Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

A lot of these arguments are predicated on grave misunderstandings of how the real world economy works.

Technology companies hold press conferences for researchers and business analysts to explain how their technology works and what they expect to be upcoming. Businesses publish regular disclosures for stock analysts.
A lot of your financials and business workings come under scrutiny.

The idea you can just stick a bunch of cyberdevils in a sweatshop and no-one will ask questions about who or where or how is fantasy.
And not the good fantasy.
A lot of what you are saying is only valid for publicly traded companies, and a lot of it is wrong anyway. You are not, in fact, forced to disclose the code of your software if you are running a software company. You are not, in fact, required to disclose to anyone the secrets of your technologies at all - patents encourage that, but you don't patent the really juicy stuff, or you intentionally make it so one cannot recreate your technology from a patent.

And raw material trading is the rock bottom of the industrial supply pyramid for a reason. You want to be at the top. Ideally, you'd want to have presence on all levels, but that's when governments start to worry.

And if our kingdom is advanced by even half a century over 2006 world, we could totally corner the market on, like, a lot of stuff. From medical technology to computers, to software, to... Well, a lot of stuff.

And there's a reason to do this beyond nebulous "money and power". It all goes back to "humans deserve a sit at the table, and long term masquerade is harming humanity". I want to improve the world, and see the world improved, not just prevent it from ending.
 
[X] Let them stay -
Question, is this a simple banishment or using a spirit killing charm? IE, is Nemesis going to survive this?
 
I wonder if Mab would try to bargain to learn the spell, and if she's capable of using it. Having such a spell would remove us as a point of failure in reality's defense. I would be up for trying to teach her. @DragonParadox would we get a chance to offer before this is over?

If Mab can't learn it, it's in her interest to find other Ancient Sorcery and teach it to us, so we can make better protections against Nemesis.
[X] Let them stay -
Question, is this a simple banishment or using a spirit killing charm? IE, is Nemesis going to survive this?
Murder is Meat, which is our spirit killer, is a separate charm. With this, we'll remove it from Maeve, and it'll manifest bodily, at which point we'll have to proceed with nuclear hatefire swording.

EDIT: And I'm wrong. Ok.
 
And there's a reason to do this beyond nebulous "money and power". It all goes back to "humans deserve a sit at the table, and long term masquerade is harming humanity". I want to improve the world, and see the world improved, not just prevent it from ending.
I'm a much simpler person who could never understand this desire to increase humanity in various stories (I hate the more extreme versions, like the HFY genre) and I really don't think I'm going to like the work that will give to the players as for the QM if we go this route.

I like the version od Uju where we sell resources only because that way we can just concentrate on the money and invest in various other things. I prefer adventures and magic fights, find the treasure of the dragon that our father killed, investigate the NeverNever, do battles of intelligence against Nemesis, build a real fortress for our servants and us, build the god of Chicago and make the city ours, place CyberDemons in satellites(@DragonParadox can you put an action on the next turn where we finally create our CB spy network with the official networks and satellites? I've been wanting to do this for a while but the option doesn't appear), build a tank, warship and a submarine nuclear power plant, reclaims Lydia's Father's kingdom for her, etc.

Not so much in the bureaucratic and legal choices and struggles of this path of yours (although I still have the goal of creating a great law firm exclusive to us, our circle, family and friends that employs only creatures of the dark and is called Wolfram and Hart). If it was another story that had that premise then I would be excited to be a part of it.
 
I wonder if Mab would try to bargain to learn the spell, and if she's capable of using it. Having such a spell would remove us as a point of failure in reality's defense. I would be up for trying to teach her. @DragonParadox would we get a chance to offer before this is over?

If Mab can't learn it, it's in her interest to find other Ancient Sorcery and teach it to us, so we can make better protections against Nemesis.

Murder is Meat, which is our spirit killer, is a separate charm. With this, we'll remove it from Maeve, and it'll manifest bodily, at which point we'll have to proceed with nuclear hatefire swording.

EDIT: And I'm wrong. Ok.

You can certainly try to teach Ancient Sorcery to people. Molly is quite certain mortals cannot learn it, fey queens she does not know since she does not have deep lore about how the power of the Courts works.
 
[X] Let them stay

Nemesis as a complete entity will certainly survive, no matter what we do.
But we might spirit-kill the little part of it here.

I'm wondering just because it might be useful to stunt this with one of the Scriptures of the Maiden that seems most appropriate to screwing with it's mind.
 
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[X] Let them stay

Honestly? I want them to see it.
Basically everyone who really matters knows enough anyway, but let the wider audience see the new player.
 
@DragonParadox can you put an action on the next turn where we finally create our CB spy network with the official networks and satellites? I've been wanting to do this for a while but the option doesn't appear), build a tank, warship and a submarine nuclear power plant, reclaims Lydia's Father's kingdom for her, etc.

Sure I can do that, hopefully you will not have to remind me again, but if I do forget by the time we get to the turn vote do not hesitate to point it out again.
 
ON another note, if we do let them stay, then using MiM is basically breaking our promise to mom to be careful with it.
Eating part of an immortal outsider in front of some dozens of party-fey is the opposite of keeping a secret.
 
[X] Bid them go

The more unknown and mysterious our powers are, the less people will plan. A massive party of younger fae means gossip will spread without action.

Even knowing what we did, there is how we did it, and what kind of prep we needed.
 
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