Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The problem is that this kind of cult requires complete isolation from other sources of information, I'm not really sure that it is the case here.
This is kind of difficult to discuss in broad terms without referencing a bunch of IRL gigabullshit going on right now, but I think nobody would really appreciate this thread turning into "modern affairs" so I'll skip the specifics. Try to, anyway. Still, I could at least say some things.

Physical presence of people nearby or easy access to internet, television or radio news doesn't shield one from isolation or mistaken beliefs. People's intrinsic resistance to bullshit has harsh limits. That's one a tough cookie to grapple with, but I kind had had it thrust at me fairly harshly through entirety of this year.

We live in an age where entire nations in both first and third world demonstrate that is trivially easy to shield humongous layers of population from any inconvenient information through combination of filling their attention with garbage and cultivating "us vs them" and various spins on the "we are different, better" attitudes. Nvm using family connections. This bullshit, after certain critical mass, becomes self-reinforcing as people work to ensnare each other. Making otherwise mentally healthy people latch onto vile ideologies and stubborn denial while making them harshly attack anything that tries to shake them back into sanity.

I had closely interacted with a staggering amount of people who start the dialogue by vocally express doubts about about sources of information available to them, confide in their conviction that people around them are trying to bullshit them, proclaim themselves as capable of critical thinking and then launching into defense of corruption and genocide not a minute later. Worse, then they begin attempting to protect people who lie to them, exploit them, and abuse them. It is fucking surreal to observe in real life, but it is not an isolated case, this just how people are vulnerable to illness of the mind in the same way as they are vulnerable to a common cold.

There are dedicated studies on how for all seeming interconnected-ness of the modern age, plentiful access to information that modern digital information technologies allow, people typically prefer to exist in a very limited number of social groups, have a limited number of friends, and seek out information from a very limited number of sources. These are the vulnerabilities which cult and cult-like organizations used and continue using to fuck with people all through the history by pushing out the "undesirable" out of social reach and making sure that people have nothing left but to stew in cult bullshit, opinions of other influenced people and propaganda-masked-as-secret-insight even as they are physically surrounded by well-meaning, completely normal individuals.

That's just how people work. That one survivor "snapping out of it" and leaving the fucked up social group - which are typically their only family, friends, and coworkers - to search for different belief systems and different idols is an exception, not the norm.

This is a very complicated topic, tbh.
 
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[X] Question Agent Greene to get her side of the story
-[X] Have the cyberdevil in Sarah's computer transfer the data it saved to Clippy, without restoring Sarah's access to it.
 
I don't really see why you perceive my disagreement with the decision of voters as an insult, but I should moderate my further takes on the issue to avoid making you or Goldfish uncomfortable, I guess.

Ok, let me explain then, this:
I hope people who voted for social resolution are satisfied with your new minion.

Can easily be taken as: *you bunch of morons did a mistake, this is going to blow up in our face and I will be there to tell you "I told you so" when it happens*.

There is such a thing as phrasing and implied meaning, and yours was very much coded as condescending right off the bat. You may not have intended it that way, but that's how it came out, and it reflected on all the rest of the conversation as a result.

And as Goldfish said, uncomfortable is very much not the right word, I was explaining why people told you you were salty, nothing more, nothing less.

I would warn you to be careful about any and all morality debate on forums, they are the kind of subject that can easily explode into flame wars, the best thing is to keep calm and make sure that your posts seems calm, and if you don't think you can do it, avoid them entirely, it's better for everyone including you.

This is a very complicated topic, tbh.

Amen.

I can only give you one rating, but know that if I could give two you would have gotten a hug too.
 
Given that it is a rite of passage I think it makes sense for all of them, it just says deeply unpleasant things about the prevailing cultures

Oh, absolutely. But for a Raith it makes sense by the traditional meaning as well.

And it's more than that - most of what we know about Whampires is just filtered through Raiths being the ones we know best. We know that Raiths, not knowing what they are, will still instinctively kill their partner the first time they have sex. How does that compare to how things work for the ones with different dietary preferences? Would they instinctively kill anyone sufficiently afraid or despairing?
 
So, do the maggots created by Mana Maggot Plague need to be consumed raw? Or can we dump a few in a blender, throw in some fruit and other stuff, and just give our minions Essence Smoothies?
 
She's making a decent first impression, I think I might grow to like our new minion.

Of course, I still think she would have been acceptable damage in killing her Uncle, but that ship has sailed.
 
So, do the maggots created by Mana Maggot Plague need to be consumed raw? Or can we dump a few in a blender, throw in some fruit and other stuff, and just give our minions Essence Smoothies?
We are more likely to cook them likely in Boiling Oil. Make grub nuggets. Our culinary skills are vast and cooked grubs are eaten all over the world.
 
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We are more likely to cook them likely in Boiling Oil. Make grub nuggets. Our culinary skills are vast and cooked grubs are eaten all over the world.
Now I'm imagining Molly hosting a cooking show where the entire kitchen and all of the normal cooking paraphernalia is generated by TTC. I bet the ratings would be killer.
 
Apropos of nothing, Holden re-revised Alchemicals and there is a preview on that discord link I posted some time ago.

Gives me hope that maybe Infernal are going to get a second pass. Not much, very much not much, but some.
 
Cause you're a six on my scale."

"Scale?" He sounded bored.

