Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

uju32 · Apr 4, 2023

DragonParadox said:
Voice of Ruin

COMMENTARY
-Interesting that Molly missed the lurking form of Boss akuma.
Emphasizes the utility of Hellscry Chakra.

-Going to note that the other 5x akuma are still missing. Which leaves two options:
a)They were sent after Michael and Dresden
b)They were guarding/ambushing the route to the Jade Dogs

Probably option B; I dont see a situation where the woman and baby, the other humans and whampires all rate guards, but a gang of supernatural muscle dont.
Which means they probably have no idea whats going on.

-Deductions about boss akuma
=Permanent Yin Imbalance: missing nose from sunlight damage
=Magic armor and weapon
=Yin Prana 5
•Wayang: 3 chi
•Semblance of the Ebon Dragon: 3 chi
=Bone Shintai 4
•Corpse Skin: +6HLs for 3 chi
•White Tiger Corpse: 1 turn + 1 chi to go invisible, 1 chi + 3 turns to make possessions invisible: 2 chi + 4 turns
•Bone Obedience: Talons fluffed as razor teeth: 1 chi
•Five Poison Cloud: 6 agg dice for 2 chi
=Tapestry 3
•Chi-shaping: Good joss for DC reduction
=Iron Mountain ???
=Black Wind ???
=Demon Shintai ???

HL: Base 7 + Corpse Skin 6 = 13/13
Agg Soak: Armor 5(max) + Sta 6: 10 Soak
Known Chi spent so far: 14 of no more than 30. Tapestry expenditure for DC reduction and the Wall isnt included.

-Armor of Bone and Shadow sounds like an artifact/magic item.
Has to be; this is capable of soaking Usum's damage, and in the absence of Demon Shintai and its aspect armor, no internal kueijin Discipline can produce armor that can do this.

Between it and the sword, might be useful loot.

-Pointing out the notable absence of evidence of either of the Demon Arts: Demon Shintai or Black Wind. Both are core combat competencies, both work by channelling the P'o. If Black Wind was available, the Boss akuma could have attempted to blitz Lydia or Gard with extra actions; if Demon Shintai was available, it should be in warform right now.

No way an elder akuma doesnt heve them. Unless it just lost access to them.

I was wondering what would happen if we stabbed it in the P'o soul and turned that fragment into a smoothie.
Besides Essence regen, I mean.
Now we know.

-Lydia apparently only has 4 soak: 2 Stamina + 2 Armor, with the jacket giving a reroll.
Which would explain soaking 7 damage and taking 3 wounds.
Need to do something about that.

@DragonParadox
ERROR CORRECTION

Lydya takes 3 Aggravated Damage -> Now at 5/8 Wounds

Should be 6/9.
Lydia has base 7 + Ox Body 2 = 9. If she takes 3 wounds, that leaves 6.

QUESTION
Is it just me, or is this in effect?

• • Chi Ward
The vampire may manipulate ambient dragon lines in the area, weakening or strengthening the area's Wall.
System: The vampire rolls Willpower versus a difficulty of the local Wall. Success enables her to raise or lower the local Wall by one for a scene. The wall may never be lowered below 1 and if it is raised to 10, no being in the area may use Chi powers of any sort. Spirits in a vicinity with a Wall rating of 10 must roll Willpower ( difficulty 6 ) or flee the area; in any event, they will be extremely uncomfortable and unable to spend Chi. This power may be used only once per scene.

Did Boss akuma just play itself again?
Because I know Molly can summarily ignore that, but can it?

DragonParadox · Apr 4, 2023

uju32 said:
COMMENTARY
-Interesting that Molly missed the lurking form of Boss akuma.
Emphasizes the utility of Hellscry Chakra.

-Going to note that the other 5x akuma are still missing. Which leaves two options:
a)They were sent after Michael and Dresden
b)They were guarding/ambushing the route to the Jade Dogs

Probably option B; I dont see a situation where the woman and baby, the other humans and whampires all rate guards, but a gang of supernatural muscle dont.
Which means they probably have no idea whats going on.

