Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Before I said that our strong point wasn't talking, but killing stuff. I said that based on just how much XP we have spent on being better at killing stuff rather than talking, but thinking about it more when it comes to CODs we are actually much better at talking then killing.
It mostly comes down to Demonic Primacy of Essence ●. A -3 DC is very powerful. If we could get a charm that reduced the DC of all combat rolls by 3 I expect that we would buy it in a heartbeat. We would likely buy it even if it cost 3 dots or more.
But it isn't just that most of our socialish charms only work on COD or turn people into COD.
So ironically the stuff that we are feel the least compunction about killing we are better at talking to and the people that we want to talk to we are better at killing. Which is a fairly normal state of affairs for an Infernal that doesn't decide to join the side of the monsters.
It mostly comes down to Demonic Primacy of Essence ●. A -3 DC is very powerful. If we could get a charm that reduced the DC of all combat rolls by 3 I expect that we would buy it in a heartbeat. We would likely buy it even if it cost 3 dots or more.
But it isn't just that most of our socialish charms only work on COD or turn people into COD.
So ironically the stuff that we are feel the least compunction about killing we are better at talking to and the people that we want to talk to we are better at killing. Which is a fairly normal state of affairs for an Infernal that doesn't decide to join the side of the monsters.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Mind linking me again? I am unable to find it.
fictionfan
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Here it is. Just searched for posts by him that had the word discord in them.I found the material on ExWoD-dedicated discord that I found in an old 2020 RPG.Net thread I accidentally found with a google "Exalted Versus World of Darkness" request. A moment, I'll ask for permissions to post the links.
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Workings homebrew specifically. Supposedly unfinished.
Exalted vs. the World of Darkness: Divine Workings
Exalted vs the World of Darkness: Divine Workings This is a supplement designed for my Healing World homebrew. It is meant to be used in combination with that article, but does not strictly have to be. Any listed differences for the Healing World version will be bolded and have (HW) at the end t...docs.google.com
Preparations make a big difference. That was everything she had at hand, at that moment. Difference between "just" activating all social charms you got on a short notice, and truly preparing everything you got could easily be 10-15 dice.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Thanks. Also @DragonParadox there has been an update on raising Essence.
View: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vvDvYRWHOD6qbUfKgLB14UtGVncW1uoA/view?usp=sharing
The New Model
Your Essence rating is no longer raised by banking experience points and spending them to push it up. Instead, much as with Exalted Third Edition, Essence passively rises over time as you gain experience wielding your Exalted might. When you've earned and spent certain total amounts of experience points on other traits (such as Charms, Attributes, Charms, Abilities, Willpower, Charms, and, let us be honest with ourselves, Charms), your Essence rating goes up.
Will you be willing to use this?
And here is the updated rules including Anima rules.
View: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OR3l9gBweLkPueFBukBM8LKi4_NnwXWu/view?usp=sharing
Here is the revided merit in question.
Anima Control (4pt. Merit)
This is a revised version of the Anima Control Merit for those using the revised anima banner rules found in this chapter, replacing the version found in the corebook. If you're not using this book's revised anima rules, continue using the version in the corebook.
The Exalt may fully control the manifestation of her anima banner, causing it to appear or vanish at will. Characters with an equivalent of the Night Caste anima power (including Night Castes, Day Castes, and Infernals with the Crown of Night) pay two points for this Merit. Dragon-
Blooded and Liminal Exalted must pay five points.
View: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vvDvYRWHOD6qbUfKgLB14UtGVncW1uoA/view?usp=sharing
The New Model
Your Essence rating is no longer raised by banking experience points and spending them to push it up. Instead, much as with Exalted Third Edition, Essence passively rises over time as you gain experience wielding your Exalted might. When you've earned and spent certain total amounts of experience points on other traits (such as Charms, Attributes, Charms, Abilities, Willpower, Charms, and, let us be honest with ourselves, Charms), your Essence rating goes up.
| Essence | Experience Spent |
|---|---|
| 2 | 20 |
| 3 | 65 |
| 4 | 100 |
| 5 | 150 |
Will you be willing to use this?
And here is the updated rules including Anima rules.
View: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OR3l9gBweLkPueFBukBM8LKi4_NnwXWu/view?usp=sharing
Here is the revided merit in question.
Anima Control (4pt. Merit)
This is a revised version of the Anima Control Merit for those using the revised anima banner rules found in this chapter, replacing the version found in the corebook. If you're not using this book's revised anima rules, continue using the version in the corebook.
