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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Ahh, good old stellar material. I'm honestly surprised that it hasn't been studied much before given what Ogodei managed to do with the stuff.
 
[ ] No. In addition to potentially being a another bone to toss to the Meng, as a high profile project for their facilities here, you would rather receive results in a more reasonable time frame. (Faster turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, Smaller bonus for identification and safety. Reformer/Conservative Meng like this)

This is the way I'm leaning, what other bones do we have to throw to the Meng, really?
 
[ ] Yes. Little enough is known, and the facilities at the capital are superior. She would like to get use out of any treasures sooner rather than later, but she would like to be certain of their safety even more. (Slower Turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, higher rolls for identification and safety. MoI likes this)

we dont have many options for making the MoI happy, we should take em when we can
 
I.....i don't think DIY nuclear material handeling is safe.

[X] Yes. Little enough is known, and the facilities at the capital are superior. She would like to get use out of any treasures sooner rather than later, but she would like to be certain of their safety even more. (Slower Turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, higher rolls for identification and safety. MoI likes this)
 
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[ ] Yes. Little enough is known, and the facilities at the capital are superior. She would like to get use out of any treasures sooner rather than later, but she would like to be certain of their safety even more. (Slower Turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, higher rolls for identification and safety. MoI likes this)

We have a lot more things we're willing to give the Meng than the MoI. That being the case, giving the MoI an entirely unobjectionable win here seems correct to me.
 
[ ] Yes. Little enough is known, and the facilities at the capital are superior. She would like to get use out of any treasures sooner rather than later, but she would like to be certain of their safety even more. (Slower Turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, higher rolls for identification and safety. MoI likes this)
 
[ ] Yes. Little enough is known, and the facilities at the capital are superior. She would like to get use out of any treasures sooner rather than later, but she would like to be certain of their safety even more. (Slower Turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, higher rolls for identification and safety. MoI likes this)
Safety when it comes to stuff like this is the Number 1 priority. That it makes the Ministry happy is icing on the cake.
 
[X] Yes. Little enough is known, and the facilities at the capital are superior. She would like to get use out of any treasures sooner rather than later, but she would like to be certain of their safety even more. (Slower Turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, higher rolls for identification and safety. MoI likes this)

When given the option to throw a bone to the MoI, i will take it. Sure the loot will come slower, but when else can we please the MoI without giving up some Summit related arguments. With how brave we are when picking options, we're going to make them pissed, a lot. Also, it said that nobody will be mad at us for this.
 
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[ ] Yes. Little enough is known, and the facilities at the capital are superior. She would like to get use out of any treasures sooner rather than later, but she would like to be certain of their safety even more. (Slower Turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, higher rolls for identification and safety. MoI likes this)
 
[ ] No. In addition to potentially being a another bone to toss to the Meng, as a high profile project for their facilities here, you would rather receive results in a more reasonable time frame. (Faster turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, Smaller bonus for identification and safety. Reformer/Conservative Meng like this)

CRX said she likes this option more and I dont feel like overruling her on this. LIke, she is quite hands-off normally, so it feels sorta awkward to contradict her when she does end up having an opinion
 
I think we go no here for a number of reasons.
  1. Renxiang has already gone with it and we'd need a good reason to say otherwise, which frankly I don't think we have.
  2. Momentum: it ties in with the immediate concerns about negotiating with the Meng that have just been raised
  3. The safety concerns I don't feel are that significant. Ultimately while yes, the Xiangmen facilities are "safer" no-one has really raised this as a major issue. Moreover, it must be noted that we're only third realm, and if we're able to handle the Starlight Labyrinth then investigating any materials under the supervision of the Fourth Realm Astronomer Wu should be relatively safe.
  4. I don't know if the "Meng like this" and "MoI like this" aspects are really balanced here. It feels like this gives more of a bonus for the Meng that also ties directly into the question of negotiations over the use of this facility, while for the MoI it's just a general sense of idk slightly better vibes about us from us playing things slightly safer and more conservatively? Or maybe, since what was actually raised was that the MoI had expressed some interest with the implication that this could help us getting access to the Xiangmen labs, it would involve them doing us a favour. Getting people to do you a small favour is a legitimate way of getting them to like you more but I'm also not sure how much it helps us right now.
  5. Timing: the ultimate thing is that the impact of this on the immediate future is limited since this isn't something we'd be looking at until after the summit. At least with the Meng it's something that we could plausibly bring up when we're talking to them in terms of opportunities for developing the facilities here and bringing us all more prestige. With the MoI though? I don't see any reason why it would help us in the here and now, though obviously managing our relationship with them is also a long term thing that will continue beyond the summit. Like what are we going to say? "oh we're going to be getting some star stuff to investigate in a few months but don't worry we'll be sending it to the Capital because we care about safety!" Seems weird.
So yeah, overall I think the update is very much slanted to making just go with it as the obvious path forward.
 
[ ] No. In addition to potentially being a another bone to toss to the Meng, as a high profile project for their facilities here, you would rather receive results in a more reasonable time frame. (Faster turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, Smaller bonus for identification and safety. Reformer/Conservative Meng like this)

We really need the bone to throw to the Meng more than we need to throw it to the ministry on this.
 
[ X] Yes. Little enough is known, and the facilities at the capital are superior. She would like to get use out of any treasures sooner rather than later, but she would like to be certain of their safety even more. (Slower Turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, higher rolls for identification and safety. MoI likes this
 
[] Yes. Little enough is known, and the facilities at the capital are superior. She would like to get use out of any treasures sooner rather than later, but she would like to be certain of their safety even more. (Slower Turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, higher rolls for identification and safety. MoI likes this
 
I'm in full agreement with Erebeal on this one. This is very sound logic and we need to plan for ways to get the Meng on our good side.

[ ] No. In addition to potentially being a another bone to toss to the Meng, as a high profile project for their facilities here, you would rather receive results in a more reasonable time frame. (Faster turnaround on Labyrinth Loot, Smaller bonus for identification and safety. Reformer/Conservative Meng like this
 
Thinking 'no' also, but my concerns are more around the time frame with results. If that titian is something relevant, and starstone does start showing up frequently, I'd like to have answers sooner rather than later. There's too much potential for this stuff to behave counterintuitively.
 
Mmm, so the thing is that the bonus is being presented as prestige from a high profile project, which implies a certain degree of publicity and sharing.

While I don't like to be the guy arguing that one vote will give us everything we want, if we freely share the data we gather etc. with the MoI as good helpful imperial citizens concerned about national security then this would be something that I think would do a good bit to help us with our long term relationship regardless.

The main thing I think that could get in the way of that would be if we agreed to some kind of exclusivity deal with the Meng and were keeping things under wraps, but I'm not sure that's @yrsillar's intent here and it feels a bit like it would get in the way of the prestige?
 
Not so much secret as it the Meng having first whack at any findings, and getting to take credit for it vs. imperial institutions getting to take credit for it.
 
Wait, aren't the Xiangmen labs under the auspices of the Cai and ES ministries rather than the imperial ones?

Or is this more a reflection of them still liking not giving the counts more stuff in an ideological sense?
 
Technically all ministries are subordinate too and part of the imperial ministry system, how true this is in practice varies. And yes, its mostly ideological.
 
Mmm, I imagine there's a lot of provincial variance here too - like the Thousand Lakes ministries are probably basically completely independent, the Ebon Rivers ministries are a complete mess because the Zheng don't care for them if they tolerate them at all, and the Emerald Sea (after Shenhua's reforms) and Alabaster Sands probably have the closest ties with the imperial ministries?
 
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