-Deductions about boss akuma
=Permanent Yin Imbalance: missing nose
=Magic armor and weapon
=Yin Prana 5
•Wayang: 3 chi
•Semblance of the Ebon Dragon: 3 chi
=Bone Shintai 4
•Corpse Skin: +6HLs for 3 chi
•White Tiger Corpse: 1 turn + 1 chi to go invisible, 1 chi + 3 turns to make possessions invisible: 2 chi + 4 turns
•Bone Obedience: Talons fluffed as razor teeth: 1 chi
•Five Poison Cloud: 6 agg dice for 2 chi
=Tapestry 3
•Chi-shaping: Good joss for DC reduction
=Iron Mountain ???
=Black Wind ???
=Demon Shintai ???

HL: Base 7 + Corpse Skin 6 = 13/13
Agg Soak: Armor 5(max) + Sta 6: 10 Soak
Known Chi spent so far: 14 of no more than 30. Tapestry expenditure for DC reduction and the Wall isnt included.

-Armor of Bone and Shadow sounds like an artifact/magic item.
Has to be; this is capable of soaking Usum's damage, and in the absence of Demon Shintai and its aspect armor, no internal kueijin Discipline can produce armor that can do this.

Between it and the sword, might be useful loot.

-Pointing out the notable absence of evidence of either of the Demon Arts: Demon Shintai or Black Wind. Both are core combat competencies, both work by channelling the P'o. If Black Wind was available, the Boss akuma could have attempted to blitz Lydia or Gard with extra actions; if Demon Shintai was available, it should be in warform right now.

No way an elder akuma doesnt heve them. Unless it just lost access to them.

I was wondering what would happen if we stabbed it in the P'o soul and turned that fragment into a smoothie.
Besides Essence regen, I mean.
Now we know.

-Lydia apparently only has 4 soak: 2 Stamina + 2 Armor, with the jacket giving a reroll.
Which would explain soaking 7 damage and taking 3 wounds.
Need to do something about that.

@DragonParadox
ERROR CORRECTION

Should be 6/9.
Lydia has base 7 + Ox Body 2 = 9. If she takes 3 wounds, that leaves 6.

QUESTION
Is it just me, or is this in effect?

Did Boss akuma just play itself again?
Because I know Molly can summarily ignore that, but can it?

Odds are good the reason not to use Black Wind is that once you use it you are a lot more limited in what you can do with those extra actions
The chi part does not apply in these metaphysics, magic in all its forms is a part of both worlds, it does not flow from the Nevernever. Notice how Gard can also still cast

fictionfan · Apr 4, 2023

It talks

uju32 said:
-Pointing out the notable absence of evidence of either of the Demon Arts: Demon Shintai or Black Wind. Both are core combat competencies, both work by channelling the P'o. If Black Wind was available, the Boss akuma could have attempted to blitz Lydia or Gard with extra actions; if Demon Shintai was available, it should be in warform right now.

No way an elder akuma doesnt heve them. Unless it just lost access to them.

I half expected the akuma to run once we showed ourselves able to perakill immortals, but I guess this akuma is already damaged goods. If it returned now it would likely be recycled.

Also if they know that we are growing in power then they might simply feel the time crunch. If they retreat now then their odds are likely to be even worse later.

Edit: Ninja

uju32 · Apr 4, 2023

fictionfan said:
I expected at least some damage or disorientation to pass from perma killing the Wills Po soul. Then again it's will is not it's own so it might not show weakness until we tear it apart.

Note the absence of either Demon Art.
Now remember that Eiko, who isnt a greater akuma, opened with Black Wind + Demon Shintai.
But the boss akuma cant.

fictionfan said:
I just realized something we should have thought about earlier. We just sent Harry to the Never-never which means his Fairy godmother is likely to show up soon. Oops.

