Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Putting lore on the internet will still reach quite a few people.
I know it can't replace direct tutoring, but just brining people up to the basics and telling them how to find potential teachers for more is an important step.

Putting up important lore for those already deep in the know would be another interesting option, but not one we have to take right away.

As for the mobiles, I'm not sure why that is relevant. Few people have smartphones, but many have some kind of PC by now and media like Youtube are not really dependant on any specific device.
Not everyone who gets it will be people you want it to go to.
And once its out there, its a lot easier to duplicate and spread it around.
Not to mention to alter some parts in order to send people down dangerous paths.

Accessibility is not necessarily a good thing when it comes to Occult lore.
Dont get me wrong, there's certainly a place for writing and distributing a primer to the Occult/supernatural. I just seriously doubt that the Internet as it currently stands is that place.

The mobile phones are relevant because a lot of people who own cellphones do not have PCs at home.
Or a home internet subscription.
Or a home to put it in.
 
Not everyone who gets it will be people you want it to go to.
And once its out there, its a lot easier to duplicate and spread it around.
Not to mention to alter some parts in order to send people down dangerous paths.

Accessibility is not necessarily a good thing when it comes to Occult lore.
Dont get me wrong, there's certainly a place for writing and distributing a primer to the Occult/supernatural. I just seriously doubt that the Internet as it currently stands is that place.

The mobile phones are relevant because a lot of people who own cellphones do not have PCs at home.
Or a home internet subscription.
Or a home to put it in.
Home computers are just now close to their absolute height, the shift towards laptops, tablets and smartphones is coming.

I know not all people have a home or a PC, but there should be a large middle class and upwards in America right now that you can reach over the computer.

And we are particularly trying to hit younger people over the internet, if we go for primers.

I also think spreading occult lore in general is a good thing, but we've been there before.
 
Whether or not its wise,and I do question the wisdom of doing any such thing on electronic media?
The infrastructure does not (currently)exist.

Its 2006, not 2016. Google just bought Youtube in October. The Iphone and iOS only comes out in 2007, Android in 2008.
2G/GSM still has most of the mobile marketshare in the US, and 3G is still being introduced.
Broadband connectivity is much better than the 1990s, but vastly short of where it could be.

I will also point out that the printing press has existed for centuries, and yet printed text has failed to supplant personal tutoring as the main way to learn about these things.
Presumably, there's a reason for that.
It's not meant to (fully) supplant personal tutoring. It's meant to complement such. It's also, and primarily, meant to catch young talents. Imagine a teenager in 2006. They are starting to develop a magical gift. Assume that there are no established mages in their family (or they are kept in the dark about it). I would imagine that a large part of those teenagers would at least check the internet concerning their probblem / gift to find if there are others like them. And if they find Molly's introductory lectures (covering the Laws and giving some basic exercises at least), they are 1) much less likely to accidentally become warlocks, and b) much more likely to seek Molly out for contact and further lessons. At which point our minions can take over.
Accessibility is not necessarily a good thing when it comes to Occult lore.
Dont get me wrong, there's certainly a place for writing and distributing a primer to the Occult/supernatural. I just seriously doubt that the Internet as it currently stands is that place.
In terms of being easily findable by young unaffiliated talents, books are much worse than the internet. It's essentially the same issue as White Council is facing - large population, no established society, and tons of people falling through cracks. Internet is also a medium that is mostly missed by major factions that we can embed ourselves in relatively easily.

Yes, there are downsides to spreading occult lore. Occult primers, however, in my opinion, would be a firm net good. Especially if "don't break the laws because you'll go mad" is woven into them. Molly's lectures (Charisma + Occult with WHWH and a stunt, BSM and CCC prep) would on average roll 18 successes. This is firmly in the "greatest and most useful video you have ever watched, and one that profoundly changes your life" level.
The mobile phones are relevant because a lot of people who own cellphones do not have PCs at home.
Or a home internet subscription.
Or a home to put it in.
Libraries and internet cafes exist.
 
If you want large scale change it expression you want to get. Write up some of Micheal's adventures as children stories. 9xp to get 2 dots and the excellency give 10 dice with charisma 3. Use CCC and become the best author in the world.
 
The easiest way to scale is just get the training charms, train up people, and then have them train more people. People with exceptional talent can get training from Molly.
Our training charm doesn't allow trainees to boost their intelligence or charisma (which actually puts a huge dampener on the "teenage fomori ninja turtles" plan, and definitely means that we need Lydia's animal training charm). And it requires 1 mote used per trainee. And takes 7 days.
 
