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[X]Fuck it, you've had enough of living like a beaten dog! For what Kuyo's done to you not once but twice, you're gonna rip out his throat even if it kills you!
 
[X]Fuck it, you've had enough of living like a beaten dog! For what Kuyo's done to you not once but twice, you're gonna rip out his throat even if it kills you!
 
gamer50018 said:
And if it doesn't need time to take effect? Gin doesn't say he has limited time, he says his Stand is completely useless against Kuyo.
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Heading back to check... [Bad Moon Rising] is a Stand which acts like an astronomical-scale mirror array. He can use it to simulate a full moon by having it divert sunlight passing by the Earth to either side, focus it into a coherent beam, then bounce it off the Moon's surface and guide it down to his location to create a 'full moon' on demand. It could also be used as a knockoff of the ARCHIMEDES weapon from Fallout: New Vegas, but Gin refrains from doing so because he hasn't had any need for a weapon which is extremely powerful, but also slow and inaccurate and generally ill-suited to anything other than destroying entire city blocks.

I'm willing to bet that the reason his Stand's power is somehow inferior to a natural full moon is either that he can't get it to bounce light off the entire Earth-facing surface of the Moon at once, there's enough signal loss from bouncing the light around that the amount which ultimately reaches him is less than what a proper full moon can provide, or that there's some kind of calendological aspect where the full moon's power for werewolves derives in part from it happening at specific intervals, on specific days of the year, etc.

Depending on how wide the gulf is between his Stand's "full moon" and the genuine article... if the gap is relatively small, it might be that he's only confident of being able to defeat Kuyo if he can pull off a proper alpha strike - smash open Kuyo's skull before he has any chance to notice his presence, much less react. If the gap is relatively big, it might be that Kuyo's Stand is a bit like Silver Chariot, where you need a minimum amount of speed yourself to keep up with the thing.

The latter would be fairly refreshing, since it 'just' means that Kuyo can tag in an ally that only other Stand Users can see and which is very fast and dangerous itself.

The former would point toward some kind of esoteric effect. [In the Flesh] negating/corrupting Stands has already been raised as a possibility, but I can think of a few others.

For example, it could let Kuyo 'shed' injuries to his own body onto people around him, a la the Wormverse villain King (and Kuyo has some particular hangup, or the price of using it is high enough, that keeps him from unleashing it without significant cause).

Alternatively, it might be something of a riff on violence/death-triggered Stands like [Civil War] and [Notorious B.I.G.], in that it automatically takes effect whenever Kuyo is seriously injured, so you can only avoid whatever it does by killing him at a stroke.

A third, potentially nastier possibility is that Gin in specific is vulnerable because [In the Flesh] is a Stand which attacks people with manifestations of people they feel responsible for harming, a la The Sorrow from Metal Gear Solid 3. Gin would thus have to face off against his former fellow Newspaper Club members and potentially his senpai as well - meaning that taking the risk of getting hit by Kuyo's Stand is tantamount to having his deepest trauma ripped open and weaponized against him. Given that Kuyo's been doing pretty well in this fight thus far, Gin might assume that without his intervention, Jotaro and co have no chance to turn things around, and if he presumes that [In the Flesh] is something he can't overcome, then by that logic everyone is screwed.
 
[X] Fuck it, you've had enough of living like a beaten dog! For what Kuyo's done to you not once but twice, you're gonna rip out his throat even if it kills you!

Think of it this way, Gin: at least you've got a pack to hunt with!
 
GardenerBriareus said:
Heading back to check... [Bad Moon Rising] is a Stand which acts like an astronomical-scale mirror array. He can use it to simulate a full moon by having it divert sunlight passing by the Earth to either side, focus it into a coherent beam, then bounce it off the Moon's surface and guide it down to his location to create a 'full moon' on demand. It could also be used as a knockoff of the ARCHIMEDES weapon from Fallout: New Vegas, but Gin refrains from doing so because he hasn't had any need for a weapon which is extremely powerful, but also slow and inaccurate and generally ill-suited to anything other than destroying entire city blocks.

I'm willing to bet that the reason his Stand's power is somehow inferior to a natural full moon is either that he can't get it to bounce light off the entire Earth-facing surface of the Moon at once, there's enough signal loss from bouncing the light around that the amount which ultimately reaches him is less than what a proper full moon can provide, or that there's some kind of calendological aspect where the full moon's power for werewolves derives in part from it happening at specific intervals, on specific days of the year, etc.

