Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Hellscry Chakra is interesting in social combat because it doesn't give bonuses to rolls it just bypasses them. Roll a hundred successes on Subterfuge to hide your emotions and Molly doesn't care because Hellscry Chakra doesn't give a subterfuge check to resist. In fact the difficulty of the check doesn't even care about the target it is just set to a default of 6.

Actually in the counter factual situation that another Infernal had Hellscry Chakra I can't see any way for Molly to hide her emotions. Perfect mental defense doesn't apply because it isn't an attack. It isn't shaping. It isn't any kind of attack.
 
[X]Plan Swimming With Sharks
-[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
--[X]All Things Betray: 1wp
--[X]Hellscry Chakra: 1m Essence
--[X]STUNT: You cock your head at his statement "Oh? Have you now?" You feel rather than see the weight of Lydia's presence beside you as you bend the weight of your attention on this man, senses occult and mundane sharpening even as the porticullis of your mind slammed down. You arch an eyebrow at the man, an invitation to share, to demonstrate the breath of his knowledge."Only memorable things I hope."

SPENT: 1wp, 1m

STATUS
Essence: 14/15 Essence
Willpower: 7/9 Willpower

EFFECTS

Impervious Primacy Mantle: Thought and emotion magic immunity
Demonic Primacy of Essence: -2 DC to social interactions with lesser Creatures of Darkness
All Things Betray: -3 DC to all Perception rolls for the rest of the scene
Hellscry Chakra: See aura of Creatures of Darkness
 
Personally, I don't think this encounter with Vittorio justifies spending any Essence or Willpower so early in the evening. The night is very young, after all, and we know that things are going to get very heated before everything is said and done.
 
Personally, I don't think this encounter with Vittorio justifies spending any Essence or Willpower so early in the evening. The night is very young, after all, and we know that things are going to get very heated before everything is said and done.
Scene long charms aren't so great a cost. In fact in general it makes sense to do 2 of them every scene in case we learn a secret or get a minion. Of course I don't like spending willpower.
 
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I ask again, who gives a shit?
We acknowledged what he set up. That hasn't bound us to a particular approach going forward, that was the point of this vote.
If Im understanding your argument correctly, you are worried concerned about how our initial encounter looks.
Which means we do give a shit about how things appear to whatever watchers are out there.

We stopped. We initiated engagement. We voted to initiate engagement.
Going from more or less meaningless social flammery to intimidation without so much as a stop in between or any sort of inciting behavior is not conducive to our goal of appearing to be not just powerful but also rational and predictable.

Being erratic is certainly a possible choice, but it also limits our social options.
We're not Dresden.


EDIT
Also, we quite literally have an agent of two major bad guy factions here.
Both an apprentice of Cowl, who was associated with the Kemmlerites, and someone who was possessed by an Outsider in canon.
Failing to take the opportunity to confirm it would be a big whiff.

Hellscry Chakra is interesting in social combat because it doesn't give bonuses to rolls it just bypasses them. Roll a hundred successes on Subterfuge to hide your emotions and Molly doesn't care because Hellscry Chakra doesn't give a subterfuge check to resist. In fact the difficulty of the check doesn't even care about the target it is just set to a default of 6.

Actually in the counter factual situation that another Infernal had Hellscry Chakra I can't see any way for Molly to hide her emotions. Perfect mental defense doesn't apply because it isn't an attack. It isn't shaping. It isn't any kind of attack.
The one option that comes to my mind is Black Mirror.
Use that to hide or camouflage our aura, and force the other Infernal into either an Essence rolloff or a Perception vs Subterfuge rolloff.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Jul 1, 2023 at 10:46 PM, finished with 52 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
    -[X] Intimidation excellency
    -[X] [Stunt]: For a moment the cold seems to bite a bit deeper, the shadows draw a bit longer, as an almost catlike look of evaluation crosses Molly's face. To a white vampire the question 'food, toy, tool?' might as well have been shining from her eyes.
    —[X] "You know, I can't say the same. The night is young though, maybe you'll make an impression."
    [X] Move on
    -[X] Much to your surprise you can see Leinth near one of the outdoor shrines, he actually seems to be giving a libation
    [X]Plan Swimming With Sharks
    -[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
    --[X]All Things Betray: 1wp
    --[X]Hellscry Chakra: 1m Essence
    --[X]STUNT: You cock your head at his statement "Oh? Have you now?" You feel rather than see the weight of Lydia's presence beside you as you bend the weight of your attention on this man, senses occult and mundane sharpening even as the porticullis of your mind slammed down. You arch an eyebrow at the man, an invitation to share, to demonstrate the breath of his knowledge."Only memorable things I hope."
    [X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
    -[X] Etiquette excellency
    -[X] STUNT: "All good, I hope", you say easily, as you extend your arm to be kissed, as would be proper for a gentleman of high standing meeting a noble lady, or even a foreign queen.
    [X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
    -[x] If you have reason to think the is trying to do any sort of mental manipulation make it seem like you are resisting, but act if it is taking effort on your part maybe you can get a few Wamps to exhaust themselves against your perfect mental defenses
    -[x]Spend one essence to activate Hellscry Chakra.
 
