Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

They'll clearly don't give a shit about playing nice, so why didn't they lead with that?

If anything other than compliance is going to get the table flipped we might as well flip it now. Question this guy, then kill him and proceed to burning their local shelter down tonight.
Because we arent doing it for them.

Ive long pointed out the greater societal benefits of being known as a person of your word, both in word and in spirit.
But in this case? That five day interval where they are bringing in reinforcements and preparing is time when we are scouting them and making preparations of our own.

Its time that Molly is asking Lydia to talk to the ghosts in the area. That she is looking up Mortimer Lindquist to see if he noticed anything. That she is using the Crown to work through her focuses to refine her intelligence and picture of the opposition
Thats she's talking to Brother Devsimar, working on alchemical potions, bulking up on holy water.

Maybe even dropping the dime to Winter or Summer so that if Eiko et al try to move reinforcements through the NeverNever, they run into Fae.
Fair enough, I don't expect to agree with everyone all the time. I just don't see any value in gambling with these guys. If we negotiate at all we should force them to somewhere neutral and if we're skipping to violence we should skip to violence.
Its not gambling.

Ive always favored speaking softly and carrying a big stick.
There are places where a loud voice is favored, and where responding to petty irritations is the right play.
This does not appear to be one of them.

My two cents, such as it is.
Ok
[X]Plan flip the table
-[X] Etiquette Excellency is still active. Renew if necessary
-[X] Question the vampire
—[X] Where are they dwelling
—[X] What Lady Eiko is like
—[X] How long have the servants of Kakuri been in Chicago
—[X]The nature of the mission his group is on
-[X] Use the Crown
—[X]On the vampire: "Who have his party fed on/killed since arriving in Chicago?"
—[X]On the Letter: The nature of the mission(s) his group is on. Ask after he has left
-[X] STUNT: "Akuma" Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still". As her eyes seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serv re as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words. "First, I would have your name of you."
-[x]If they have killed anyone in Chicago then kill the messager take a bleach bath and go to the their dwelling in the morning to fuck them up.

I think that God will forgive us for skipping church this week if we do it for the good cause of swording a bunch of people eating Akuma.

[X]Yog
Picking a fight with zero intelligence is foolhardy.
Especially when they obviously know more about you than you do about them.
 