Depending on how wide the gulf is between his Stand's "full moon" and the genuine article... if the gap is relatively small, it might be that he's only confident of being able to defeat Kuyo if he can pull off a proper alpha strike - smash open Kuyo's skull before he has any chance to notice his presence, much less react. If the gap is relatively big, it might be that Kuyo's Stand is a bit like Silver Chariot, where you need a minimum amount of speed yourself to keep up with the thing.

The latter would be fairly refreshing, since it 'just' means that Kuyo can tag in an ally that only other Stand Users can see and which is very fast and dangerous itself.

The former would point toward some kind of esoteric effect. [In the Flesh] negating/corrupting Stands has already been raised as a possibility, but I can think of a few others.

For example, it could let Kuyo 'shed' injuries to his own body onto people around him, a la the Wormverse villain King (and Kuyo has some particular hangup, or the price of using it is high enough, that keeps him from unleashing it without significant cause).

Alternatively, it might be something of a riff on violence/death-triggered Stands like [Civil War] and [Notorious B.I.G.], in that it automatically takes effect whenever Kuyo is seriously injured, so you can only avoid whatever it does by killing him at a stroke.

A third, potentially nastier possibility is that Gin in specific is vulnerable because [In the Flesh] is a Stand which attacks people with manifestations of people they feel responsible for harming, a la The Sorrow from Metal Gear Solid 3. Gin would thus have to face off against his former fellow Newspaper Club members and potentially his senpai as well - meaning that taking the risk of getting hit by Kuyo's Stand is tantamount to having his deepest trauma ripped open and weaponized against him. Given that Kuyo's been doing pretty well in this fight thus far, Gin might assume that without his intervention, Jotaro and co have no chance to turn things around, and if he presumes that [In the Flesh] is something he can't overcome, then by that logic everyone is screwed.
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He doesn't specify his Stand, though. He says Stands are useless against Kuyo, period. And when we fought Gin a while back and he used Bad Moon Rising, he was at what the others said was his full power. Which is why I'm worried, because that means that Star Platinum can't bail us out if Gin's right and we can't figure out some kind of limit to whatever ability he has that's doing this. Gin didn't use it against us directly, so it might be that Bad Moon Rising isn't able to fight on its own and whatever In The Flesh is just nullifies Stand powers, but he doesn't seem to think that's how it works.
 
EvaUnit01 said:
When San Otonashi graduated, that left Kuyo as the mightiest monster on campus.

When the Newspaper Club still continued to challenge his authority and "justice" after that, he made an example out of them. A warning to the rest of the student body and faculty of what could happen to anyone else who upset his "peace".

Gin's still around partly because he was still so wrapped up in his thuggish "lone wolf" mentality that he didn't put up much of a fight when it could have made a difference, and partly because when he was ready to stand up and fight... it was already too late. After witnessing the aftermath of what Kuyo did to his clubmates, Gin surrendered and was allowed to live on and remind people not to cause too much trouble.

...or something like that, anyway.

Now, I'm certain that some might be inclined to ask: "Given all the nonsense we've seen over the course of the year, who the hell can call this a peace?!"

"People who survived the previous few years and still remember how much worse it was back then," I might reply.

Something something, "people who carelessly fight against monsters eventually become monsters themselves."
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How was this school supposed to teach anything? No seriously if it's worse than this guy monsters are better off just wandering around the human world without any training at all.
 
Cjdavis103 said:
How was this school supposed to teach anything? No seriously if it's worse than this guy monsters are better off just wandering around the human world without any training at all.
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Well, if I had to make an educated guess.

I might suggest that there could have been a period of actual comparative peace further back where things worked pretty decently for a long while, possibly even as far back as the school's founding.

At a point when many monsters may have acted relatively "domesticated" to effectively hide amongst humans, then it stands to reason wilder/more misbehaving monsters would grow emboldened to prey on their fellows in a belief of being able to get away with it.

Over time, malice and corruption spread through the students and even the faculty until the chaos reaches a boiling point and is no longer even remotely tenable.

Which might be where the story as we know it begins to form.

Now, I can imagine that some among you might be inclined to ask, "Why are you talking about educated guesses, when you're the QM?! Shouldn't you know all this like the back of your hand?!"

To which one possible response might be: "...well, shit, that's a pretty good question."
 
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Update 177 - Season Finale and Joestar, part 8
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    • "Tsukune...? Tsukune, wake up...!"

    As streams of dull pink and violet aura emanate from Moka's trembling body, the charred mass held delicately in her arms fails to respond. A moment passed, as her pretty green eyes flashed red -- and then with an ugly scream to the sky, the anguished vampire girl got to her feet with a blind fury.

    "Damn it Moka, I'm not gonna lose you too! Tsukune wouldn't want that!"