"My very own patented risk taking scale," she had answered boldly. "One's a boring life, ten's a remarkable death. "

OOC: Given that you guys are currently rolling Perception+Empathy Auto-Successes against what should be DC 8 I figured giving you an interlude from your new minion would not actually give you more information than Molly should have IC while also being more engaging narratively than other forms of exposition.
Given that our perception+empathy means that all the knowledge here is stuff Molly knows in character next time Dad gets a mission from God we should invite Bela saying "It should be a X on your scale".
Now I'm imagining Molly hosting a cooking show where the entire kitchen and all of the normal cooking paraphernalia is generated by TTC. I bet the ratings would be killer.

Watching us cook hell grubs in hell's kitchen is likely to be metal enough to take the uncool factor out of being "vegetarian".
 
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Given that our perception+empathy means that all the knowledge here is stuff Molly knows in character next time Dad gets a mission from God we should invite Bela saying "It should be a X on your scale".

Molly obviously did not read her memories word for word, but things like the girl's general attitude towards killing, her relationship to Leinth are things that can be guessed at.
 
Ok so Maggot Mana Plague (••) is great charm for empowering minions with exotic diet requirements. It is also a good hock for keeping them loyal both from a power prospective but also because eating the grubs directly makes our social checks against them easier.

However it also costs 8 Xp which is a big ask considering how many other cool stuff we want to get.

Prince of Ruin is likely to help us everyday and only cost 3 xp.
Rendered Villain Dispersal (•) only costs 4 and gives us fast travel, hiding and easier essence recovery.
Night Swallows Secrets (•••) costs 9 XP and makes us fairly immune to masquerade breaks if we don't want them to happen.

So is Maggot Mana Plague (••) completive on this scale? What can we expect vampires with unlimited blood points spend to be able to do for us?
 
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I don't see the Charm making it into the next big XP spending session. Too much other stuff we need/want more.
I know that, but I am more asking what we should expect Thomas to be able to do if he had basically unlimited chi/blood points to spend. I am given to understand that he was running on close to empty for most of the books.
 
Yes, it is a definitive solution to the issue that doesn't need to be solved right now.

Meanwhile, E3+Combat stuff, E3+Kingdom, Scarlet Rhapture or [A bunch of social stuff] are all relevant to right now.
I know that, but I am more asking what we should expect Thomas to be able to do if he had basically unlimited chi/blood points to spend.
DP is currently having big thonks about how to model Thomas in combat, so we can't answer that.
 
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Yes, it is a definitive solution to the issue that doesn't need to be solved right now.

Meanwhile, E3+Combat stuff, E3+Kingdom, Scarlet Rhapture or [A bunch of social stuff] are all relevant to right now.

DP is currently having big thonks about how to model Thomas in combat, so we can't answer that.
Reading though the White Wolf Wiki I find it odd just how few powers seem to require the use of blood points. Not how we generally see things working in DF at all.
 
Well that went reasonably well I suppose. I'm still concerned it'll bite us eventually, but we'll work something out I guess.
The charm is just about how many people can be sustained by the meal, but does not specify how they are to be consumed, so yeah you can prepare them.
In light of this I'd like to lobby for making something that masks the grubs, then show a whole one to Thomas as he's halfway through his first serving. :V
 
BTW, given that we can alter aesthetic manifestation of our charms once we get our hell, we are not, strictly speaking, permanently locked into maggots.
 
Some clear cut uses for blood points

Uses for Blood Points

  • One blood point can heal a level of bashing or lethal damage in a single turn
  • One blood point can raise a Physical Attribute by one dot for a scene, up to one dot above their generational trait maximum. More blood can be spent to raise said attributes above said limit, but doing so lasts only 3 turns.
  • Some Discipline powers require spending blood points to activate their effects.
As I said the wiki didn't tell me the blood point cost for most Discipline powers but just taking these as the baseline a well feed Thomas can heal very quickly far faster then we can to the point that his blood pool can sort of be added to his health bar and generally manage super human physical feats.
 
Meanwhile, E3+Combat stuff, E3+Kingdom, Scarlet Rhapture or [A bunch of social stuff] are all relevant to right now.
Assuming roughly 16 XP points, I think the following would be an adequate spending plan:
Alchemy 2 (take Ability boosting potion recipe) - this disperses the need to buy Etiquette 5 and Empathy 5 for meeting Mab
Rendered Villain Dispersal
Hellscry Chakra (maybe)
BTW, given that we can alter aesthetic manifestation of our charms once we get our hell, we are not, strictly speaking, permanently locked into maggots.
I think the maggots are permanent, it's the effect they have on those that eat them that's malleable.
 
BTW, given that we can alter aesthetic manifestation of our charms once we get our hell, we are not, strictly speaking, permanently locked into maggots.
For that matter with enough alchemy we might be able to do something.

Not so much to circumvent the charm as to use the maggots as fuel to make something else, like the vampire equivalent of five hour energy.

They can store ridiculous amounts of power, so I'm kind of curious about what would happen if we stuck the equivalent of twenty or so human lives of power into a shot glass and fed it to one of them.
I think the maggots are permanent, it's the effect they have on those that eat them that's malleable
That doesn't make sense the me; the theme shifts mostly seem to be in how they look than in their fundamental function.

Using urban blight themes to turn the maggots into incredibly bland twinkies or something that do the same thing could sort of make sense, but making them do something other than fill the needs of this who eat them would basically make it a different charm.
 
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