Pity we don't have the charm to wreck an organizations ablity to function. Hitting this group thou this guy, and then exploiting the vast swing of power in our favor. to mass flip them to Molly servants would be fun.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Feb 12, 2023 at 11:38 PM, finished with 163 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Plan Hail to the Queen
    -[X] Use Intimidation Excellency
    -[X] Question the vampire
    —[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
    —[X] What Lady Eiko is like
    —[X] what forces he's aware of in the area
    -[X] Use the Crown
    —[X] On the vampire: "What does the ultimate faction behind this messenger know of what they call the dark seed?"
    -[X] Stunt: "Akuma " Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still".
    -[X] As her countless eyes open to seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serve as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words.
    -[X] Send the vampire back carrying a message changing the location to Mac's pub at noon on the same day, and carrying an email to negotiate further details through.
    [X] Plan Hail to the Queen v2
    -[X] Use Intimidation Excellency
    -[X] Question the vampire
    —[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
    —[X] What Lady Eiko is like
    —[X] what forces he's aware of in the area
    -[X] Use the Crown
    —[X] On the vampire: "What are the ultimate faction's behind this messenger plans in regards to me and mine?"
    —[X] When Molly gets home, target the big book of Yomi Wan and ask "What do the factions described within this book know of what Emma-O calls the seed of darkness?"
    -[X] Stunt: "Akuma " Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still".
    -[X] As her countless eyes open to seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serve as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words.
    -[X] Send the vampire back carrying a message changing the location to Mac's pub at noon on the same day, and carrying an email to negotiate further details through.
    [X] Plan Hail to the Queen mod. Yog
    -[X] Use Intimidation Excellency
    -[X] Question the vampire
    --[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
    --[X] What Lady Eiko is like
    --[X] what forces he's aware of in the area
    -[X] Use the Crown
    --[X] On the vampire: "What are the ultimate faction's behind this messenger plans in regards to me and mine?"
    -[X] Stunt: "Akuma " Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still".
    --[X] As her countless eyes open to seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serve as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words.
    --[X] Send the vampire back carrying a message changing the location to Mac's pub at noon on the same day, and carrying an email to negotiate further details through.
    --[X] As the messenger leaves, Molly's parting words echo in his mind: "Know, even as your mistress does not, that I am more than fair in paying what is owed; you should feel my generosity for your service, short as it might be"
    [X] Plan Demon-Empress Inquisition
    -[X] Etiquette Excellency is still active. Renew if necessary
    -[X] Question the vampire
    —[X] Where are they dwelling
    —[X] What Lady Eiko is like
    —[X] How long have the servants of Kakuri been in Chicago
    —[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
    -[X] Use the Crown
    —[X]On the vampire: "Who have his party fed on/killed since arriving in Chicago?"
    —[X]On the Letter: The nature of the mission(s) his group is on. Ask after he has left
    -[X] STUNT: "Akuma" Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still". As her eyes seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serv re as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words. "First, I would have your name of you."
    [X]Plan flip the table
    -[X] Etiquette Excellency is still active. Renew if necessary
    -[X] Question the vampire
    —[X] Where are they dwelling
    —[X] What Lady Eiko is like
    —[X] How long have the servants of Kakuri been in Chicago
    —[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
    -[X] Use the Crown
    —[X]On the vampire: "Who have his party fed on/killed since arriving in Chicago?"
    —[X]On the Letter: The nature of the mission(s) his group is on. Ask after he has left
    -[X] STUNT: "Akuma" Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still". As her eyes seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serv re as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words. "First, I would have your name of you."
    -[x]If they have killed anyone in Chicago then kill the messager take a bleach bath and go to the their dwelling in the morning to fuck them up.
 
Pity we don't have the charm to wreck an organizations ablity to function. Hitting this group thou this guy, and then exploiting the vast swing of power in our favor. to mass flip them to Molly servants would be fun.
1)If they are akuma, its not possible. Their souls are literally in hock to their overlord.
He can order them to commit suicide and they'd do it; they dont even get a roll to resist.

2)Why would we want them?
As far as we know, they are akuma or worse. People who knowingly sold their souls to Yama Kings for power after dying and clawing their way out of the Thousand Hells the first time.

Im not going to say that they are all beyond redemption, but frankly most Red Court vampires have done less shit than an akuma.
 
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But in this case? That five day interval where they are bringing in reinforcements and preparing is time when we are scouting them and making preparations of our own.
That does not look like the most likely call for five days.

They have been here some time, unnoticed.
At least since those murders you attribute to them (which sounds pretty likely right now).
I doubt that five more days make a difference in calling reinforcements.

Possibly they just set the date with the expectation that we would attack before then and run into a trap.
Or they have some other plan for the time or place.

But a plain "we need more time to get doods here" seems very unlikely, they would have been better off not meeting us yet.
 
As far as we know, they are akuma or worse. People who knowingly sold their souls to Yama Kings for power after dying and clawing their way out of the Thousand Hells the first time.

Im not going to say that they are all beyond redemption, but frankly most Red Court vampires have done less shit than an akuma.
Naked wicked souls will be useful in the future knowing what someone is most ashamed of seems like a good way to peg the unrepentant assholes. Also the 5+ success giving more info then they knew can give really cool info often about who wants revenge on them.
 
That does not look like the most likely call for five days.

They have been here some time, unnoticed.
At least since those murders you attribute to them (which sounds pretty likely right now).
I doubt that five more days make a difference in calling reinforcements.

Possibly they just set the date with the expectation that we would attack before then and run into a trap.
Or they have some other plan for the time or place.
But a plain "we need more time to get doods here" seems very unlikely, they would have been better off not meeting us yet.
Its possible. I'd call it 50:50 myself.

Or just that they tipped their hand by killing a bunch of people in Chinatown(those are the ones whose deaths have been noticed; may be more), and have noticed the cops and Dresden poking at the trail. And Dresden is a known associate of both Molly and her Dad.
Or it could be Lydia developing contacts among the local ghosts that would give them away.

