Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Is she willing? She's been brought up in a family and taught that the way they do things is good and proper. If you've never had the chance to learn what's right and wrong from someone's who not a monster, how much of a monster are you?

Could she have just left? Possibly. Would the thought occur to an indoctrinated teen with nowhere else to go? Probably not.
Do you understand that almost every crime (we are not talking about criminals who are mentally ill) happens because of economical and cultural reasons? Does indoctrination really absolve a person from guilt, if their will is not impaired by physical or psychological violence?
 
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Someday we will say "I am Margaret Katherine Amanda Carpenter conjure at your own risk.". But I am not going to feel comfortable doing that before essence 3.

We should ask Thomas if he has any use for a young Syliga. Otherwise I am not sure what duty we are going to assign her.

I guess that she can help us with our homework? Or we can have her work with the Jade dogs.
Help Lydia adjust to adulting?

They do have a bit in common.
 
So... Six? I think he's underselling us. Well, serving us wouldn't be that dangerous, I guess. Us however? I am fairly sure we are a solid 8 on the scale right now, with "oh god why?!" when we are E5.

[X] Question Agent Greene to get her side of the story
-[X] Have the cyberdevil in Sarah's computer transfer the data it saved to Clippy, without restoring Sarah's access to it.

I wonder... Will we be able to keep Bella unititiated long enough that her first reaping is, I don't know, Red King's despair as we dethrone him? Or something like that.
 
I still think we should have killed the elder. Whats the fuck the point of being a heroes if we let fucking human trafficking fucks just ply their trade.

Do i need to repeat the pithy line about evil winning when a good (wo)man does nothing. We are doinh nothing right now.
 
So... Six? I think he's underselling us. Well, serving us wouldn't be that dangerous, I guess. Us however? I am fairly sure we are a solid 8 on the scale right now, with "oh god why?!" when we are E5.

[X] Question Agent Greene to get her side of the story
-[X] Have the cyberdevil in Sarah's computer transfer the data it saved to Clippy, without restoring Sarah's access to it.

I wonder... Will we be able to keep Bella unititiated long enough that her first reaping is, I don't know, Red King's despair as we dethrone him? Or something like that.
It's not how dangerous we are to our enemies.

It's how likely we are to get her killed.

The number will go down as we become better known and more powerful.
 
Yes, it seems also she lived in the complete isolation, where she had no chance to open a book about these small people.
The whole 'judge not lest you be judged' thing exists for a reason.

I'm not sure where you live or what you do, but just the fact that you're on an internet forum means there are likely to be people who were exploited and abused to ensure your comfortable lifestyle. It's the whole 'starving people in Africa' issue. She knew people were suffering for the benefit of her family, but it was nobody she knew. Few people are saints or missionaries to seek out those they've never met and champion them, most of us only do the right thing when the problem is in front of us - if that.

If anything, the fact that she sought out SOMETHING and SOMEONE more meaningful rather than being content with the ingrained exploitation and predation her family established is something of a good sign. As is the fact that her uncle chose a meaningful target for her first kill. But yeah... She's a fuckmothering vampire, not a saint. *Shrugs*
 
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In Dresden files it is dangerous to hand out names from your own mouth. For someone actually named Molly Carpenter it would be a remarkable act of trust to say both of them to another person.
Of course we are also a young Exalted. We are likely to change enough this week as to make it obsolete. We grow very fast.
 
Do you understand that almost every crime (we are not talking about criminals who are mentally ill) happens because of economical and cultural reasons? Does indoctrination really absolve a person from guilt, if their will is not impaired by physical or psychological violence?
I'm not saying she's absolved from guilt, just that I'm willing to offer the benefit of doubt to someone who's been indoctrinated.

Do you understand that indoctrination is more or less mental abuse, which sounds a lot like psychological violence with a different name?

She's not guiltless, but again, her situation needs to be taken into account. Being raised by murderous blood-sucking vampires is a little more than just an economical/cultural difference.
 
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I'm not saying she's absolved from guilt, just that I'm willing to offer the benefit of doubt to someone who's been indoctrinated.

Do you understand that indoctrination is more or less mental abuse, which sounds a lot like psychological violence with a different name?

She's not guiltless, but again, her situation needs to be taken into account. Being raised by murderous blood-sucking vampires is a little more that just an economical/cultural difference.

Technically it would be life sucking, or chi sucking if you want to use that paradigm.
 
The whole 'judge not lest you be judged' thing exists for a reason.

I'm not sure where you live or what you do, but just the fact that you're on an internet forum means there are likely to be people who were exploited and abused to ensure your comfortable lifestyle. It's the whole 'starving people in Africa' issue. She knew people were suffering for the benefit of her family, but it was nobody she knew. Few people are saints or missionaries to seek out those they've never met and champion them, most of us only do the right thing when the problem is in front of us.

If anything, the fact that she sought out SOMETHING and SOMEONE more meaningful rather than being content with the ingrained exploitation and predation her family established is something of a good sign. As is the fact that her uncle chose a meaningful target for her first kill. But yeah... She's a fuckmothering vampire, not a saint. *Shrugs*
I know about exploitation and alienation, but does it mean that modern people from West cannot persecute literal murderers because their lifestyle was based on exploitation of other nations? The thesis seems absurd. And our new friend lives in Chicago, you know. Every criminal, even privileged ones have economical and cultural reasons for their behaviour, does it mean that they do not bear responsibility?
 
I know about exploitation and alienation, but does it mean that modern people from West cannot persecute literal murderers because their lifestyle was based on exploitation of other nations? The thesis seems absurd. And our new friend lives in Chicago, you know. Every criminal, even privileged ones have economical and cultural reasons for their behaviour, does it mean that they do not bear responsibility?
Criminals bear responsibility for their crimes.

Criminals have reasons for their crimes, some of which are extenuating circumstances that affect their punishment.

These two statements are not exclusive.

(Again, not saying we shouldn't take down vampires or murderers. Just that some creatures of darkness can be redeemable based on their situations)
 
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