Thanks. Did we also tell Thomas? Our family (father and mother)? Members of the Order?
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Yes to Michael and Harry told Thomas, no to the Order, they are far enough removed from Harry who seems to have been the target that Molly did not automatically inform them. You guys can vote to do so if you want of course.
Its not, thats why i called it the protagnist syndrome. You can't say people are your friends and allies and make unilateral descision. Him being a warden doesn't change that, because their entire job is just enforcement of the laws of magic, they don't have any sort of duties regarding the masquerade or the hidden war or whatever.
Because everyone in their tribes know the stories. If they leak then the entire tribe will empower it. A single cop is a entirely different matter.
Because we fundamentally know how much energy is in a single persons emotions, its not a lot.
None of those without the oblivion war actually benifit from ignorance.
The outer gates obscured to prevent any shenanigans and even still, everyone with any knowledge know about them. The entire redcourt is summoning outsiders so i sincerly doubt its not a well know fact on the community of that entire ecosystem.
There tens of thousand of vampires and shih that know about the yomi wan. Its a major faction in asia, us censoring a book is us being cautious. If there knowldge was that dangerous, it would have done something in the thousands of years of their existence. There spirits can literally just walk between the people if they want to, so its hardly a secret.
The only reason harry doesn't know about them is because he is an ignorant idiot that isn't trusted by his superiors. Because bob knows all those information, he never asks him.
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1)We do know it was targeting Harry.
It literally murdered Lt Greene, then transported his body to a site witn conveniently situated security cameas and dismembered him on a recording to get Dresden arrested.
2)Literally stated outright in the update by Usum:
3) Murphy is not our friend or working colleague.
We have only ever met the woman twice that Im aware of, at the Splattercon hotel and Arctis Tor. She most definitely knows nothing about Molly's power besides her being good in a fight against Fae. No frame of reference for Molly
She has no reason to consider Molly a reliable source of warning about supernatural monsters.
Especially since we cant actually tell her how we know; we have been repeatedly told to shut the fuck up about the Crown.
So no, not our fuckup.
4)Of course we told Lydia. She is a potential opportunistic target.
And we live in an angelically warded household with a Knight of the Cross. No naagloshii is coming there.
Im assuming we told Michael at a minimum, just like we asked Brother Divsimar.
Using the same logic, it was targeting Lt. Greene. It has been in town for more than two months. It's a monstrous sadistic god. If it wanted Harry dead, he would be dead. Unless it has some additional goals for its presence, like killing Harry on Halloween for some magical reason, or it absoultely have to make the death look like an incident or a sucide, there's no reason for it to have stuck around for more than two months, especially since it literally drains its power away. I am fairly sure that it could ambush and kill Dresden in a week at most. So, based on the sole fact that Harry is still alive and the only interaction he had with naagloshii was several months ago, we can draw a conclusion that he's not the reason for its continued presence in town.
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Perhaps it tried to get Harry first.
Then it saw Molly and now tries to get her.
It'd be a much tastier meal for it.
More dangerous too.
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[x] Yes, she deserves to know and who knows if those people from the Library of Congress have her back maybe she can do something about it
If it wanted Greene dead, it would have just murdered him outright and dumped his body.
It went to the trouble of framing Dresden, so it was clearly targeting him for some reason, and we dont have any indication that its stopped.
It might not be here just to kill Dresden; in canon, it wanted to kill Morgan as part of the setup in starting a war between the White Council and White Court. Here, it tried to get Dresden as part of clearing the field for Kattrin's ritual.
We dont know the details of the wider plot yet.
Or, like I pointed out earlier, its possibly acting a lot more cautious since Molly activated shintai in the museum.
Or since it realized that Michael is in town with Amoracchius,
Chicago isnt as riskfree for a skinwalker as it was at the beginning of June.
Yes you can.