Harry's debts are currently held by Mab.
And they have a working agreement. Even if Lea was out of her prison of ice, she isnt hunting him.

uju32 · Apr 4, 2023

DragonParadox said:
Odds are good the reason not to use Black Wind is that once you use it you are a lot more limited in what you can do with those extra actions

The chi part does not apply in these metaphysics, magic in all its forms is a part of both worlds, it does not flow from the Nevernever. Notice how Gard can also still cast

-Doesnt explain Demon Shintai's absence though.
The scenelong boosts would look like a gimme.

-Fair enough.

DragonParadox · Apr 4, 2023

uju32 said:
-Doesnt explain Demon Shintai's absence though.
The scenelong boosts would look like a gimme.

-Fair enough.

At a guess time and how noticeable it would have been to the local wizard if that had been under the ground. There is only so much you can hide in the magical background radiation of a tainted land, the full demonic glory of a Greater Akuma is not one of them, unless you are hiding on ground zero of a completed Darkhallow or similar.

fictionfan · Apr 4, 2023

We could try to escape now. If we did I am fairly sure that the akuma would try to stop us. Which would turn this fight into a sure thing. However it might look bad to our allies.

Then again if we are already sure that it would try to stop us from escaping doesn't that mean we are already trapped?

Artemis1992 · Apr 4, 2023

uju32 said:
-Armor of Bone and Shadow sounds like an artifact/magic item.
Has to be; this is capable of soaking Usum's damage, and in the absence of Demon Shintai and its aspect armor, no internal kueijin Discipline can produce armor that can do this.

Regular armor can still soak Aggravated Damage, unless it is something that should by ignored, like area-fire or radioactivity.
This is pretty explicit with all the normal agg-dealers, like growing claws, so I'm pretty sure it applies to ours too.

Hell, Lydia's armor seems to have helped her against a poison-cloud dealing aggravated damage just now, so I'm really sure DP is playing it as armor being allowd to soak anything not very explicitly armor-ignoring.

That armor might be regular armor with interesting flavor, magical armor, or it could be a mix of Bone Obedience and Eightfold Yin Mantle (Bone and Shadow).

uju32 said:
•Bone Obedience: Talons fluffed as razor teeth: 1 chi

Might just be fluff.
Or a hint at his actual vampire-teeth, which a Wan Kuei with control over his P'o can grow at any time.

uju32 said:
Note the absence of either Demon Art.
Now remember that Eiko, who isnt a greater akuma, opened with Black Wind + Demon Shintai.
But the boss akuma cant.

Eiko opened with that so she could pretend being a berserking idiot...

fictionfan · Apr 4, 2023

Artemis1992 said:
Regular armor can still soak Aggravated Damage, unless it is something that should by ignored, like area-fire or radioactivity.

Yes standard armor always soaks agg damge. However standard cap also caps out at very little total soak to stop mortals from getting any big ideas.

BronzeTongue · Apr 4, 2023

Artemis1992 said:
I generally agree, but stolen power is power too.

The other Vampire Courts have no higher function at all, but they are still powerful.
The Reds have imprisoned gods to draw power from.
And the Blacks are propably the individually strongest Dresdenpires and we have no idea why. In this quest it propably has something to do with the influence of a Neverborn, which precedes all other laws, but in DF we know nothing.

Stolen power is still power, but there are limits. The red court is powered by the stolen might of an entire pantheon once responsible for most of South America. The black court draws on Drakul's authority essentially. We don't know what he is, but every other person in his general division follows the rule about purposes it seems reasonable to provisionally assume he's the same.

It's also worth noting that the vampire courts are top tier factions for groups that primarily make their homes in the mortal world. We have multiple rulings that if they (as in any of the courts) want to try to take a swing at someone like Mab personally they need to do it by concentrating all of their members into the effort and they still might not win.

The Dresden Files has weight classes, and earthbound powers are not on the high end.

The thousand hells are certainly big enough to be noted, but in the context of the Dresden Files individual rulers shouldn't be able to throw around servants that absurdly powerful.

