X] Let the judgement go through

Good thing Lydia's essence regen is right at midnight, she can indulge herself a little.
 
OOC: If it comes to a duel Lydia is going to choose Flesh and try to beat this guy up with her bare hands.
Try? This guy is a juice box with three essence inside, I figure the hardest part of this would managing all the ruffled feathers after the vamps at large get caught in the splash zone of supernatural epic meal time staring one of their own.

More than likely she had expected you do do something before it came to a duel challenge.
In fairness, pragmatically speaking we probably should have. We're juggling knives right now and this is a surprise firecracker straight to the face from Lara's perspective.

But we're talking about exalts here, this stuff wasn't going to fly and if this is the biggest deviation from the plan tonight Molly and Lydia will be the best behaved circle to ever live.
 
On a different point, in hindsight this plan really looks kinda stupid, doesn't it?

The talent-killers are deliberatly provoking the White Council with their actions while being a relativly weak sub-faction of the White Court.

Sure, they propably can't spare a heavy hitter to deal with you during the Red Court war, but what if they can?
What if the White Council decides that the serial-murder of Talents is threatening their substance and future and they should make an example even at the cost of taking a loss against the Reds somewhere else?

Then someone like McCoy or Joseph would kill a dozen Whamps and the conspiators lost hard.
since some of them are probably outsider stuff surviving may not of been part of the long term goal so much as crippling the white council.
 
The White Court is then pulled more to the monster side of the magical community and forced to defend itself against the White Edit: Council as their pride demands.

Either way it is another chink in the barriers that defend creation. Remember the White Court is part of the Oblivion War.
Kinda, but that doesn't help the conspirators if they are ashes.

I'm not saying their plan couldn't have caused a lot of damage, I'm saying it was stupid for them personally, to make powerful enemies that can and will kill them over what they did.
 
Kinda, but that doesn't help the conspirators if they are ashes.

I'm not saying their plan couldn't have caused a lot of damage, I'm saying it was stupid for them personally, to make powerful enemies that can and will kill them over what they did.

What do their masters care? I am not saying there are no spoons long enough to sup with the devil... but this lot in particular probably do not have any.
 
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Kinda, but that doesn't help the conspirators if they are ashes.

I'm not saying their plan couldn't have caused a lot of damage, I'm saying it was stupid for them personally, to make powerful enemies that can and will kill them over what they did.

We don't even know if this is their plan or if they have been mentally compromised.
 
Hmm, the guy did kinda attack Lydia with Dread Gaze.
We might want to argue for a compensation.

After all, we want to discurage that, just because Lydia's block looked effortless doesn't mean it was, her Essence Pool remains quite low.
 
Hmm, the guy did kinda attack Lydia with Dread Gaze.
We might want to argue for a compensation.

After all, we want to discurage that, just because Lydia's block looked effortless doesn't mean it was, her Essence Pool remains quite low.
The problem is that we'd be obligating our nominal ally to fight with us over something we don't act need as a result of a situation she thinks we should have been competent enough to avoid getting into.

We chose to got ahead with it on purpose, but complicating our own operation and annoying someone we're at least trying to get along with us counterproductive.

If we want to make a point we should use cyber devils and the crown to get information to screw the guy's life up instead of demanding compensation here.
 
I am really tempted to escalate, but in the end of the day we are not here for him, the encounter is basically won and escalating can backfire significantly.
Thus, for now:

[X] Let the judgement go through

This said, I am open for arguments.
 
The biggest question is - does Lydia needs a slave (because let's be honest, that's what Lara is offering, and that's what the woman is), and would the woman go right back to this guy if Lydia cut her loose? If the answer to the first question is no, and to the second yes, then this is essentially creating nothing but trouble for Lydia
 
The biggest question is - does Lydia needs a slave (because let's be honest, that's what Lara is offering, and that's what the woman is), and would the woman go right back to this guy if Lydia cut her loose? If the answer to the first question is no, and to the second yes, then this is essentially creating nothing but trouble for Lydia
That's a problem for Lydia to solve and I am confident she can solve it.
I like it when she does things outside of supporting us.
 
That's a problem for Lydia to solve and I am confident she can solve it.
I like it when she does things outside of supporting us.
What I am saying is that Lara's offer of restitution is nothing of the sort. She's offering Lydia something she very likely doesn't want and that would cause her trouble. It's like if you had a fight with your neighbor, and they tried to give you a bag of cocaine as a peace offering. Is cocaine valuable? Yes. Do you want it? Likely (I hope) no.
 
What I am saying is that Lara's offer of restitution is nothing of the sort. She's offering Lydia something she very likely doesn't want and that would cause her trouble. It's like if you had a fight with your neighbor, and they tried to give you a bag of cocaine as a peace offering. Is cocaine valuable? Yes. Do you want it? Likely (I hope) no.

Molly is quite sure Lydia does not want to be handed a person and finds it very weird, but it is punishment for Charles and presumably she can just be let go. It's not like the White Court has any authority on Lydia herself.
 
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Molly is quite sure Lydia does not want to be handed a person and finds it very weird, but it is punishment for Charles and presumably she can just be let go. It's not like the White Court has any authority on Lydia herself.
That's true. The issue is - Lara is probably smart enough to realize that Lydia doesn't want a slave, unless she very badly misread us and bungled intelligence gathering stage. So, she can expect Lydia to let the woman go almost immediately. At which point, what's stopping the woman from going right back to Charles?
 
OOC: If it comes to a duel Lydia is going to choose Flesh and try to beat this guy up with her bare hands

I'm not sure it will be a try, but hey, he might surprise me.

His social grace didn't yet, but maybe he's a musclehead.

Sure, they propably can't spare a heavy hitter to deal with you during the Red Court war, but what if they can?
What if the White Council decides that the serial-murder of Talents is threatening their substance and future and they should make an example even at the cost of taking a loss against the Reds somewhere else?

Then someone like McCoy or Joseph would kill a dozen Whamps and the conspiators lost hard.

Which, at the end of the day, is pretty much what's happening there, and while I don't know much about canon, I do know this plot was overthrown, so it basically happened there too, Harry is affiliated with the white council after all.

Lydia is super confused

Love this roll, and the subtitles are great too.

tonight Molly and Lydia will be the best behaved circle to ever live.

*three minutes later*



At which point, what's stopping the woman from going right back to Charles?

Us using some social on her to help?

Really, it's that simple.
 
That's true. The issue is - Lara is probably smart enough to realize that Lydia doesn't want a slave, unless she very badly misread us and bungled intelligence gathering stage. So, she can expect Lydia to let the woman go almost immediately. At which point, what's stopping the woman from going right back to Charles?
I agree with you, but in that case, if after Lydia releases her and she goes back to Charles? Well, it's not really Lara's problem is it? After all it would be Lydia who chose to release this person without some form of guarantee not to go back to him.

Great situation for Lara (punishes Charles and puts the responsibility of caring for this woman on Lydia and out of her hands) bad for Lydia (either stay in a situation you don't like or spend time and resources to ensure the situation doesn't come back to stay same as the beginning).
 
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