So its a fish or cut bait situation; cant stay hidden for long, so declare yourself and set a date, or get discovered.
And there's the skinwalker wildcard.
 
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1)If they are akuma, its not possible. Their souls are literally in hock to their overlord.
He can order them to commit suicide and they'd do it; they dont even get a roll to resist.

2)Why would we want them?
As far as we know, they are akuma or worse. People who knowingly sold their souls to Yama Kings for power after dying and clawing their way out of the Thousand Hells the first time.

Im not going to say that they are all beyond redemption, but frankly most Red Court vampires have done less shit than an akuma.
Meh just a thought of possibilities, their current goal is dealing with Molly. If we had the charm Molly switches from being a mere social monster, to Solar competently talk you into rewriting your entire life's motivation and goals. We can make them good people.
 
Meh just a thought of possibilities, their current goal is dealing with Molly. If we had the charm Molly switches from being a mere social monster, to Solar competently talk you into rewriting your entire life's motivation and goals. We can make them good people.
The Yama King owns their soul. This is a literal statement.
Its stored in the YKs treasury. Thats what happens with akuma.
They dont get to have free will that their owner cannot overrule at a whim.

Their Yama King can remake them at will, destroy them at will.
Body and mind and soul.
Most prisoners of the Hells have more control over their personal destiny than an akuma does.
 
Current tally:
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Feb 13, 2023 at 12:29 AM, finished with 171 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Plan Hail to the Queen
    -[X] Use Intimidation Excellency
    -[X] Question the vampire
    —[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
    —[X] What Lady Eiko is like
    —[X] what forces he's aware of in the area
    -[X] Use the Crown
    —[X] On the vampire: "What does the ultimate faction behind this messenger know of what they call the dark seed?"
    -[X] Stunt: "Akuma " Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still".
    -[X] As her countless eyes open to seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serve as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words.
    -[X] Send the vampire back carrying a message changing the location to Mac's pub at noon on the same day, and carrying an email to negotiate further details through.
    [X] Plan Hail to the Queen v2
    -[X] Use Intimidation Excellency
    -[X] Question the vampire
    —[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
    —[X] What Lady Eiko is like
    —[X] what forces he's aware of in the area
    -[X] Use the Crown
    —[X] On the vampire: "What are the ultimate faction's behind this messenger plans in regards to me and mine?"
    —[X] When Molly gets home, target the big book of Yomi Wan and ask "What do the factions described within this book know of what Emma-O calls the seed of darkness?"
    -[X] Stunt: "Akuma " Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still".
    -[X] As her countless eyes open to seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serve as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words.
    -[X] Send the vampire back carrying a message changing the location to Mac's pub at noon on the same day, and carrying an email to negotiate further details through.
    [X] Plan Demon-Empress Inquisition
    -[X] Etiquette Excellency is still active. Renew if necessary
    -[X] Question the vampire
    —[X] Where are they dwelling
    —[X] What Lady Eiko is like
    —[X] How long have the servants of Kakuri been in Chicago
    —[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
    -[X] Use the Crown
    —[X]On the vampire: "Who have his party fed on/killed since arriving in Chicago?"
    —[X]On the Letter: The nature of the mission(s) his group is on. Ask after he has left
    -[X] STUNT: "Akuma" Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still". As her eyes seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serv re as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words. "First, I would have your name of you."
    [X] Plan Hail to the Queen mod. Yog
    -[X] Use Intimidation Excellency
    -[X] Question the vampire
    --[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
    --[X] What Lady Eiko is like
    --[X] what forces he's aware of in the area
    -[X] Use the Crown
    --[X] On the vampire: "What are the ultimate faction's behind this messenger plans in regards to me and mine?"
    -[X] Stunt: "Akuma " Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still".
    --[X] As her countless eyes open to seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serve as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words.
    --[X] Send the vampire back carrying a message changing the location to Mac's pub at noon on the same day, and carrying an email to negotiate further details through.
    --[X] As the messenger leaves, Molly's parting words echo in his mind: "Know, even as your mistress does not, that I am more than fair in paying what is owed; you should feel my generosity for your service, short as it might be"
    [X]Plan flip the table
    -[X] Etiquette Excellency is still active. Renew if necessary
    -[X] Question the vampire
    —[X] Where are they dwelling
    —[X] What Lady Eiko is like
    —[X] How long have the servants of Kakuri been in Chicago
    —[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
    -[X] Use the Crown
    —[X]On the vampire: "Who have his party fed on/killed since arriving in Chicago?"
    —[X]On the Letter: The nature of the mission(s) his group is on. Ask after he has left
    -[X] STUNT: "Akuma" Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still". As her eyes seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serv re as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words. "First, I would have your name of you."
    -[x]If they have killed anyone in Chicago then kill the messager take a bleach bath and go to the their dwelling in the morning to fuck them up.
 