The Exalt may fully control the manifestation of her anima banner, causing it to appear or vanish at will. Characters with an equivalent of the Night Caste anima power (including Night Castes, Day Castes, and Infernals with the Crown of Night) pay two points for this Merit. Dragon-
Blooded and Liminal Exalted must pay five points.
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I, personally, really like the idea, but it is going to need some tweaking; we are running on a very different XP economy. Numbers gonna need to be adjusted.
With the way we get 20-30xp per arc, E3 is prolly would be appropriate somewhere around 100-150xp.
Anyway, I missed this one. I wonder what other previews I missed, aside from the stuff that's prolly not relevant to this game like Revelers and Heart-Eaters.
With the way we get 20-30xp per arc, E3 is prolly would be appropriate somewhere around 100-150xp.
Anyway, I missed this one. I wonder what other previews I missed, aside from the stuff that's prolly not relevant to this game like Revelers and Heart-Eaters.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Not really. We can still spend from Molly's pool on them.
Even otherwise, charms, which make up the bulk kf an exalted's power is not Essence locked baring some extreme examples.
All raising Essence does is increase the cap on Essence spending and terrestrial are limited in their pool anyway.
Even otherwise, charms, which make up the bulk kf an exalted's power is not Essence locked baring some extreme examples.
All raising Essence does is increase the cap on Essence spending and terrestrial are limited in their pool anyway.
fictionfan
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How so? If anything it helps them, but them not having to spend to get it.
What I found interesting is that there is soak 2 armor with no dex penalty.
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- Germany
I find that more questionable than the other examples.
God moves in mysterious ways and I would not call him an absolute good by any means.
And the Outsiders, well they are certainly evil from our perspective, but I could kinda understand if they were like Raksha and just hated ordered reality on principle. Returning to the Wyld is not morally wrong, just extremly destructive.
As for the rest of the shades of grey, yes most mages players and organisations have done a lot of shit in Dresden Files, which is why I am generally in favor of tearing it all down.
I'd prefer it if there were enough Exalted to secure the further existance of the world afterwards, but to have it all end in fire might be fun too.
Unfortunately, from what I know, they eat life energy by amplifying the emotions, so it's the first situation.
This has great advantages but would disrupt quite a lot of our already established xp economy.
We would instantly qualify for at least essence 3, which on one hand I would like very much but on the other… wait why am I arguing against free essence 3?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
There is a very easy way to solve this. Say this is implemented and we immediately qualify for E5.
Rather than just jump to E5 we wait to the next xp spending turn and instead go up one Essence automatically. So E2 to E3. Then in the next xp spending turn we go E3 to E4 and after that E4 to E5.
So we do not jump multiple Essence ratings in one go and @DragonParadox can keep things balanced.
It is also supported by the update.
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COMMENTARY
-Given as Isabella is still under twenty, the funeral of her great grandfather took place no more than 15 years ago.
And Whampires have lifespans on the order of centuries or longer.
Wonder what killed him.
-Skavis, and probably all Whamps, have the Presence Discipline.
That joins Fortitude and Auspex on the confirmed list.
-Isabella implies the existence of an active social circle of White Court virgins and younglings.
Thats an interesting wrinkle.
That suggests that she probably knew, or knows, both Inari and Thomas Raith.
-The use of aurochs as a comparison dates OldSkavis to a time when large aurochs herds were common.
Given his colloquial use of Latin, as far back as the heyday of the Roman Empire. And the fact that he carries a weapon suggests he might be (one of)the White Court versions of the Blackstaff: an experienced troubleshooter to handle Court-scale problems.
Then of course there's his name: Leinth.
Same as the presumed Etruscan god/goddess of death and sometime protector of children. Which means he was either born in the Etruscan period(900 BC to ~30AD), or to someone born in the Etruscan period. Which makes him easily a thousand years old, possibly more than two thousand years old.
Leinth - Wikipedia
A lot of research went into this. Kudos, @DragonParadox.
Molly social reveal: 7 sux in 14 dice at DC7. Legendary
Bella perception: 1 sux on 5 dice at DC7. Lol.
Minion recruitment: 5 sux on 14 dice at DC7. Legendary.
To be fair, for Infernals its more subversion than redemption.
It can be applied as redemption, but the other way as well. It just depends on who is running shit.