    Kurumu reached out through bitter tears for Moka's shoulder, to try and pull her back... only to miss and catch her Rosary seal instead, which easily came away with a soft 'clink' as a hurricane of pink and violet energy burst from the latter's body.

    _______

    You, of course, are unaware of the drama unfolding elsewhere.

    Having jumped onto the back of Kuyo's monster form's neck while he was distracted, your attention is devoted almost entirely to force-feeding the twisted bastard your finest knuckle sandwich.

    ORAORAORAORAORA!!!

    Kuyo roars as you repeatedly drive a Ripple-empowered fist into his eye, thrashing around and rolling around in an attempt to disrupt your grip and make you let go of him.

    Between the searing agony of his fur constantly burning at your flesh, and the almost nauseating sensation of your Overdrive feeding off of his heat it and constantly regenerating those injuries at the same rate, your concentration is already stretched enough that it doesn't really take much for him to break your grip.

    Rather than let him roll over and try to crush you beneath his center of mass, however, you grit your teeth and kick the son of a bitch in his side with everything you're worth!

    ORRRAAAA!!!!!

    The sheer force of your supernatural strength lifts Kuyo off the ground and sends him flying a good few meters! And though he quickly rolls onto his feet, there's a split-second hitch where Kuyo can't hide the damage you inflicted on him. To say nothing of the blistering, swollen eye he can no longer see out of. On the one hand, it presents a tempting blind spot --but on the other hand, for all that today's enemy is crazy, he's not stupid. If you manage to escape his vision at all, he's cunning enough to anticipate that you'd use that blind spot and try to counter it...

    []Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him!
    []He tried to immolate your girl! You're beating this bastard until he cries like a goddamn baby, and the others can take their pound of flesh from whatever leftovers remain when you're done!

    "I must confess... I'm disappointed in you, JoJo! I never expected that base sentimentality would have such a hold on you!"

    At that moment, a pulse of energy ripples across the courtyard, instantly blowing out several of the smaller fires that have sprung up and staining the entire sky a thick, bloody red.

    She's here now...

    []Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
    []No matter how livid you might be, the fact remains that he did try and lob an attack at your friends not too long ago. You should spare a brief glance in their direction to check up on them while Kuyo's processing this change in the situation.
     
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    • [X]He tried to immolate your girl! You're beating this bastard until he cries like a goddamn baby, and the others can take their pound of flesh from whatever leftovers remain when you're done!

    Best not to back off/hold back.

    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.

    Never get distracted in a fight.
     
    [X]He tried to immolate your girl! You're beating this bastard until he cries like a goddamn baby, and the others can take their pound of flesh from whatever leftovers remain when you're done!

    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.

    We couldn't help even if we knew what had gone wrong, anyway.
     
    [X]Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him!

    Remember the lessons of Dark Souls, people. Never go for the greedy swing.

    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]He tried to immolate your girl! You're beating this bastard until he cries like a goddamn baby, and the others can take their pound of flesh from whatever leftovers remain when you're done!
    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him!


    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.


    .......... Fuck.
     
    [X]He tried to immolate your girl! You're beating this bastard until he cries like a goddamn baby, and the others can take their pound of flesh from whatever leftovers remain when you're done!

    [X]No matter how livid you might be, the fact remains that he did try and lob an attack at your friends not too long ago. You should spare a brief glance in their direction to check up on them while Kuyo's processing this change in the situation.
     
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    [X]Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him!


    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]He tried to immolate your girl! You're beating this bastard until he cries like a goddamn baby, and the others can take their pound of flesh from whatever leftovers remain when you're done!

    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him!
    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him!


    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him!
    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him! [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him!
    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]He tried to immolate your girl! You're beating this bastard until he cries like a goddamn baby, and the others can take their pound of flesh from whatever leftovers remain when you're done!

    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]He tried to immolate your girl! You're beating this bastard until he cries like a goddamn baby, and the others can take their pound of flesh from whatever leftovers remain when you're done!

    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.
     
    [X]Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him!


    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.

    We can't let up. Right now we just need to continue tanking and drawing Aggro until someone lands something impactful enough to force his guard down and then we remind the world why Star Platinum is considered by Araki himself to be the strongest stand in the world.
     
    [X]Keep Kuyo focused on you, in hopes that one of your friends will be able to exploit his blind spot with a surprise attack. Whatever it takes to defeat him!
    [X]Great timing, the two of you can wrap this up in no time flat and then move on to the business of getting everyone else taken care of.

    The truest power of friendship, having another person to help you kick the everliving crap out of someone.
     
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