The Yama King owns their soul. This is a literal statement.
Its stored in the YKs treasury. Thats what happens with akuma.
They dont get to have free will that their owner cannot overrule at a whim.

Their Yama King can remake them at will, destroy them at will.
Body and mind and soul.
Most prisoners of the Hells have more control over their personal destiny than an akuma does.
As mentioned before, that's only the case for full-on Greater Akuma.

It is mentioned in the 1000 Hells book that the Yama Kings also use lesser Akuma, so I really doubt some young messenger-minion here is a Greater Akuma.
 
As mentioned before, that's only the case for full-on Greater Akuma.
It is mentioned in the 1000 Hells book that the Yama Kings also use lesser Akuma, so I really doubt some young messenger-minion here is a Greater Akuma.
No thats inaccurate.
As mentioned in the Thousand Hells book(page 104), every time you make a deal with a Yama King, you sign a contract with a portion of the soul encased in jade and handed over.

Greater Akuma sell their soul off in one go to one King.
Lesser akuma sell it off piece by piece in so called Iris Bulb Commerce, often trying to sell different chunks to two or more different Yama Kings, and still usually ending up with one YK acquiring all their debt.

And then once all the fragments of their soul end up in the hands of one owner, said owner summons them, forces them to enact the Rite of Renunciation, either in their dreams or the material world.
And they become property.

Page 110, Thousand Hells.

EDIT
Page 111 explicitly states that both the souls of greater and lesser akumas can be found in the Yomi Kings treasury.
Bound in ornaments of jade.
 
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[X] uju32

No thats inaccurate.
As mentioned in the Thousand Hells book(page 104), every time you make a deal with a Yama King, you sign a contract with a portion of the soul encased in jade and handed over.

Greater Akuma sell their soul off in one go to one King.
Lesser akuma sell it off piece by piece in so called Iris Bulb Commerce, often trying to sell different chunks to two or more different Yama Kings, and still usually ending up with one YK acquiring all their debt.

And then once all the fragments of their soul end up in the hands of one owner, said owner summons them, forces them to enact the Rite of Renunciation, either in their dreams or the material world.
And they become property.

Page 110, Thousand Hells.

EDIT
Page 111 explicitly states that both the souls of greater and lesser akumas can be found in the Yomi Kings treasury.
Bound in ornaments of jade.
Yes, but until you are fully there the Yama King can't simply override your will.

I'm sure that this guy here is both an Akuma in the social/political sense and actually serves a Yama King, but I don't think every minion in that category is fully owned by Emma-O.
 
Oh, he is Akuma. Usum confirmed it when he said that was one who had known the touch of Kakuri.
That's not a confirmation at all, though. A wan-kuei who has escaped from Kakuri would also know its touch.