The power of the jades and Akuma is given an outsized impact because they have years of specific books on their powers of varying quality and the Dresden Files is a book series that doesn't focus that way.

uju32 said:
Dangling a White Council wizard out there in the NeverNever with only Einherjar backup seemed foolish.
Molly and Michael were the only two ppl capable of reliably engaging the boss akuma, and Michael had a secondary role as a breaker of hostile magic.

Plus, literally his dayjob to rescue lost sheep. Play into his thematics.
We brought Gard as backup mage for a reason

To be totally honest I don't find this persuasive because I don't place significant value on his life relative to our other goals here.

We have responsibilities to the other victims here that we don't have towards him, and we're risking their lives too with maneuvers like this.

fictionfan · Apr 4, 2023

uju32 said:
Thats up to the QM to adjudicate how it works in this AU.

But in canon, Dresden literally held the magic shields while his arm fried into uselessness by a flamethrower, then went ahead to go confront the White King later in the same day or the next. He wasnt immediately admitted to hospital for dehydration or lung damage or hyperpyrexia or rhabdomyolysis induced acute renal failure.

That sounds like Agg soak to me.
Yes, they also have very slow regen. They're wizards, they need it to survive their early days.

I reread this and finally got what you were taking about. Of course wizards make shields able to soak agg. When you said that wizards can soak agg I though you meant passively. Not as a spell using up their action.

Goldfish · Apr 4, 2023

Gonna need some more votes, ya'll.

Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Apr 4, 2023 at 8:29 PM, finished with 58 posts and 4 votes.

3 people have voted
[X] Plan Tree
-[X] Ask the Einherjer to cover you and Lydja.
-[X] Transform into your Shintai.
-[X] Activate Melee Excellency
-[X] STUNT: "Behold then, the tree grown from in fertile soil. Shintai" you declare, as the winter's chill engulfs the area around you, and the shadows flicker, as if afraid of what's to come.
2 people have voted
[X] Plan Plan
-[X] Ask the Einherjer to cover you and Lydja.
-[X] Transform into your Shintai.
-[X] Activate Melee Excellency
-[X] This is a duel. Let the Einherjer lock down the area.
-[X] Once she is feeling better, have Lidia open the gate and get Harry and your Dad out.
- Yzarc
- Goldfish
2 people have voted
[X] -STUNT- You look the Akuma in thr eye and raise your sword, pointing it at him. You thought of what to say and only one line comes to mind. "There can be only One." You say.
- Yzarc
- Goldfish

fictionfan · Apr 4, 2023

[X] Plan Tree

Not much difference is there.

uju32 · Apr 5, 2023

Catching up.
Vote in 30 minutes

DragonParadox said:
At a guess time and how noticeable it would have been to the local wizard if that had been under the ground. There is only so much you can hide in the magical background radiation of a tainted land, the full demonic glory of a Greater Akuma is not one of them, unless you are hiding on ground zero of a completed Darkhallow or similar.

Semblance of the Ebon Dragon wasnt, apparently.
Neither was spawning a wayang.
But if you say so.

Artemis1992 said:
Regular armor can still soak Aggravated Damage, unless it is something that should by ignored, like area-fire or radioactivity.
This is pretty explicit with all the normal agg-dealers, like growing claws, so I'm pretty sure it applies to ours too.

Hell, Lydia's armor seems to have helped her against a poison-cloud dealing aggravated damage just now, so I'm really sure DP is playing it as armor being allowd to soak anything not very explicitly armor-ignoring.

That armor might be regular armor with interesting flavor, magical armor, or it could be a mix of Bone Obedience and Eightfold Yin Mantle (Bone and Shadow).

1)Regular armor isnt named though.
And if Eiko was rocking jade armor, a greater akuma is (probably)wearing better.

2)Eightfold Yin Mantle does not protect against Usum.

Eightfold Yin Mantle
The vampire calls forth a crackling black aura of Yin energy, then shapes it into constructs of her desire. Objects created in this manner typically appear to be made of a black icy substance. Clever vampires use this power to conjure all sorts of useful and deadly toys.