After two courses of training, he will only speak a selection of languages approved by the Infernal, and will learn the primary language among this approved list if he does not already speak it.

Can we teach a dog english?
 
Arc 6 Post 49: Clearing the Way
Clearing the Way

10th of October 2006 A.D.

There are, you find over the next few days, limitations to even the powers you have been bequeathed when it comes to renovations, for one you only have two hands and even running full tilt fast enough to make the wind whistle in the ear, you can only move them so fast. But that's OK you think, you have friends...

"Subjects," Usum points out, with the weary sigh of someone turning over in their sleep to get some obvious correction out of the way.

Whichever, point is the Jade Dogs provide plenty of hands to do manual labor with, but that just leads to another problem. When you had been working alone you could work with just a cart full of supplies and whatever you could scavenge down below, metal can be reformed, plastic can be recycled, even concrete can be ground down and reused. However now that you are working with regular people, most of whom do not have much experience in the restoring a subway station, you are going to need a lot more stuff to do it with. Paints, plural, varnish, glue, mortar, the list goes on and on.

"Yeah we are going to need an actual entrance all our own to get all this stuff down there," you conclude setting aside Clippy as her screen goes dark

"When I swore on to a dark power able to leash the Hunger 'contractor for a pile of boulders' is not what I had in mind," Isabela grumbles. She is the only one wearing overalls out of the two of you

"Lucky you we have far more exciting things to today, real-estate." You go on to explain Chicago Synthetics, the diamond trade and how you make your money, though you keep Thomas out of it, just in case she might have a change of heart about her loyalties. "We are going to buy some land on the old Southworks plot, there is a way down into Undertown there that's been cleared up recently."

The process is painless and discrete, the 'Margret Carver' look gets put to more serious work and if the people you are actually buying the land from thing you are some rich kid with a hobby once it becomes clear you are too young to hold power of attorney.

Not of course that you buy all the land. Blue Waters LLC holds vast swaths of what can now only be described as post industrial wasteland which they hold for potential resale and tax purposes more arcane than actual magic according to Clippy, but the point is no one will know or care about the trap door behind the rusting hulks of industrial material. All you have to do is make sure the lock you install is as sturdy in function as it is decrepit in form.

"You know that guy would totally have gone down a few thousand dollars," Isabela whispers as she empties the bowl of mints on the desk before leaving. "What? If he didn't want me to take them he shouldn't have left them out!"

You raise an eyebrow even as you give the slightly harried looking secretary a smile, enough to be remembered fondly, not so much as to be remembered well. "One I don't care about the money enough to haggle and two I could have gotten you more mints."

"What would have been the fun in that?" she laughs, wicked and free leaving you feeling a little envious but mostly worried.

"Is that what you want to do with your life, hunt mints?" you ask seemingly idly, though that could not be farther from the truth. Even though she has never killed anyone Isabela is by far the most dangerous of the vampires sworn to you, she has options if she ever gets bored, her great uncle at least is really fond of her, as much as an age steeped in death and treachery allows you imagine.

She stops dead as an ambulance passes by on the street, its wailing siren compressed then expanded no nothingness. "We are parasites you know, not just in how we feed, but in how our arts work. Even now, even with whatever you did it doesn't change the fundamentals. We would go mad pretending to be humans, as though the wolf set horns upon her head and tried to join a herd of goats."

"Mhm..." you hum. "A wolf's and animal you know, living in the woods with no thought past their next meal. Not the best comparison for someone who can walk, talk make tools all the stuff that goes into making this." Sweeping your left hand over the visage of Chicago in the fall from the street food cart to the pair of office workers animately talking about last night's football game to the elderly lady wearing enough flowers to keep a greenhouse in business for a week. "Seems better than the forest don't you think? Whether one is wolf or goat."

"They call it an urban jungle," she shoots back, weakly.

"Well then 'they' have very basic taste in metaphor," you shrug. "Come on let's get all this stuff down below..."

***​

13th of October 2006 A.D.

Much to your relief Isabela gets along well with most of the rest of the Jade Dogs, not to say she fits in, from the soles of her sneakers to the tip of her head shrouded under a grey hoodie it's clear she does not need a home in undertown, but she is willing to chat people up, her easy charm like a brisk morning rain. Might not go very deep but it is refreshing.

To be honest you had been worried how the other vampires would take her presence, but they seem if anything most eager for her company. It is almost painful to see how happy they are to meet someone who has never had a need to feed, someone who had the good fortune to not kill. It's a little hard to tell but you suspect it even makes Isabela herself uncomfortable at times, one would hope with how lightly she had taken the prospect of killing. By contrast Bones and Lockjaw are more standoffish, but nothing you would call a real problem. They just have a lot more experience with how White Court Vampires work.