I would caution against assuming Emma-O or his subjects care about breaking the Accords, or violating Mab-guaranteed neutral places if its convenient. I mean, its not like they havent gone to war with Winter before.
And the heart of their power is, by Word of QM, far from where Winter's power is strongest.
This isn't bad for us, though. They are already implicitly acting against Winter by disputing the results of the conflict in which our exaltation was taken as a trophy of war. Drawing them into more active conflict with Winter is all the better for us, as long as we are not implicated as the initiator of said conflict.
Intimidation, Empathy and Etiquette are all 4, so we dont benefit from switching.
The interrogation DCs explicitly work off how scared of us he is. That's intimidation, not etiquette.
"First, I would have your name of you."
Just pointing out, but this probably counts as a separate question, raising further DC, because it's very likely to consider that we are asking its True Name, which has power. This should probably be indicated in the list of questions.
—[X]On the Letter: The nature of the mission(s) his group is on. Ask after he has left
Why waste the question? Yes, he can be ignorant, but he's unlikely to lie to us.
—[X]On the vampire: "Who have his party fed on/killed since arriving in Chicago?"
Is this fishing for more foci?
 
Yes, but until you are fully there the Yama King can't simply override your will.

I'm sure that this guy here is both an Akuma in the social/political sense and actually serves a Yama King, but I don't think every minion in that category is fully owned by Emma-
Fair enough.

That's not a confirmation at all, though. A wan-kuei who has escaped from Kakuri would also know its touch.
A Wan Kuei who knows the touch of Kakuri but isnt an akuma wouldnt be in the entourage of an envoy from Kakuri.

This isn't bad for us, though. They are already implicitly acting against Winter by disputing the results of the conflict in which our exaltation was taken as a trophy of war. Drawing them into more active conflict with Winter is all the better for us, as long as we are not implicated as the initiator of said conflict.
For one thing, it was a war, not a contest.
Winter demonstrated they were powerful enough to capture and keep it.
Winter is under no obligation to prevent them tryimg to retake the shard from a thirdparty.


For another?
Mab might take retaliatory action for an Accord breach, but that might well be on the scale of decades and wizard lifetimes.

It was Year 8(Small Favor) when Nicodemus breached the Accords by attacking and kidnapping the Archive in the pursuance of her contracted duty. It was Year 14(Skin Games) when Mab instructed Harry Dresden to take engineer revenge on her part by walking Nicky into sacrificing his reputation, his minions and his daughter, without even getting most of what he was after.

Similarly, it was Year 1 when the Red Court gave Mab's second in command a Nemesis-infected gift in Grave Peril, crippling her second in command, infecting and leading to the death of her daughter, bringing Outsiders into Faerie, and damaging Winter.
It was in Year 11 that Mab retaliated by giving Lea a hunting license to aid Dresden in wiping out the Red Court in Changes.

Winter's timeframes are not useful to us.
The interrogation DCs explicitly work off how scared of us he is. That's intimidation, not etiquette.
Thats not what it says.
[] Question the vampire (DCs will increase with each question as he recalls less immediate sources of terror; they will be asked in the order voted for)
The terror level is already fixed, and will drop with time.
We arent resetting it higher by using Intimidation. You get much the same result from rolling Intimidation as rolling Etiquette; we are as good at both. And we've already activated the Etiquette Excellency.

We can do the creepy politeness thing just fine with Etiquette.
Just pointing out, but this probably counts as a separate question, raising further DC, because it's very likely to consider that we are asking its True Name, which has power. This should probably be indicated in the list of questions.
We are asking for a usename.
Not a True Name.
Thats why its part of the flavor text of a stunt, and not on the actual list of questions that count for the purposes of interrogation.

Why waste the question? Yes, he can be ignorant, but he's unlikely to lie to us.
1)He might genuinely not know, or be misinformed.
The head of the group, this Eiko person, is under no obligations to be tell anyone else anything until its time.
I'd rather not rely on his guesses.

2)He is akuma.
Even if he knows, he might not be able to tell because he's under orders.
Akuma cant disobey orders.

Is this fishing for more foci?
Yes.
If they've been feeding on people in the Chicago area, I'm willing to bet that there's a lot more than just three people affected.
Both people who survived, and those who died to "natural causes".

If a person died in their sleep, and didnt get a thorough autopsy, its gonna slip under the radar.

And thats not counting people who got disposed of in other ways.
Cannibalism is a thing some Wan Kuei indulge in even when they dont have to.
And Akuma tend to worse, and more likely to indulge their tastes, than standard Wan Kuei.
 
