Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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The weather in Dresdenverse is not analogous to RL since that little snow-scapade was not an isolated incident, people mess with the weather all the time, not just the fey, even wizards and sorcerers can. In fact I think it would be common enough that the science of meteorology would not be as well regarded as in the real world.
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That is kinda funny, kinda uncomfortable.
Imagine being a meteorologist, having a clear weather pattern, and then Mab gets mad and it snows, or Summer lasts longer than it should because the Winter Knight has been on ice for a few years by now and so the Court is weakened, or Nick tries his latest attempt at ending the world and burning hail is just a minor side-effect, ect...
Imagine being a meteorologist, having a clear weather pattern, and then Mab gets mad and it snows, or Summer lasts longer than it should because the Winter Knight has been on ice for a few years by now and so the Court is weakened, or Nick tries his latest attempt at ending the world and burning hail is just a minor side-effect, ect...
Yeah it is one of the reasons why the masquerade can never quite be airtight on a government level, there are literally centuries of data that do not fit with what should be there and it only gets more and more clear as the instruments get better. One of the most important jobs of the Library of Congress is keeping a lid on that... and as a consequence they have hired quite a few meteorologists with a grudge over the years.
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How do people know "what should be"?Yeah it is one of the reasons why the masquerade can never quite be airtight on a government level, there are literally centuries of data that do not fit with what should be there and it only gets more and more clear as the instruments get better. One of the most important jobs of the Library of Congress is keeping a lid on that... and as a consequence they have hired quite a few meteorologists with a grudge over the years.
If the data is and always was faulty, the conclusions should be too.
The meterological model of the world should be different from that of our world, with a far greater base assumption of chaotic elements in it.
A meteorologist from our world, that has learned our patterns, would assume that something is wrong, but one from Dresden Files can't reach that conclusion.
It's like if gravity worked as it does roughly 90% of the time and the other ten things stayed afloat for a bit, we would have a totally different model of physics, gravitational forces and so on.
That is s a fair point... still keeping the pissed off meteorologist Librarian character, just without the creeping dread all of his adult life that something is wrong, the revelation will have been much more abrupt.
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No, you are wrong.
We wiped out smallpox by the late 1970s. Globally. Around the world. At a time when the workings of vaccines were much less understood. We almost wiped out polio.
The idea that its scarier than dying painfully of infectous disease doesnt hold water.
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MoEP Alchemicals pg 64
CoCD Autochtonia p8
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CoCD Autochtonia p111
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Advanced metallurgy? Even basic material science can be a pain.
The safer, cheaper Kroll Process only completely replaced the more expensive Hunter process for refining titanium in the 1990s, and it(Kroll Process) was invented back in the 1940s. Something being known or possible doesnt mean its commercially viable at that point in time until the rest of the... everything else catches up, from technology to conservative attitudes.
No it does not.
Very few people or organizations develop technology to uplift society. They do so to solve a problem, or much more often to make money or achieve power and social acclaim. Uplifting society is most often an incidental effect.
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I dont mind uplift quests.
Ive participated in and enjoyed a bunch of them, from Driven By Apathy's late and lamented Gestalt Quest set in Warhammer 40k, to Cerillian's Eclipse Phase/Posleen Quest for the real OG's around here.
Almost all scifi.
And they generally try to avoid real world political analogues for good reason.
Doubt it.
Both because he hasnt known Molly that long, and he's not quite so comfortable with her as to tweak her nose.
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Worth remembering also that every specific project we are publicly associated with is an additional attack surface for our foes to come at us through, to damage or to distract us. And uplift projects are big, with lots of moving parts, and are often opposing entrenched interests.
Its doable.
We'll see when we have the money at hand.
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Except no, that's wrong.
We have Brawl 0, it's not a key ability. So, total dicepool of 4, and 1s subtract successes.
And? It's still uplifting society.
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Except, again, no. It's just history and facts. Anti-vaccine movement always existed. The question is how much effort was put into vaccination effort, and how many laws and pressures were applied.
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The version on the Frontpage just says INT+Occult, so I thought we are getting the homebrewed version?
Not a fan of it personally, but if it's on there, it looks like DP has decided.
No? Different applications. Read below the table:
Specifically I let you guys substitute Melee for Brawl (telekinetic chains and the like) so Molly would use Occult.
