It can if we want it to. Lots of vampire types of you take them down with lethal damage just go into torper.
Or we could get crown of Fury and other charms in our favor hells. Lots of ways in there to incapacitate.
Thats for WoD Kindred. Dunno if it applies here.
As far as I know, it hasnt applied for any Blacks, Reds or Whites in Dresdenverse canon.
Safe or practical for Rosie, a recovering drug addict teen mother-to-be with barely a dot in Oneiromancy, a fairly exotic Path, who has a ton of problems and doesn't much benefit from meeting them right now anyway, or is capable of bringing anything to the table on her own. Certainly not of giving shelter to others (one of the core duties of the order members).
We can push him to join, but we can't really make others accept him.
It would give us insight into his character and what he considers his greatest shame. Unless he's actually very honor-bound, I doubt "chose to save his own life in the face of certain doom for a chance to be with his love forever" would be it. Because that was a rational choice on his part.
=Rosie is the eighteen year old stepchild of an upper class management-type(seriously, the median home values of her suburb are ~ 3x the median home values of Chicago) with no living close friends besides Molly, a new Path, and a pregnancy due around January. Remove the rich part, and she's literally the sort of neophyte the Ordo Lebes/Cauldron was formed to inform and protect.
As opposed to J, who is a mid 20s/30s young man who had a stable professional life, fairly popular at his place of work, and knows his way around the spirit world enough to be knowingly dating a senri.
And is currently under the tutelage of a senior Shih monk. And has the number of an Infernal.
I mean, there's a nonzero chance that Anna knows who he is already by reputation.
She certainly knew one of the other shamans who got murdered in Chinatown.
=True.
=Insight into his character's greatest shame does not tell you if he is currently working for a Hell Lord.
Insight into Dresden's greatest shame wont tell you that he did deals with Mavra or owes Mab a favor, or that he has a Fallen's shadow in his head. Any more than Sanya's greatest shame would tell you anything about his current life as a Knight.
Its a useful charm, dont get me wrong, but dont expect it to do things its not meant to.
By the way are you against us having a real world nations population? Cause thats what yog has edited to his?
Im not the QM, so I dont get to rule for things like that.
But in my opinion, the populations of India and China should be a hard upper limit if you dont want to address uncomfortable questions about why the setting cares more about population of humans on Earth as opposed to the population of humans in the NeverNever. And it would be wiser to be significantly lower than that.
But thats my
opinion only.
1) ExWoD Infernals meta is based on keeping what they kill. It's why they don't get spirit killers in canon only ways of capturing and enslaving spirits and why they get so many ways of turning others into mind controlled/influenced minions. That's the way they're designed to play.
And it's a quite hard to kill a vampire if you try not to, at least in WoD. If we refrain from doing Agg we're also quite capable of bearing someone unconscious long enough to throw them in a Spawning Pit, including Sidhe and Red Court vampires.
2) And Harry gets captured all the time, and it's completely SOP for the Reds and Blacks to try to kidnap and turn wizards. So it very much is a setting where you keep what you kill.
The good guys don't have the right tools for it, but Molly the Infernal Exalted doesn't use the good guys' toolbox.
1)No it isnt.
Infernals can condemn victims to a Hell, but those become prisoners.
They get methods of converting enemies or neutrals into minions, but they always need their consent. Killing an enemy wont give you what they had. Killing the Will didnt suddenly give us a greater akuma as a minion.
Making something into a bakemono doesnt make it loyal; it can still betray you, its just harder.
Even the 5 dot charm
Spawning Pit Sanctification requires the consent of the victim; if they choose to die instead, or take their chances at escaping, you cant force them to change.
And remember that this isnt vanilla WoD. Black/Red/White Vampires here dont appear to have torpor.
We've seen Murphy kill Reds with sustained pistol fire. They are very hardy, but torpor due to damage does not appear to be a thing.
2) Its a thing for
Drakul to attempt to turn wizards for his miniboss squad after significant preptime. Other Blacks dont even try.
Nor has it been demonstrated that the Red Court has ever successfully turned a wizard; its a fear of the White Council, but not one that we ever see an example of. Even when Dresden showed up at Chitchen Itza.
3)Harry doesnt get captured all the time. Off the top of my head:
Storm Front: Not captured
Fool Moon: Captured by rogue FBI
Grave Peril: Captured by Red Court, accosted by Lea
Summer Knight: Not captured
Death Masks: Captured by Nicodemus
Blood Rites: Captured by Lord Raith
Dead Beat: Captured by Cassius
Proven Guilty: Ambushed by Madrigal Raith
White Night: Not captured
Turn Coat: Not captured
Changes: Arrested by FBI at home. Not captured
Ghost Story: Not captured
Cold Story: Not captured
Skin Games: Not captured
Peace Games: ???
Battlegrounds: ??
It was more common towards the earlier parts of his career. Much less so as he got older.
COMMENTARY
-It does speak to Exalted bullshit and teenage perceptions that Molly is covering topics that take normal Shih months and years of fulltime study to learn, and yet she thinks its slow.
I suspect Brother Devsimar would disagree.
-Point of order:
We bought Touch of Frost down to Molly just being cool to touch.
She shouldnt be freezing to touch.
-Lol Molly's indignation.
She WAS arrested for possession of marijuana and ecstasy, and sentenced to community service as a juvenile. That was the initial inciting event for the escalating social tensions between her and her mother prior to her leaving the house.
And the US is terrible at rehabilitating people who get caught in the criminal justice system.
So someone thinking that her prolonged disappearance = jailtime isnt unreasonable
Wrong, but nor unreasonable.
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