System: The vampire spends a variable amount of Yin points, depending on what she wants to do. The vampire can "solidify" the conjured Yin to create various objects. She can create ropes, chains, claws or blades of a black, icy substance. Creating mundane tools costs a point of Yin, while creation of Melee or thrown weapons costs one Yin for a weapon inflicting Str aggravated damage, +1 Yin per additional point of damage the weapon deals. (Firearms may not be created in this manner, though individual Yin-bullets may, with a Wits + Crafts[Gunsmith] roll [difficulty 10].) Tools created from Yin are steel-hard, freezing cold and seem to sap the warmth from beings they touch; shattering ropes, chains and similar items made of Yin requires a Strength of 5 or greater merely to attempt.

The vampire can conjure Yin energy about her as a form of armor, providing one soak die per Yin point spent against Yin-based attacks, attacks from metal objects and attacks from water- or wind-based weapons.

Finally, the vampire can, by spending three Yin points, solidify her very shadow into a quasi-tangible creature. The vampire spends three Yin to give her shadow substance, then makes a P'o roll ( difficulty 8 ) to imbue the creature with the personality of her Demon. The resulting creature is a savage, twisted thing that is best used as an attack dog. A shadow-creature (known as a wayang) has Physical Attributes equal to the vampire's, inflicts Str aggravated damage (from shadowy claws and teeth), and has a number of Health Levels equal to the vampire's P'o rating. It can slither up walls and through cracks, and takes damage as if it were the vampire. The wayang remains animate for a number of minutes equal to the vampire's permanent Yin. If the creature is destroyed, the P'o-spark used to animate the shadow washes over the vampire and prompts an immediate roll to avoid shadow soul.

Usum is neither a metal weapon nor a Yin-based, water-based or wind-based attack.
So Eightfold Mantle doesnt work against her.
And Bone Obedience apparently cant be used for armor, just weapons and tools.

3)Lydia is wearing armor prepped for her by her dad.
Almost certainly magic, just like the attack itself was magic, and not actually poison gas you had to breathe.
Protecting against a magic attack seems in theme.

Artemis1992 said:
Might just be fluff.
Or a hint at his actual vampire-teeth, which a Wan Kuei with control over his P'o can grow at any time.

Fluff maybe.
Not his vampire teeth; he gets to grow fangs like Western vamps, not to acquire shark dentition iirc.

Artemis1992 said:
Eiko opened with that so she could pretend being a berserking idiot...

Eiko also opened with that because it was convincing and plausible.

BronzeTongue said:
To be totally honest I don't find this persuasive because I don't place significant value on his life relative to our other goals here.
We have responsibilities to th

Agree to disagree.
As someone who read Lord of the Rings a long time ago, Im generally minded to pay attention to Gandalf's sentiments about Gollum/Smeagol as a guideline for dealing with antagonists.

Thematically, as someone who has read most of the Dresdenverse books and stories, I am minded to remember just how many times these sorts of people have proven useful down the line.
Helen Beckitt. Hendricks. Marcone. Thomas. Mortimer Lindquist. Lash.

And mechanically, he's almost certainly worth bonus XP, in addition to the narrative benefits.

fictionfan said:
I reread this and finally got what you were taking about. Of course wizards make shields able to soak agg. When you said that wizards can soak agg I though you meant passively. Not as a spell using up their action.

I do mean passively.
Fire deals agg damage, and we see Dresden soak it onscreen with damage to one arm, then go ahead to go confront Papa Raith at home with that same arm.

Wizards dont usually wear heavy or magic armor, with some notable examples.
It makes sense to me that they are able to soak more damage than Dresdenverse mortals can.

I mean, WoD mortals can only soak bashing with Stamina; lethal and agg go directly to the health track. If wizards couldnt do better, Dresden would probably have died between the events of Fool Moon and Grave Peril. Slow regen on the order of years helps you regain full function if you survive getting whaled on with a crowbar; it does not help you survive the crowbar.