So it might be a bit surprising hear her awkward cough behind you as you're reconnecting the pipes in the bathroom, but you put that down to the fact that you are scraping off and atomizing decades old feces. Not a lot of ways not to be awkward about it.

"So... er.. hypothetically what's the process for joining up for other vampires like me, I don't just mean White Court, but someone who still has connections up top, holds down a job the whole nine yards, just doesn't want to be bothered with whatever bullshit Madrigal Raith has cooked up. Not people who owe him Favors or anything..." You can hear the capitalization in the words. =

"Is this about someone in particular?" you ask intrigued, and truth be told happy to have an excuse to stop at least for the moment

"Yes, but they asked me to get a general feel for the conditions and bring it back to them before bringing it back to them." She pauses thoughtfully. "I'll tell on them if you want to, but I must advise that the loss of my own perceived trustworthiness among my peers will be worth more than the information itself."

Under what terms would you accept other White Court Vampires

[] Those who are willing to live without harming the mortals they feed upon and who will pledge to do enough services to maintain Mercy in Servitude

[] Those who are willing to take up your cause, even against the designs of the White Court, if they will pledge to you then their loialty shall be yours alone

[] Write in


OOC: I figured that it made sense to have Isabela meet the rest of your minions and also help along so as to maintain the charm.
 
I think really recruiting them, not just offering them MIS as a matter of real mercy might be a good start.

We will need minions in this world, not just Hell and I still have the impression that the White Court is the weakest major institution from which to peel of followers.
 
[X] Those who are willing to live without harming the mortals they feed upon and who will pledge to do enough services to maintain Mercy in Servitude
-[X] They would obviously have to swear not to purposely oppose you or scheme against you
-[X] That is, of course, the minimum commitment necessary to gain our favor. Those who are willing to pledge themselves more fully, to take up our causes as if they were their own and to set aside lesser obligations, stand to benefit far more in the fullness of time. Our power and resources continue to grow, and we will soon be able to offer rewards commensurate with that growth to those who earn them.
 
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[X] Those who are willing to live without harming the mortals they feed upon and who will pledge to do enough services to maintain Mercy in Servitude
-[X] They would obviously have to swear not to purposely oppose you or scheme against you
-[X] That is, of course, the minimum commitment necessary to gain our favor. Those who are willing to pledge themselves more fully, to take up our causes as if they were their own and to set aside lesser obligations, stand to benefit far more in the fullness of time. Our power and resources continue to grow, and we will soon be able to offer rewards commensurate with that growth to those who earn them.


We benefit from spreading MiS as widely as possible. Any vampire that's on MiS lowers the amount of damage to mortals. And it's a good "entry drug" for when we get a chance to mutate them into something new with MMP, Inner Devils unchained and Ancient Magic.
 
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-[X] They would obviously have to swear not to oppose you or scheme against you
Probably should include a purposely there unless we want to always announce our plans in advance.
[X] Those who are willing to live without harming the mortals they feed upon and who will pledge to do enough services to maintain Mercy in Servitude
-[X] They would obviously have to swear not to purposely oppose you or scheme against you
 
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I will let me be persuaded otherwise, but my first instinct is to say that the ones we recruit should be loyal to us and not just paying lip service.
 
[X] Those who are willing to take up your cause, even against the designs of the White Court, if they will pledge to you then their loyalty shall be yours alone

Let's get started, we are no longer a complete fledgeling.
I honestly doubt the Whites have much bigger guns than that Akuma was, though certainly more of them.
 
I can see benefits for both options. Which makes it very hard to vote. I will certainly change my vote immediately to avoid ties.

[X] Those who are willing to take up your cause, even against the designs of the White Court, if they will pledge to you then their loyalty shall be yours alone

I like this option mostly because it means that we because a power in our own right.
 
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I will let me be persuaded otherwise, but my first instinct is to say that the ones we recruit should be loyal to us and not just paying lip service.
Molly is pretty big on the whole Christian thing. Mercy for the sake of mercy is not so bad, especially if it saves lives.

I think people are overestimating the draw of not having to feed. Remember, feeding is one of their main pleasures. If they are willing to give up on that, they're probably decent enough to help out even if they aren't willing to utterly subordinate themselves.

Plus, free advertising.
 