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A Wan Kuei who wasnt an akuma wouldnt be in the entourage of an envoy from Kakuri.
That's a strong statement. Why not, if the price is right? Not all deals involve bartering one's soul.
Winter is under no obligation to prevent them tryimg to retake the shard from a thirdparty.
They are, if they do not want it used against them.
Winter's timeframes are not useful to us.
They are, since Emma-O operates on the same timeframes and would include them in his planning.
Thats not what it says.
The terror level is already fixed, and will drop with time.
We arent resetting it higher by using Intimidation. You get much the same result from rolling Intimidation as rolling Etiquette; we are as good at both. And we've already activated the Etiquette Excellency.

We can do the creepy politeness thing just fine with Etiquette.
I read this part differently. DC is essentially "how scared he's of us vs. how scared he is of his bosses", from my reading of the text.
We are asking for a usename.
Not a True Name.
Thats why its part of the flavor text of a stunt, and not on the actual list of questions that count for the purposes of interrogation.
Then ask "what do I call you?". The question is "what is your name?". It looks like we are asking for his true name.


Ok, so, by all your voting combined, I have made a compromise plan! From @uju32 I take the order of questions, and the crown question with the vampiric focus, and the question with the letter as the focus. From @BronzeTongue I take the stunt, the form of the first question. From myself - the idea to use the book of Yomi Wan as the focus later,

[X] Plan By Your Voting Combined
-[X] Use Intimidation Excellency
-[X] Question the vampire
--[X] what forces he's aware of in the area
--[X] What Lady Eiko is like
--[X] The nature of the mission his group is on
--[X] How long have the servants of Kakuri been in Chicago
-[X] Use the Crown
--[X] On the vampire: "Who have his party fed on/killed since arriving in Chicago?"
--[X]On the Letter: The nature of the mission(s) his group is on. Ask after he has left
--[X] When Molly gets home, target the big book of Yomi Wan and ask "What do the factions described within this book know of what Emma-O calls the Black Seed?"
-[X] Stunt: "Akuma " Molly begins, in a soft voice that doesn't so much carry over other sounds as deaden it with its passing, "I have need of your services still".
--[X] As her countless eyes open to seek answers, she pins her unnamed companion beneath the weight of her regard. "Answer me truly, promptly, and with all possible diligence and it will be as a messenger" or lie and serve as a message promised the venomous courtesy threaded through her words.
--[X] Send the vampire back carrying a message changing the location to Mac's pub at noon on the same day, and carrying an email to negotiate further details through.
 
I really wish there were two different words for "Wan Kuei who goes against the rules or traditions of the major Courts" and "Person who has completly lost their soul to a Yama King and can be turned into a fully controlled puppet any moment".

Both are Akuma, and this guy is definitly the former, but we don't know if he's the latter.
 
That's a strong statement. Why not, if the price is right? Not all deals involve bartering one's soul.
Because a Yama King is not so short of manpower that he would send people he doesnt control on sensitive, information controlled missions. Especially since its precisely the sort of intel that a renegade would be able to sell to other Yama Kings.

Emma-O certainly has no interests in competing with Mikaboshi for this.
They are, if they do not want it used against them.
No they arent.
They've already demonstrated their ability to smack down Emma-O last time he armed his people with it.
If Emma-O retakes it and tries to use it, they get smacked down again.

And its worth recalling he's not the only YK. He's got rivals to worry about.
They are, since Emma-O operates on the same timeframes and would include them in his planning.
WE dont.
Not yet.
I read this part differently. DC is essentially "how scared he's of us vs. how scared he is of his bosses", from my reading of the text.
I dont agree.
If that was true, everytime we rolled Cha + Intimidation + Excellency, we would be resetting his terror levels .
Which is clearly not the intent.

Then ask "what do I call you?". The question is "what is your name?". It looks like we are asking for his true name.
Its in the stunt, not the main body of the vote where the QM said we should list our questions.
I dont think the QM is going to make that mistake.
 
Because a Yama King is not so short of manpower that he would send people he doesnt control on sensitive, information controlled missions. Especially since its precisely the sort of intel that a renegade would be able to sell to other Yama Kings.