Its not like this is unprecedented.
World of Darkness ghouls(human minions who work for vampires, and given vitae) soak Lethal with Stamina/2, iirc.

Artemis1992 · Apr 5, 2023

uju32 said:
2)Eightfold Yin Mantle does not protect against Usum.
Eightfold Yin Mantle
The vampire calls forth a crackling black aura of Yin energy, then shapes it into constructs of her desire. Objects created in this manner typically appear to be made of a black icy substance. Clever vampires use this power to conjure all sorts of useful and deadly toys.

System: The vampire spends a variable amount of Yin points, depending on what she wants to do. The vampire can "solidify" the conjured Yin to create various objects. She can create ropes, chains, claws or blades of a black, icy substance. Creating mundane tools costs a point of Yin, while creation of Melee or thrown weapons costs one Yin for a weapon inflicting Str aggravated damage, +1 Yin per additional point of damage the weapon deals. (Firearms may not be created in this manner, though individual Yin-bullets may, with a Wits + Crafts[Gunsmith] roll [difficulty 10].) Tools created from Yin are steel-hard, freezing cold and seem to sap the warmth from beings they touch; shattering ropes, chains and similar items made of Yin requires a Strength of 5 or greater merely to attempt.

The vampire can conjure Yin energy about her as a form of armor, providing one soak die per Yin point spent against Yin-based attacks, attacks from metal objects and attacks from water- or wind-based weapons.

Finally, the vampire can, by spending three Yin points, solidify her very shadow into a quasi-tangible creature. The vampire spends three Yin to give her shadow substance, then makes a P'o roll ( difficulty 8 ) to imbue the creature with the personality of her Demon. The resulting creature is a savage, twisted thing that is best used as an attack dog. A shadow-creature (known as a wayang) has Physical Attributes equal to the vampire's, inflicts Str aggravated damage (from shadowy claws and teeth), and has a number of Health Levels equal to the vampire's P'o rating. It can slither up walls and through cracks, and takes damage as if it were the vampire. The wayang remains animate for a number of minutes equal to the vampire's permanent Yin. If the creature is destroyed, the P'o-spark used to animate the shadow washes over the vampire and prompts an immediate roll to avoid shadow soul. Usum is neither a metal weapon nor a Yin-based, water-based or wind-based attack.
So Eightfold Mantle doesnt work against her.
And Bone Obedience apparently cant be used for armor, just weapons and tools.

You are correct that Eightfold Yin Mantle doesn't work, I didn't read that closely enough.
If anything our fiery sword resembles a Yang-effect closer.

If he wanted to use Yin-based armor he would have to start with the level 6 power Yin Shield, which we don't know if he has.

You are wrong on Bone Obedience though:

• Bone Armor (1 Chi/point): The vampire fills his skeleton with Chi, strengthening it. For each point of Chi spent, the vampire gains one soak die. Bone armor protects against aggravated damage from supernatural attacks, but not from fire or sunlight

uju32 said:
I do mean passively.
Fire deals agg damage, and we see Dresden soak it onscreen with damage to one arm, then go ahead to go confront Papa Raith at home with that same arm.

I think that can simply be explained with him being a heroic character.

A regular mortal would propably be out of a fight after taking 2 or 3 points of Fire-Damage, a PC or important NPC can power on until their health-bar says Nope.