[X] Those who are willing to live without harming the mortals they feed upon and who will pledge to do enough services to maintain Mercy in Servitude

Even if they aren't technically sworn to our cause, by virtue of wanting to keep MiS these vamps would have a massive incentive to at least keep us safe. Plus, this way we're directly decreasing the number of vamp-related incidents at a massive rate.
 
[X] Those who are willing to live without harming the mortals they feed upon and who will pledge to do enough services to maintain Mercy in Servitude
-[X] They would obviously have to swear not to oppose you or scheme against you
-[X] That is, of course, the minimum commitment necessary to gain our favor. Those who are willing to pledge themselves more fully, to take up our causes as if they were their own and to set aside lesser obligations, stand to benefit far more in the fullness of time. Our power and resources continue to grow, and we will soon be able to offer rewards commensurate with that growth to those who earn them.


We benefit from spreading MiS as widely as possible. Any vampire that's on MiS lowers the amount of damage to mortals. And it's a good "entry drug" for when we get a chance to mutate them into something new with MMP, Inner Devils unchained and Ancient Magic.
Added your addition to my plan as well. Doesn't hurt to be exceedingly specific when dealing with the supernatural, I guess.

We need a good 'This is your brain on MiS, and this is your brain after Usum lops the top of your skull off' meme to go with the recruitment pitch.
 
I think people are overestimating the draw of not having to feed. Remember, feeding is one of their main pleasures. If they are willing to give up on that, they're probably decent enough to help out even if they aren't willing to utterly subordinate themselves.
Our power does not prevent them from feeding.
It just gives them perfect power over their hunger, preventing any accidental damage done on feeding.

Basically everyone becomes as good as a true Elder at Hunger-control, no more feeding-frenzy ever.
 
Molly is pretty big on the whole Christian thing. Mercy for the sake of mercy is not so bad, especially if it saves lives.

I think people are overestimating the draw of not having to feed. Remember, feeding is one of their main pleasures. If they are willing to give up on that, they're probably decent enough to help out even if they aren't willing to utterly subordinate themselves.

Plus, free advertising.
Hmmm…
Good point. Especially if we want to become a bigger alternative to the others in the future we will need "civilians" as well. Ok.

[X] Those who are willing to live without harming the mortals they feed upon and who will pledge to do enough services to maintain Mercy in Servitude
-[X] They would obviously have to swear not to oppose you or scheme against you
-[X] That is, of course, the minimum commitment necessary to gain our favor. Those who are willing to pledge themselves more fully, to take up our causes as if they were their own and to set aside lesser obligations, stand to benefit far more in the fullness of time. Our power and resources continue to grow, and we will soon be able to offer rewards commensurate with that growth to those who earn them.
 
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Probably should include a purposely there unless we want to always announce our plans in advance.
[X] Those who are willing to live without harming the mortals they feed upon and who will pledge to do enough services to maintain Mercy in Servitude
-[X] They would obviously have to swear not to purposely oppose you or scheme against you
Google point. Added.
 
[X] Those who are willing to live without harming the mortals they feed upon and who will pledge to do enough services to maintain Mercy in Servitude
-[X] They would obviously have to swear not to purposely oppose you or scheme against you
-[X] That is, of course, the minimum commitment necessary to gain our favor. Those who are willing to pledge themselves more fully, to take up our causes as if they were their own and to set aside lesser obligations, stand to benefit far more in the fullness of time. Our power and resources continue to grow, and we will soon be able to offer rewards commensurate with that growth to those who earn them.
 
I think really recruiting them, not just offering them MIS as a matter of real mercy might be a good start.

We will need minions in this world, not just Hell and I still have the impression that the White Court is the weakest major institution from which to peel of followers.
That seems like coming on too strong to me. A slower and softer sell gets more people involved with our system, and once we have them involved we can work on pulling them in deeper.

Even if we don't get all of them that way we still get connections we can do some level of advantaged favor trading with.

I also think it's unwise to treat the white court as weak or easy to manipulate. It's worth remembering that they are the reason that the Black Court is shattered and that the reds haven't advanced into North America.

They are really, really, good at playing politics and engaging in information warfare.

In their own way they're potentially the most dangerous court to us, simply because they're more likely to attack our reputation and organizations in ways that are difficult and time consuming to resolve instead of sending a hit squad or two.

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-[X] They would obviously have to swear not to purposely oppose you or scheme against you
This is baked into the charm; they can't knowingly act against us without breaking the connection.

The rest again seems a little too up front.

It's like adopting a wild house cat. Don't show up with a bag, feed it a little and let it come to you for more a little bit at a time.

[X] Those who are willing to live without harming the mortals they feed upon and who will pledge to do enough services to maintain Mercy in Servitude
 
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