There are mechanics in this game system that explicitly establish that killing people as anything other than a last resort is a Bad Thing. You cant undo a killing, or the consequences thereof, so you'd best be damn sure who you're killing. Kicking off a war and getting thousands of people killed due to an impulsive hit is not the good thing to do, and we dont get to act with impunity.
Surgeons and tailors both have the same rule: Measure twice, cut once.
1)Deter us from acting where necessary? No.
Being sure of what the effects of our actions are before acting? Yes. Especially when there is no time pressure. Im not advocating running across actual slaves and kidnappings and turning a blind eye. Or walking away from a murder.
And yes, shutting down operations we dont like/approve of is par for the course.
2)It isnt a national scale slaving operation, its a national scale influence operation run on top of several dozen or several hundred individual sex trade operations. People underestimate just how much of this stuff is stuff that's legal, ignored, or at best prosecuted at the misdemeanor level.
I mean, we have the details here:
Names, dates, pictures, false IDs and lines on maps flash through your mind and you begin to see the shape of it.
The White Court has always known the desires of the powerful and it has always known them, but long before the first far venturing fur trader had glimpsed the flash of the sun in the waters of Lake Michigan, before the first galleon made it across the Atlantic even they had learned not to put themselves too far forward. Powerful men often turn against lovers be they so carefully cultivated to suit them, resentful, suspicious. And so the incubus, the succubus had taken a step back for the most part, becoming purveyors of vice at one remove, a web of brothels and escort services, health spas and massage parlors, designed not to appear to the public at large but to the elite, particularly the political elite, though some of those files also include the military, high finance and, most distastefully, religious reasons. Most of the people being used this way are in some way beholden to their 'benefactors', whether they are in the country illegally or had some other reason to leave their old lives behind. Hooks behind hooks....
There is not a shred of doubt in your mind that the dirt in those files and now in your head is enough to start a dozen sex scandals and it would be more if you had some of the pictures and documents rather than just knowing they exist.
The White Court has always known the desires of the powerful and it has always known them, but long before the first far venturing fur trader had glimpsed the flash of the sun in the waters of Lake Michigan, before the first galleon made it across the Atlantic even they had learned not to put themselves too far forward. Powerful men often turn against lovers be they so carefully cultivated to suit them, resentful, suspicious. And so the incubus, the succubus had taken a step back for the most part, becoming purveyors of vice at one remove, a web of brothels and escort services, health spas and massage parlors, designed not to appear to the public at large but to the elite, particularly the political elite, though some of those files also include the military, high finance and, most distastefully, religious reasons. Most of the people being used this way are in some way beholden to their 'benefactors', whether they are in the country illegally or had some other reason to leave their old lives behind. Hooks behind hooks....
There is not a shred of doubt in your mind that the dirt in those files and now in your head is enough to start a dozen sex scandals and it would be more if you had some of the pictures and documents rather than just knowing they exist.
This stuff is aimed at the elite, not mass market.
The clientele are people who can afford to regularly drop four to five figures on escort services for a night, or who are valuable enough that subsidising their rates is worth the trouble of cultivating them. I gurantee they are making a good profit.
The details of most of that? Mostly legal.
At the rates of upscale sex workers there's no shortage of young people to do it willingly today, and Whamps can use a little mojo to help with recruitment. Law enforcement is more likely to get you on financial crimes associated with accepting and processing payments, or tax evasion than on actual vice crimes absent evidence of organized crime or violence.
Hugh Hefner essentially ran his shit out of the Playboy Mansion in public, after all.
And brothels are legal in 10 out of 17 counties in Nevada.
Specifically?
Look up the DC Madam affair in the 1990s, which included up to around 15,000 clients, including at least one US senator.
Or the escort agency scandal that brought down New York Governor Elliot Spitzer. Or Congressman Matt Gaetz's..everything.
Heidi Fleiss - Wikipedia
Deborah Jeane Palfrey - Wikipedia
Brandi Britton - Wikipedia
Escort agency - Wikipedia
Emperors Club VIP - Wikipedia
Eliot Spitzer prostitution scandal - Wikipedia
Excellencies and some other charms last for [Essence + 1 turns] duration.
/nitpicking
Details?
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From what we know of the Raith's systems of raising their children, they probably don't interact with said circle of virgins and younglings, because that would be interacting with people in the know and Papa Raith very much don't want them to before they kill someone.
In the setting, the White God is an absolute good. I didnt make the rules.