I can't see any evidence that aggravated or lethal damage deals less damage to a Wizard that it should.
They can often carry on despite it because that's how people with high willpower can deal with a few lost healthlevels in any WoD or Exalted game, but they are no less injured for it.
If Harry had soaked that fire, it wouldn't have resulted in a big, important and long-term injury.

fictionfan · Apr 5, 2023

Considering just how much injury Harry tends to power though by the end of each book I might give him a merit allowing him to use willpower rolls to ignore injury penalties. The willpower rolls obviously always have the injury penalty. Realistically it would be a roll for every action, but since by game play that would slow everything down instead every scene.

uju32 · Apr 5, 2023

VOTE
[] Plan Reaperman
-[]Turn 0: Full Defense + Activate Shintai: 2m, 2wp
-[]Turn 1: Activate Melee Excellency 3/3 + Attack + Defend: 1m
--[]Attack: 23 dice at DC6 (BSM -1 + Multi action penalty 1)
--[]Defend: 22 dice at DC5 (Dark Sun 4 + BSM -1 + Multiaction penalty 2)
-[]Turn 2: Melee Excellency 2/3
--[]Attack: 23 dice at DC6 (BSM -1 + Multi action penalty 1)
--[]Defend: 22 dice at DC5 (Dark Sun 4 + BSM -1 + Multiaction penalty 2)
-[]Turn 3: Melee Excellency 1/3
--[]Attack: 23 dice at DC6 (BSM -1 + Multi action penalty 1)
--[]Defend: 22 dice at DC5 (Dark Sun 4 + BSM -1 + Multiaction penalty 2)
-[]Lydia: Retreat to rally point, + use Open The Way to reopen Way : 1m, + 1wp for autosux
-[]STUNT: To be finished later

EXPENSES
Molly: 3m Essence, 2 wp
Lydia: 1m Essence, 1 wp

STATUS
Molly
Beginning: 8/12m Essence, 7/9WP
End: 5/12m Essence, 5/9 WP

Lydia
Beginning 6/6m Essence, 5/5WP
End: 5/6 Essence, 4/5WP

MATH
1)Before Excellency:
Full Defense: Dex 4 + Melee 5 + Stunt 2 = 11 dice at DC3 (Dark Sun 4 + BSM -1)

2) Shintai: 2m, 2wp
Dex 8, Strength 5, Stamina 4.
19 HLs.
Soak 22(Pre-shintai 17 + Stamina 1 + Demon Armor 4) at DC4 (Saga Shield -1 + BSM -1).
Max normal movement speed: (20 + <Dex8*3>) x Windborn Stride 3 = 132 yards/turn

2) Activated Melee Excellency + Activated shintai:
Attack: Dex 8 + Melee 5 + Excellency 9 + Stunt 2 - Multiaction penalty 1 = 23 dice at DC6 (BSM -1 + Multi action penalty 1)
Defend: Dex 8 + Melee 5 + Excellency 9 + Stunt 2 - Multiaction penalty 2 = 22 dice at DC5 (Dark Sun 4 + BSM -1 + Multiaction penalty 2)

RATIONALE
Molly, as an E2 Infernal, cannot spend more than 2m/turn.
So she cant activate shintai and use a Melee Excellency in the same turn.
So activate shintai first, then activate Melee Excellency.

Lydia is down to her first -1, but there's no point hanging on the perphery here when she cant see the opposition.
So she should do something, like breaking the Wall.
The rally point is only 1x move turn away.

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EDIT
Vote reposted on next page with stunt.

Artemis1992 · Apr 5, 2023

uju32 said:
--[X]Full Defense + Activate Shintai: Dex 8, Strength 5, Stamina 4. 23 HLs. Soak 22 at DC4(Saga Shield -1 + BSM -1)

If going Shintai is an action in itself we can't also go full defence.
Edit: And I don' think we need to, as the enemy has already used his action this round on the Poison Cloud.

Also we have only 19 Health Levels.
7 normal +12 Shintai.
Ox Body does explicitly not add to Shintai-Healthtrack.