This guy is important and I was expecting to spend some essence on socials and Hellscry since we are dealing with White Court and actually care about them in a "lesser evil I have to tolerate for now" sort of way.
[X]Plan Swimming With Sharks
 
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The one option that comes to my mind is Black Mirror.
Use that to hide or camouflage our aura, and force the other Infernal into either an Essence rolloff or a Perception vs Subterfuge rolloff.
Yes Black Mirror should be able to make us appear to not be a COD in which case HC doesn't apply. In which case no roll off defensive effects always trump for Exalted in case of perfect effects.
[X]Plan Swimming With Sharks
[X] Move on
-[X] Much to your surprise you can see Leinth near one of the outdoor shrines, he actually seems to be giving a libation

[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
-[x] If you have reason to think the is trying to do any sort of mental manipulation make it seem like you are resisting, but act if it is taking effort on your part maybe you can get a few Wamps to exhaust themselves against your perfect mental defenses
-[x]Spend one essence to activate Hellscry Chakra.
 
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Heya all, I wanted to ask something about the quest A sword without hilt and i dont wanna necro so Im going to ask here.

Is there a way to see the character sheet? I like reading those but the one on the informational page doesnt seem to work... Any way to see it?
 
[X]Plan Swimming With polite Sharks
-[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
--[X] Etiquette excellency: 1m Essence
--[X] All Things Betray: 1wp
--[X] Hellscry Chakra: 1m Essence
--[X] STUNT: You cock your head at his statement "Oh? Have you now?" You feel rather than see the weight of Lydia's presence beside you as you bend the weight of your attention on this man, senses occult and mundane sharpening even as the porticullis of your mind slammed down. You arch an eyebrow at the man, an invitation to share, to demonstrate the breath of his knowledge."Only memorable things I hope."


While he isn't an elder, this is our first interaction of the evening, and we need to set a good impression. So, etiquette excellency.
 
While he isn't an elder, this is our first interaction of the evening, and we need to set a good impression. So, etiquette excellency.
We have 5 dots and it a key skill with DC reductions what do you think more than 5 successes in etiquette can possibly get us?
 
[X]Plan Swimming With Sharks
-[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
--[X]All Things Betray: 1wp
--[X]Hellscry Chakra: 1m Essence
--[X]STUNT: You cock your head at his statement "Oh? Have you now?" You feel rather than see the weight of Lydia's presence beside you as you bend the weight of your attention on this man, senses occult and mundane sharpening even as the porticullis of your mind slammed down. You arch an eyebrow at the man, an invitation to share, to demonstrate the breath of his knowledge."Only memorable things I hope."
 
Heya all, I wanted to ask something about the quest A sword without hilt and i dont wanna necro so Im going to ask here.

Is there a way to see the character sheet? I like reading those but the one on the informational page doesnt seem to work... Any way to see it?
There are character sheets for pretty much everyone of importance in ASWAH, unfortunately some pages got deleted or reshuffled at some point in the past and now all of the links for the sheets don't point to the correct post from what I can tell. They're still fairly close, though. You should be able to find them if you look at the thread pages close to where the link takes you.
 
[X]Plan Swimming With Sharks
-[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
--[X]All Things Betray: 1wp
--[X]Hellscry Chakra: 1m Essence
--[X]STUNT: You cock your head at his statement "Oh? Have you now?" You feel rather than see the weight of Lydia's presence beside you as you bend the weight of your attention on this man, senses occult and mundane sharpening even as the porticullis of your mind slammed down. You arch an eyebrow at the man, an invitation to share, to demonstrate the breath of his knowledge."Only memorable things I hope."
 
We stopped. We initiated engagement. We voted to initiate engagement.
Going from more or less meaningless social flammery to intimidation without so much as a stop in between or any sort of inciting behavior is not conducive to our goal of appearing to be not just powerful but also rational and predictable.

Being erratic is certainly a possible choice, but it also limits our social options.
We're not Dresden.
It isn't erratic, and you're framing things as if this vote we're having right now has already closed.

The point of this vote is to let us pick the tone. Stopping to talk was the default because being deflected or literally walking over him were stronger specific choices and the scene paused to let us vote on our response to him challenging our little march into the party.

Disagree with my approach if you like, but I find this line of reasoning on how we've already implicitly accepted yours and anything else would be a startling deviation annoying.
 
And the vote is... nearly a three way tie. I think I might leave this up until tomorrow since I am not sure if I would be able to to this justice while this tired anyway.