And no, the Outsiders are certainly absolute evil; nothing entitles you to destroy everyone else. Even the Raksha had periods of peace with Creation; they didnt spend all their time trying to destroy it and all its inhabitants. Even the Neverborn didnt.
Most organizations have done reprehensible shit as a factor of their being human or human-descended, and having power.
Thats not something that is within our ability to change by destroying organizations, and setting up new organizations with mortals/mortal descendants in charge.
And I have no interest in "we had to destroy the village to save it" solutions.
At least, Papa Raith's kids didnt, not before they fledged/Awakened.
The other Raiths probably did.
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Well, yes, but your two examples where both Papa Raith's kids, so ones that were very unlikely to be in this group.
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Thomes was propably a full Whampire by the time she was born, so not much reason for contact.
All organisations can be shit and certainly all will have their share of bad actors and such.
But that's still less bad than being systematically build on exploiting and literally or metaphorically eating humans like the Vampire Courts.
Those would be much higher on my list than the White Council for example, which more or less just needs reforms to be better, not being burned to the ground.
I kinda doubt that is the case in the crossover.
Exalted themes are pretty obvious about negligent or careless absolute powers making things worse.
The Primordials were the absolute authority that was so bad that their own divine servants made a plan to empower mortals to beat them.
The Solars were so caught up in their own worlds that they might have destroyed creation without the Usurpation.
And even in the latter days of Exalted it's a very common story that Immaculate Monks or the PC-Exalted have to force gods to do their jobs properly, while the Incarna themselves neglect their work for for the most part to play the games of divinity.
The White God being infinitly better than all those and actually embodying pure good without vice, which even Sol couldn't do despite literally being designed as perfectly virtous, that seems pretty far out there.
Well, the easy way would be to upscale the amount of xp needed for essence increase.
The core difference between the current and proposed system is that the current one give the players a choice between wide and tall builds, In terms of cultivation novels (which are appropriate, I feel, for exalted discussion) - it gives you q choice of either firming your foundation, or pushing for a breakthrough.
Now, personally, I am more interested in Anima control merit. The revision buffs it up a lot. Which would change essence spending economy a lot. Right now we are essentially limited to 4 essence for social manipulation, and it doesn't scale at all. This would solve this issue.
BTW, apparently Holden also decided to write some rules for mass combat, if you wanted to go fight 1000+ ppl at the same time.
You need to scroll down somewhat but it is there, titled "Mass Combat."
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You need to scroll down somewhat but it is there, titled "Mass Combat."
EvWoD - Google Drive
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What do you mean by implusive. Its not an impulse at all. These are beings that prey on peoples despair. They are actively helping cover and likely are part of human trafficking.
They are already at war with any being that has a shred of morality. This wouldn't be a war that we started, its just one that we will finish.
[X] Question Agent Greene to get her side of the story
-[X] Have the cyberdevil in Sarah's computer transfer the data it saved to Clippy, without restoring Sarah's access to it.
-[X] Have the cyberdevil in Sarah's computer transfer the data it saved to Clippy, without restoring Sarah's access to it.
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My short response is that they weren't very absolute if they got overthrown, now were they?
For a long response, I don't know what the QM has planned, so the following is highly speculative, and I might even advise the QM that maybe this is one of those topics we shouldn't poke too much because a four-way crossover between Exalted, WoD, Dresden Files, and reality is likely to result in weird edge cases and contradictory setting facts. Focus more on punching vampire face, less on cosmology.
With that caveat in mind...
Christianity is committed to worshiping the absolute good.
Some other religions have ancestor-worship, sun-worship, pantheons of small gods and personal patrons, or other kinds of finitude that can "play nice" with crossovers.
But the core Christian creeds, the community of saints, the catechism that Molly has as a Catholic, these things are about the absolute good Himself (notwithstanding a few fringe heretics). He who has made all things; He who will judge all things; He who is the final authority on what good and evil are. If you disagree with Him, you are wrong.
A lot of people have objections to this, ranging from schismatic quibbles to complete disbelief, and IRL we mostly have an uneasy truce over it. But it's hard to check cosmological facts one way or the other.
Exalted introduces weird superpowers for checking cosmology directly, like the Crown of Eyes that we've been politely asked not to use on the White God.
If it's discovered through cosmology-checking superpowers that the White God of this setting is not the absolute good but merely a Primordial or similar very-big mostly-good, then that implies Christianity is false and all Christians should cease worshipping the White God. Your interpretation of Exalted themes seems sharply at odds with my interpretation of Dresden Files themes, then.