Soak looks damn good.

uju32 said:
--[X]Attack: 27 dice at DC6 (BSM -1 + Multi action penalty 1)
--[X]Defend: 26 dice at DC5 (Dark Sun 4 + BSM -1 + Multiaction penalty 1)

The second action takes 2 Multiaction-Penalty, if I read that correctly, including for Difficulty. The resulting DC is correct though, so propably a typo?
4 -1 BSM +2 Penalty = 5

Also Our Attack Dice should be:
(4 DEX +5Melee)*2 +4 (Bonus Dex) = 22 (plus possible stunt).
Charm-Increased Attributes do not count for Excellencies, that one is explicit in the FAQ, with the example of Lunar Transformation, which is basically the same as Shintai mechanically..
Same for defence.

uju32 · Apr 5, 2023

One moment while I clear my stunt draft and dig up my book.

uju32 · Apr 5, 2023

Artemis1992 said:
If going Shintai is an action in itself we can't also go full defence.
Edit: And I don' think we need to, as the enemy has already used his action this round on the Poison Cloud.

Also we have only 19 Health Levels.
7 normal +12 Shintai.
Ox Body does explicitly not add to Shintai-Healthtrack.

Soak looks damn good.

Shintai says spend a turn in concentration, so I think it suits the stated intent by staying on the defense while changing.
We did the same thing the first time we used Shintai against Kattrin.
If nothing else, it hedges against any additional buggers in hiding.

Good point about HP. Will fix in a minute.

Artemis1992 said:
The second action takes 2 Multiaction-Penalty, if I read that correctly, including for Difficulty. The resulting DC is correct though, so propably a typo?
4 -1 BSM +2 Penalty = 5

Also Our Attack Dice should be: (4 DEX +5Melee)*2 +4 (Bonus Dex) = 22 (plus possible stunt).
Charm-Increased Attributes do not count for Excellencies, that one is explicit in the FAQ, with the example of Lunar Transformation, which is basically the same as Shintai mechanically..
Same for defence.

Yeah, typo.
Thanks for picking that up.

You're also accurate about this, I think; will fix in a couple minutes.

bengalqueen · Apr 5, 2023

uju32 said:
Soak 22(Pre-shintai 17 + Stamina 1 + Demon Armor 4) at DC4 (Saga Shield -1 + BSM -1).

We're already at the Stamina cap for Steel Skin, so Shintai doesn't actually add more Stamina. That leaves us at 21 soak, which is still plenty good enough, considering his shadow plinked off of 17 twice with no damage earlier.

BronzeTongue · Apr 5, 2023

bengalqueen said:
We're already at the Stamina cap for Steel Skin, so Shintai doesn't actually add more Stamina. That leaves us at 21 soak, which is still plenty good enough, considering his shadow plinked off of 17 twice with no damage earlier.

I don't think that's how that works. The stamina cap for steel skin is for the bonus from steel skin. It doesn't cap the things we can stack from other places.

uju32 · Apr 5, 2023

bengalqueen said:
We're already at the Stamina cap for Steel Skin, so Shintai doesn't actually add more Stamina. That leaves us at 21 soak, which is still plenty good enough, considering his shadow plinked off of 17 twice with no damage earlier.

I remember it being mentioned before, but Holden's FAQ explicitly says that while you cant calculate Excellencies based on Attribute bonuses, there's no cap on other bonuses.
So while Steel Skin may be capped at 8, other effects can take it above that.

For example; Eschaton Shintai mode gives an additional +3 to Dexterity, Strength and Stamina.
We'd be at Dexterity 11, Strength 8, Stamina 7 without the Qiao or buying any extra attribute dots.

EDIT
@BronzeTongue explains it better.

Yzarc · Apr 5, 2023

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Artemis1992 · Apr 5, 2023

uju32 said:
I remember it being mentioned before, but Holden's FAQ explicitly says that while you cant calculate Excellencies based on Attribute bonuses, there's no cap on other bonuses.
So while Steel Skin may be capped at 8, other effects can take it above that.

For example; Eschaton Shintai mode gives an additional +3 to Dexterity, Strength and Stamina.
We'd be at Dexterity 11, Strength 8, Stamina 7 without the Qiao or buying any extra attribute dots.

I seem to remember @DragonParadox saying something about that, but I can't find it now.

It's a minor thing for now, but eventually we'll get to the Dex-Booster and that could get weird when combined with Shintai.

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