Emma-O certainly has no interests in competing with Mikaboshi for this.
That is also a strong statement. Let's take winter. Winter has at most what, twenty operatives to whom Mab can entrust negotiating with us on her behalf? Most of whom are occupied or otherwise unavailable right now. This is the reason we aren't asking Winter for help with naagloshii - lack of available operatives. And yes, diplomatic vs. combat assignments, but, if anything, I would guess that the pool of diplomats is smaller. Scaling off winter, Emma-O would have what, five to ten people who he could trust negotiating and potentially trying to capture us here?
I dont agree.
If that was true, everytime we rolled Cha + Intimidation + Excellency, we would be resetting his terror levels .
Which is clearly not the intent.
Sorry, what I meant, and didn't convey, my fault here, was that from the reading of the text, I think that we'll be rolling a Cha + Intimidation roll against ever increasing DC. Not Cha + Etiquette roll. So, in order to get more and better answers, we need intimidation excellency. Etiquette just doesn't apply to this interrogation.
Its in the stunt, not the main body of the vote where the QM said we should list our questions.
I dont think the QM is going to make that mistake.
I don't think that would be a mistake. What we meant, and what we are saying are two different things. We are asking for a name. A terrified vampire would (and this is first question, peak terror here) think that we are extracting his true name from him. Might even give it.
 
So on a unrelated note, what do people want in the Kingdom Charm?

I want a Vast and at the most Harsh weather so we have a LOT of land and can make reasonable use of it.

I will be editing and expanding Mu knce I get home after work but what do you want from that char.?
 
That is also a strong statement. Let's take winter. Winter has at most what, twenty operatives to whom Mab can entrust negotiating with us on her behalf? Most of whom are occupied or otherwise unavailable right now. This is the reason we aren't asking Winter for help with naagloshii - lack of available operatives. And yes, diplomatic vs. combat assignments, but, if anything, I would guess that the pool of diplomats is smaller. Scaling off winter, Emma-O would have what, five to ten people who he could trust negotiating and potentially trying to capture us here?
Winter =/=Yomi Wan.
They are structured differently. Winter(and Summer) are more or less feudal nations with hard redlines but broad latitude in how a lot of its citizens appear to act. And as a whole, Fae leadership likes the material world stable.

The Hells are a magical slavocracy, where the King in charge can give hard orders to akuma that they are physically incapable of disobeying. They apparently have a regular supply of akuma, to the point that they destroy some for entertainment, or sacrifice them to the Wan Kuei for diplomatic purposes.

And they like an unstable world, which guarantees a regular supply of Yomi-bound souls.

Winter not having trustworthy operatives they can trust to operate in their name in the material world just means they have higher standards than the Yomi Kings. They have concern about avoiding collateral damage that disrupts the material world on a societal level; the Yomi Kings welcome it.


Also, Yomi Kings and their agents can literally talk to Wan Kuei, their primary targets in their dreams.
That means they can afford to do a lot more magical Zoom conference calls and send physical agents out to other issues. Winter can do dream meetings as well, but very seldom does.

Basically, different realms, different constraints.

Sorry, what I meant, and didn't convey, my fault here, was that from the reading of the text, I think that we'll be rolling a Cha + Intimidation roll against ever increasing DC. Not Cha + Etiquette roll. So, in order to get more and better answers, we need intimidation excellency. Etiquette just doesn't apply to this interrogation.
Oh; now I see your argument.
And no, I still dont agree. Its a social roll to extract information from a terrified person; the less terrified they are, the higher the DC.

You dont need to come the heavy to do this. Cops, social workers, medics and intelligence agents do this all the time.
They dont necessarily have to intimidate their marks; some of the best interrogators never raise their voice, and make you believe they are your friend while they are terrified.

An Etiquette Excellency, and even an Empathy one, would work just fine here.
I don't think that would be a mistake. What we meant, and what we are saying are two different things. We are asking for a name. A terrified vampire would (and this is first question, peak terror here) think that we are extracting his true name from him. Might even give it.
I dont agree.
The vote was structured to avoid that sort of confusion.
 
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