Need to know is a thing. And in this setting, knowing a thing can empower it against you. Like Dresden told Billy after Kirby died:
And Dresden is literally a paramilitary commander of the White Council's military/enforcement arm in an ongoing war as well as an everyday diplomatic representative. His interpretation of White Council guidelines can and does set policy; his immolation of Bianca St Cloud's court set off the Vampire War. Being his friend doesnt necessarily entitle you to more information
Like I said, this is a situation where his judgement is wrong, and we should point it out.
However, the general principle is not actually invalid.
Thats inaccurate.
Many/most know to beware of skinwalkers. Most of the stories however apparently arent shared widely. This isnt like fairy tales where the stories are meant to be traded widely. Naagloshii stories arent.
Thats canon as of Turn Coat.
I wasn't worried about the skinwalker sneaking up on me. Oh, sure, he might do it, but not cold. Supernatural beings like the skinwalker had so much power that reality itself gets a little strained around them wherever they go, and that has a number of side effects. One of them is a sort of psychic stench that goes with them—a presence that my instincts had twigged to long before the skinwalker had been in a position to do me any real harm.
Read a little folklore, the stuff that hasn't been prettied up by Disney and the like. Start with the Brothers Grimm. It won't tell you about skinwalkers, but it will give you a good idea of just how dark some of those tales can be.
Skinwalkers are dark compared to that. You've got to get the real stories from the peoples of the Navajo, Ute, and other Southwestern tribes to get the really juicy material. They don't talk about them often, because the genuine and entirely rational fear the stories inspire only makes the creatures stronger. The tribes rarely talk about them with outsiders, because outsiders have no foundation of folklore to draw upon to protect themselves—and because you never know when the outsider to whom you're telling dark tales might be a skinwalker, looking to indulge a sense of macabre irony. But I've been in the business awhile, and I know people who know the stories. They'd confided a handful to me, in broad daylight, looking nervously around them as they spoke, as if afraid that dredging up the dark memories might catch a skinwalker's attention.
Because sometimes it did.
That's how bad skinwalkers are. Even amongst the people who know the danger they represent, who know better than anyone else in the world how to defend against them, no one wants to talk about skinwalkers.
Read a little folklore, the stuff that hasn't been prettied up by Disney and the like. Start with the Brothers Grimm. It won't tell you about skinwalkers, but it will give you a good idea of just how dark some of those tales can be.
Skinwalkers are dark compared to that. You've got to get the real stories from the peoples of the Navajo, Ute, and other Southwestern tribes to get the really juicy material. They don't talk about them often, because the genuine and entirely rational fear the stories inspire only makes the creatures stronger. The tribes rarely talk about them with outsiders, because outsiders have no foundation of folklore to draw upon to protect themselves—and because you never know when the outsider to whom you're telling dark tales might be a skinwalker, looking to indulge a sense of macabre irony. But I've been in the business awhile, and I know people who know the stories. They'd confided a handful to me, in broad daylight, looking nervously around them as they spoke, as if afraid that dredging up the dark memories might catch a skinwalker's attention.
Because sometimes it did.
That's how bad skinwalkers are. Even amongst the people who know the danger they represent, who know better than anyone else in the world how to defend against them, no one wants to talk about skinwalkers.
1)The Necronomicon and its author both existed in the Dresdenverse.
In fact the Gatekeeper is supposed to have been responsible for killing Al-Hazred the mad Arab.
2)That isnt true. Dresden had been a regional commander for the Wardens for at least six years, was made Winter Knight, died and came back before he found out the Gates were more than just a figure of speech. He was a senior war commander and noone told him, even when Outsiders were a threat class to worry about in combat.
3)The Red Court summoning Outsiders requires one, or a small group of renegades, thats all.
No need for broad dissemination of knowledge.
4)The vampires who know about Yomi Wan escaped from Yomi Wan after dying; thats how they became vampires.
They arent mortals. And even they arent immune; canon for Kindred of the East Thousand Hells is that the book Broken Winged Crane made a kuei-jin arhat Fall.
5)General caution has nothing to do with it. Its canon for this quest that we censored for two reasons
-some things dont translate in English.
