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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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BOTcommander said:
Okay, I have noticed something actually worth my ire.

What is this? This is not trade, especially the congoods one. Didn't know "GDI is near completely unwilling to make significant concessions" meant subsididzing Nod with GDI luxury items. We ought to be able to get a better price for that. At rates like this I'd rather trade Nod some railgun shells, at high speeds. Energy is like fine, Capital goods is meh, STU's is interesting, but where is the option to exchange congoods for STUs? That one I might actually argue for depending on the exchange rate. We give Nod chocolate and in exchange we hemmeroage their STU supply. How about Health for STUs? Ithillid, pls fix.
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We get +9 congoods a turn passively. We have an absurd +226 congoods currently. Generic congoods are cheaper than water for us - literally. (Water remains expensive.)
 
BOTcommander said:
What is this? This is not trade, especially the congoods one. Didn't know "GDI is near completely unwilling to make significant concessions" meant subsididzing Nod with GDI luxury items. We ought to be able to get a better price for that. At rates like this I'd rather trade Nod some railgun shells, at high speeds. Energy is like fine, Capital goods is meh, STU's is interesting, but where is the option to exchange congoods for STUs? That one I might actually argue for depending on the exchange rate. We give Nod chocolate and in exchange we hemmeroage their STU supply. How about Health for STUs? Ithillid, pls fix.
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I think the whole point is that RpT is the currency we're using for trade here, so if wanted congoods for STUs we'd sell congoods, and buy STUs with our new RpT.

...also, somehow, I don't think you're going to sell the warlords on giving us critical strategic materials in exchange for 'CHOCCO-47s, FOR EVERYOOOONE', no matter how amusing that image would be.
 
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[X] Plan Thinking With Portals

I'm just curious about enhanced tiberium harvest tech and what that research could lead to. The inhibitors are just the enhanced harvest tech plugged in backwards, and we already got thumped for using alien tech without understanding how it works.
 
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BOTcommander said:
Okay, I have noticed something actually worth my ire.

What is this? This is not trade, especially the congoods one. Didn't know "GDI is near completely unwilling to make significant concessions" meant subsididzing Nod with GDI luxury items. We ought to be able to get a better price for that. At rates like this I'd rather trade Nod some railgun shells, at high speeds. Energy is like fine, Capital goods is meh, STU's is interesting, but where is the option to exchange congoods for STUs? That one I might actually argue for depending on the exchange rate. We give Nod chocolate and in exchange we hemmeroage their STU supply. How about Health for STUs? Ithillid, pls fix.
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I mean, there's a reason we've generally been hesitant to do this.

Also, Nod isn't actually that rich, especially in stuff they can trade to us without Kane raising eyebrows (i.e. high tech weapon blueprints).

About the only one of the options that's seen much popularity is Consumer Goods for RpT, precisely because it's affordable. Of course, at the current exchange rate it's like -160 Consumer Goods and -85 Political Support for +1 STU, which is... well, actually now that I think about it, that probably isn't as far from being the going rate of exchange as you might think. :p
 
Blazblade said:
Ok, so what type of weapons is it using? Trying to come up with a good blurb for it.
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From Q3 2056:
Beginning at the nose, a remodeled sensor pod integrates the new, more effective, sensor system. Beneath that, a rapid fire railgun on a single axis turret provides capability for strafing runs, and more importantly a means of defense against the near omnipresent threat of Venoms. Wrapped around the cockpit are a number of panels of lightweight carbon fiber and boron carbide. These, along with lightening cuts and the integration of long chain carbon nanotubes have helped keep the weight down, despite all of the additions being made. Along the cheeks, a pair of modular weapons pods have been installed. While not particularly better than the previous model, these are compatible with the new universal rocket systems. Above them, tucked inside the engines, a pair of conformal tanks have been added. Behind that, a third drop tank is located under the tail, for even more range. While the third tank does make it far more difficult to fly, it also significantly increases total range.
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MightbeaMimic said:
10 Consumer Goods for 5R is the kind of exchange rate that makes me think the diplomat responsible needs sacking
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5 R is actually a lot of money. It only looks like a small amount of money because we're comparing it to a budget that's probably literally like 30% of total planetary GDP or something like that.

At reallocation, 18 months ago, 25% of GDI's GDP was enough to give treasury 655 RpT. There are four turns in a year, so that's a total amount of 2620 R. Thus, GDI's actual GDP was about 10400 R at the time.

Now, we agreed to 1200 RpT of income increase and have fulfilled 650 RpT of that, for an additional 2600 R worth of GDP, or 13000 R of gross domestic product, plus all private economy expansion in those 18 months that wasn't captured by taxation, which is probably nontrivial but not that big. The total might be something like 14000 R, tops, and GDI's share of gross world product is probably something like 70-80% (today in real life the G20 collectively have about 80% of it), so that in turn gives us a loose estimate for gross world product of about, oh, let's say 17000 or 18000 R. Maybe 17500.

Gross world product in 2020 dollars was about 84.7 trillion dollars, call it 84700 'gigadollars' to make the units comparable. So using this extremely rough approximation, that means that the equivalent relative value of a single R unit in GDI's economy versus that of dollars in a real world economy today-ish is something like:

(total world output)*(unit value) = (total world output)*(unit value)

17500 R = 84700 g$
175 R = 847 g$ (oh hey, divisible by seven!)
25 R = 121 g$
1 R = 4.84 g$

In short, given how rough my estimation process was, 1 R is between about, oh, 4.5 billion and 5 billion dollars.

A +5 RpT income stream is something in the vicinity of 90-100 billion dollars a year in trading income.

Now, +10 units of Consumer Goods per turn is a lot of raw stuff, materially speaking, but if you told me that the cash valuation of 40 units of Consumer Goods per year was around a hundred billion dollars, I wouldn't bat an eye.

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Note that I'm using a valuation that's purely relative. I'm saying that given the rough size of GDI's economy, 1 R is to us as five billion dollars is to the world at large today in real life. It's a very large sum of money. It's not enough to build a moon base or anything, but it's a lot of money.
 
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