Normally I would to an informational post, but we are in the middle of a conversation not actual combat so how about an interlude?
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 2, 2023 at 12:33 PM, finished with 64 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X]Plan Swimming With Sharks
    -[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
    --[X]All Things Betray: 1wp
    --[X]Hellscry Chakra: 1m Essence
    --[X]STUNT: You cock your head at his statement "Oh? Have you now?" You feel rather than see the weight of Lydia's presence beside you as you bend the weight of your attention on this man, senses occult and mundane sharpening even as the porticullis of your mind slammed down. You arch an eyebrow at the man, an invitation to share, to demonstrate the breath of his knowledge."Only memorable things I hope."
    [X] Move on
    -[X] Much to your surprise you can see Leinth near one of the outdoor shrines, he actually seems to be giving a libation
    [X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
    -[X] Intimidation excellency
    -[X] [Stunt]: For a moment the cold seems to bite a bit deeper, the shadows draw a bit longer, as an almost catlike look of evaluation crosses Molly's face. To a white vampire the question 'food, toy, tool?' might as well have been shining from her eyes.
    —[X] "You know, I can't say the same. The night is young though, maybe you'll make an impression."
    [X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
    -[x] If you have reason to think the is trying to do any sort of mental manipulation make it seem like you are resisting, but act if it is taking effort on your part maybe you can get a few Wamps to exhaust themselves against your perfect mental defenses
    -[x]Spend one essence to activate Hellscry Chakra.
    [X]Plan Swimming With polite Sharks
    -[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
    --[X] Etiquette excellency: 1m Essence
    --[X]All Things Betray: 1wp
    --[X]Hellscry Chakra: 1m Essence
    --[X]STUNT: You cock your head at his statement "Oh? Have you now?" You feel rather than see the weight of Lydia's presence beside you as you bend the weight of your attention on this man, senses occult and mundane sharpening even as the porticullis of your mind slammed down. You arch an eyebrow at the man, an invitation to share, to demonstrate the breath of his knowledge."Only memorable things I hope."
 
Arc 8 Interlude 1: Pieces Sliding in Place
Pieces Sliding in Place

13th of November 2006 A.D.

Contrary to what most of his associates and some of hie foes even might say Gentleman Johnny Marcone did not get to be master of Chicago's underbelly by being the most ruthless son of a bitch between Roger's Park and Southshore, nor by being the most thrifty with men and money, the best hand at bribing, though in his estimation those skills came closer. It was because he was not in the habit of underestimating people... ever. So when he found out that a vampire high in in the family, the royal family was running a salon his first thought was not useless 'useless layabout' or 'keeping someone who bats for the other team out of the limelight', both of which he had seen old school mafiosos do. He was missing something... as it happens he was missing the way life-leech vampires fed. Thomas Raith was apparently one for... sustainable husbandry rather than the pattern of long term feeding leaving lives broken and cut short that was the norm of his sort.

Someone who he could be business with, the crime lord concluded, especially if he was estranged from his family. Alas his hints at a partnership had fallen on deaf ears and he could respect that, you don't push people into the 'business', that is how you end up pushed out windows. But not pushing wasn't the same as turning a blind eye, things could after all change

Then things had changed and not in an altogether comfortable way

Two months ago things had changed, a new business Chicago Synthetics, working with artificial diamonds, which to anyone who had more of a sniff of crime than a pulling babe said either scam or smuggling. Since it did not look to be fishing for investors it seemed to be more likely the latter than the former. Another man in Marcone's place might have gotten upset at the gal of someone trying to set up smuggling in something as flashy as diamonds on his turf, but Thomas was new to side of the city, even if not as young as he appeared

So he had ordered surveillance for the properties associated with the company white he went digging around city hall for people who could tell him more about it, or lean on the regulatory authorities. What they had found was 'Supergirl' as his organization had come to referring to Miss Carpenter following Gard's first report on her and Hendriks' suggestion that calling a seventeen year old girl 'Superman' would just confuse people. So the operative had gone radio silent, thrown their phone in the nearest dumpster and had an in person debrief.

Phone calls were made, favors were called in, the kind of people who both dealt in diamonds and the company of Johnny Marcone were wined and dined to suitably expensive standards to get them talking. In one case it was a wilderness retreat to one of those places that cost such an ungodly sum to bring all the comforts of civilization to the middle of the woods that John wondered why anyone would bother. But he got his answers, the diamonds were genuine and most likely not made by any mundane means given that Chicago Synthetics was not drawing anywhere near the amount of energy it should, leaving aside the industrial machinery, trained technicians which it seemed to lack. Pulling any harder on that thread was liable to precipitate a confrontation so instead he started looking for where the money might be spent

It wasn't the first time John had to identify a target he could not afford to directly tail. It almost made him feel nostalgic. Schoolgirls even schoolgirls with 'near-divine power and authority' did not follow proper op-sec. She had used the path up in the old meat-packing plant to get up and down to Undertown multiple times to get good, amenities, supplies down there.

It had not taken Gard a long time to find the Jade Dogs though it had taken him a moment to realize what he was looking at. Bloody medieval manuscripts on ghouls. A phantom pain passes his temple. Even translated into proper English they were still eight tenths bullshit by weight.

"She is exposing them to humans, especially the weak and the helpless as a way to train them out of opportunistic predation like Raith has been living," he formulated his thoughts aloud to Gard who nodded, but also offered the same warnings she had before about a direct confrontation.

John snorted. "I don't want to fight her. Why should I? We neither claim undertown nor lose anything out of the diamond buisness. I want to make her a proposal. After all if she can work with cannibals what's a few made guys"

OOC: I did make rolls but you guys do not get to see them since they would be rather spoiler-y.
 
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