Ok then
[X] Plan Vader
-[X] All things Betray with Willpower, Occult excellency, Intimidation Excellency, Mind-Hand Manipulation
-[X] Break the rifle, then strangle the sniper, and hold them in place
-[X] Send Harry and Thomas to detain the sniper while you hold them
-[X] Stunt: As the world around you sharpens into near-painful clarity, you step from under the roof of the building and into a wet November snow. Your head rises sharply, and you peer directly down the scope of the rifle you can now clearly discern. This is a message, and one that the you convey clearly with your eyes, face, movement, daring the unfortunate soul to pull the trigger, and knowing that they can't. Not just for fear of you, but because in that instance, you have already seized their weapon, and them besides, an unseen chains forged from your will strangle them, as you slowly, deliberatly lift your hand in their direction, and speak: "Harry, Thomas, there's a pest right there. Would you be so kind to go get them, so we can learn where they came from?".
Difference from uju: no beating them into unconsciousness, intimidation excellency, and trying to stunt in bad weather for BSM. This is all to set up interrogation.
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If you guys are going to stunt weather that will not give you the extra dice, just to be clear. It is reasonable that the weather would still be wet and thus get you BSM but making it so uses up your reserves of Rule-of-Cool for the scene, -1 or extra dice not both.
Because societal uplift is not the goal, but a side effect. Any improvements done are incidental to the actual purposes.
Again, smallpox.
If the vaccination campaign was not broadly popular, no amount of effort would have achieved anything.
Especially in the developing world.
I'm fine with that.
I'll rather take a -1DC reduction over +2 dice.
Here, 2 seconds of google.
And? I honestly don't see your argument at all.
Edit: if the ergument is "trying to improve living condition / advance humanity cannot be profitable", I wholeheartedly reject it
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I don't think it is. The point is that there's a minimum buy in to do so in particular ways.
If we want to control and profit from the process that's got costs that need paid, and if you do it right then you get all the wild rewards back.
Just advancing tech without regard to if we are a principle beneficiary doesn't involve those concerns, but it does mean we get less of a slice of the pie and have fewer means to object if people do unpleasant stuff with what we produce.
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I bet there are more than a few disillusioned meteorologists who have just gone completely off the deep end because of weather manipulation shenanigans. The better predictive methods and models become at forecasting regular weather patterns and events, the worse the deviations would seem when someone exerts power to fuck with the system.Yeah it is one of the reasons why the masquerade can never quite be airtight on a government level, there are literally centuries of data that do not fit with what should be there and it only gets more and more clear as the instruments get better. One of the most important jobs of the Library of Congress is keeping a lid on that... and as a consequence they have hired quite a few meteorologists with a grudge over the years.
I wonder what's more common among them? I can see there being several factions that try to explain the unnatural weather; radical climate change, alien intervention, government weather control experiments, and even glitches in the Matrix. Funnily enough, the "capricious Fey with power to alter the weather at will" theory is probably the least likely to have any adherents.
Capricious fey, wizards with power over matter and forces, weather working talents like Maria, Black and Jade Court Elder... and of of course dragons as well, can't forget it when the storm is in fact a sentient force of nature and wants to thunder over there instead of over here.
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So does that mean the Library has a conspiracy theory board somewhere trying to do massive data set analysis on what the supernatural is up to without being obvious about it?Capricious fey, wizards with power over matter and forces, weather working talents like Maria, Black and Jade Court Elder... and of of course dragons as well, can't forget it when the storm is in fact a sentient force of nature and wants to thunder over there instead of over here.
Big Data Divination doesn't care about your wards.
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Probably some spirits too though no idea how limited to act they are. Gods too obviously but its probably only in specific circumstances since you know highly restricted.Capricious fey, wizards with power over matter and forces, weather working talents like Maria, Black and Jade Court Elder... and of of course dragons as well, can't forget it when the storm is in fact a sentient force of nature and wants to thunder over there instead of over here.
Maybe. That is something you could ask about
Or, you know, people could have been forced to get vaccinated, like what happened, in fact.
But anyway, Yog is discussing an uplift plan and I really have no idea why it is even a problem, staying at the level we're at because it's the level we were at is a sentiment that I would love to see eradicated, and if we need to pull them up kicking and screaming all the way I say let them, but we're not stopping for them.
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This sniper is very likely mortal, guessing from his 5 dice for hiding and the fact that we are expecting mortals to be the problem.
We already know that a lesser skinwalker is better than that and most Whampires with decent DEX and a little bit Celerity should be too.
We don't need to go all out or show of a new power here, just fly over fast.
We already know that a lesser skinwalker is better than that and most Whampires with decent DEX and a little bit Celerity should be too.
We don't need to go all out or show of a new power here, just fly over fast.
All Things Betray with Willpower? Seems reasonable.