-some of what we know will drive people mad.
Memetic threats are very much alive and well.
If our knowledge was easy and safe, the book wouldnt be worth very much, since all the hundreds or thousands od eastern White Council members would already have access to it.
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[X] Yes, she deserves to know and who knows if those people from the Library of Congress have her back maybe she can do something about it
Free information for everyone.
In this case it's not very relevant, since the Naagloshii doesn't seem to have notable weaknesses that a non-native mortal like Muphy can use, but it's principle for me.
Having their full suite of weaknesses and strenghts published broke the Black Court, the same should definitly happen to more supernatural predators.
Free information for everyone.
In this case it's not very relevant, since the Naagloshii doesn't seem to have notable weaknesses that a non-native mortal like Muphy can use, but it's principle for me.
Having their full suite of weaknesses and strenghts published broke the Black Court, the same should definitly happen to more supernatural predators.
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Even when the monster gets stronger by more people knowing about it?
Although I have to admit sus there, because if that were the case you would think that they Skinwalker could manage to be it's own hypeman.
Presumably there are rules and restrictions bunding it.
Like the ones that say they gradually lose power away from tribal lands. Else theyd just move to a major city and start a serial killing spree for power.
Yes. And assuming that its continued presence has anything to do with Dresden is fallacious. If it also thinks we are Wan Kuei, it might want to try and frame us for stuff. Or it could have recognized / sensed us or Lydia and wants to eat us for power. Or it could be after something else. Lots of options.
Yes, and White Council asserts jurisdiction over human magical talents, not over humanity in general. His standing as a White Council representative has no bearing here.
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[X] Yes, she deserves to know and who knows if those people from the Library of Congress have her back maybe she can do something about it
1)For the Black Court only, because they have a unique set of vulnerabilities that are easily exploited.
Sidhe weaknesses to cold iron are in most fairytales since print started, and do fuckall.
Hell, Mab explicitly made a deal with the Brothers Grimm to publish fairytales of the Sidhe, weaknesses and all.
2)I quote:
In canon, Dresden told Murphy about the naagloshii in the belief that she'd know when she's fucking outclassed.
And Murphy had the good judgement to stay out and keep her head down.
Dude trusts her enough to talk to her about internal White Council stuff.He needs a gentle reminder, not our powerbombing his relationships. Dude has few enough as it is.
Same with Murphy.
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To quote one of my lecturers from uni, when you hear hooves in your city center it suggests horses not zebras.
If a hitman takes a swing at someone, fails to kill them and is still hanging around, the assumption is that its looking to finish the job, not that its suddenly decided to become a photographer.
Similarly, the naagloshii successfully framed Dresden for Lt Greene's death, but Dresden beat the rap, and now its apparently still hanging around his city, a thousand miles from its homebase.
The conclusion is that its trying to finish the job, not that it switched victims for a much more difficult target like Molly.
There may be more than one goal intertwined.
Or timing issues, especially on the eve of Halloween. Or even just prescouting because of the two new Exalts joining the Swordbearer in the city. No idea.
But I think its indisputable that Dresden is a target here.
He generally is in these things.
His standing as a White Council representative always has bearing.
As the Bianca Barbecue and its aftermath demonstrates, supernatural powers can use his actions as a pretext for diplomatic or military action as they so choose.
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Do we have any idea how quickly Skinwalkers lose power when they're away from their home territory? And can it be refreshed by making frequent trips back to recharge? Or is lost power lost for good, at least until they snack on more practitioners to regain what was lost?
As far as you know they do not lose power, they just become more and more obvious, as they draw power from land that is strangte to them. They gain all the knowledge of mages they eat and pretty much all of them have eaten a wizard who knows how to tap a ley line.
What job? The job of putting Dresden in jail? That seems implausible. And still easily accomplishable (get drugs, put them into Dresden's car, etc). And if a naagloshii wanted Dresden dead, Dresden would be dead.
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Say what you will of Harry, but easy to kill is not one of them.