Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

1)It kind of is. But I care more about being able to help people on a large scale then our reputation.
2)It does seem anymore likely to happen then it does at any church.
3) Of course only people that it actually helps are going to go for the deal.
1)You should care.
Your reputation determines who you can help, and who will accept help from you. How many people accept help from Nicodemus?
How many approach Marcone if they have any other option?

2)Church does not have literal physical and mental consequences if you fail to pay a Sunday offering.

3) So how many people do you think can benefit from MiS in the Chicago metro area?
How many ghouls do you think there are? How many vampires?
As opposed to all the vanilla mortals?

MiS is not secret.
But in the situation at hand its useless. It will not help with vanilla human supernaturals.
 
1) I want to help where we can. If that pool is self limiting to the desperate that is alright. Also Nicodemus and Marcone both deserve their reputation and did not get it by accident. The best way to have a good reputation is lots of good examples.
2) It totally does. There is a huge amount various sociological and psychological tricks churches use to get members to pay up.
3) Why are you limiting it to Chicago? The beauty of this tactic is that it can help anyone as far as word spreads and that can manage money transfer.

Edit: Nevermind I just realized something. The White King is under a curse. Exactly the sort of thing that service to us suppresses. We don't want to make an open ended way to serves us without our consent or knowledge. Also we might be able to take over the White Court with a single conversation with the current figurehead White king.
 
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1)It kind of is. But I care more about being able to help people on a large scale then our reputation.
2)It does seem anymore likely to happen then it does at any church.
3) Of course only people that it actually helps are going to go for the deal.
Just letting something like that out into the wild is irresponsible. We'd be accountable for what would happen as a consequence of the disruption.

Your specific proposal is a good illustration of that. Tithing to a church doesn't directly benefit you, whatever psychological pressures are in play to make sure you cough up the cash, for relief from the sort of thing that MiS protects you from it might as well be fentanyl for the people capable of making use of it.

If their only requirement for it is paying us then some portion of their income it's pretty likely they'll do whatever they have to get any cash they can, and many of their first instincts aren't going to be pleasant.

We could be more specific and eliminate that particular loophole, but the general problem remains. If we put up a static rule set without actually administrating the people following them stuff is going to come up.

If we're going to put in the effort we might as well do it right and lead an organization instead of making a mess we need to clean up.
 
False Spring Beckon will work on vanila mortals, but it is a lot more essence intensive, not really the kind of thing you can use on mass and long term. Get high enough alchemy and you can get some pretty good metal results as well.
 
Cellphones do not work off communication satellites.
You mean relay nodes. Satellites are for satellite phones. You can also setup a shortwave radio network in principle. You'll need to work on encoding so the transmissions aren't intercepted, but in principle it's absolutely doable. cellphone signal amplifiers are available commercially and aren't even all that expensive. It's absolutely possible to equip underground with cellphone connectivity.

So yes, from engineering perspective, it's absolutely a solvable problem.
 
Im generally skeptical when people cavalierly talk about settimg up organizations to be milked for X purpose.
Organizations, they need to be run. They have bureaucratic overhead and require ongoing management.
Cant just fire and forget or you'll receive an unpleasant surprise

Or when Alratan was suggesting that we usurp Winter's job of guarding the Outer Gates so we can kill Mab.

Which would involve putting at least half a million combat troops and an indeterminate number of support troops on permanent deployment(and I mean permanent, because none of them get to go home according to Winter Lady Molly in Cold Case) at the Outer Gates, hundreds or thousands of daily casualties and Molly being on permanent call on the Outer Walls 24/7, like Mab is now.

None of this shit is free. All of it has costs and consequences, personal and otherwise.
Edit: Nevermind I just realized something. The White King is under a curse. Exactly the sort of thing that service to us suppresses. We don't want to make an open ended way to serves us without our consent or knowledge. Also we might be able to take over the White Court with a single conversation with the current figurehead White king.
I dont think you have actually read the books. If you had, you wouldnt even mention the White King as an option.

Papa Raith is a purulent sore of a human being, even by the standards of the worst vampires in the setting.
He has a recorded history of killing all his male kids to eliminate potential rivals. He has raped all eight of his living adult daughters into compliance, and its implied he killed the rebellious ones. By his own count, he's broken thousands of women.

He did deals with Outsiders for magic immunity.

For Molly personally, he killed Dresden's mother.
Tried to enthrall Lt Murphy. And tried to kill both Thomas and Dresden.
There is literally negative likelhood of Molly doing him any favor other than cutting his head off.

That curse you mentioned is literally Dresden's mother's death curse, which prevents him from feeding and growing his power.
Its anchored by the existence of her descendants, like Harry and Thomas and Maggie.

And its probably a moot point anyway, because at the end of Blood Rites, Lara Raith raped him (mentally, possibly physically) in order to break him and make him her puppet. Which he still is today.
Good chance there isnt enough left there to fix even if we wanted to.

You mean relay nodes. Satellites are for satellite phones. You can also setup a shortwave radio network in principle. You'll need to work on encoding so the transmissions aren't intercepted, but in principle it's absolutely doable. cellphone signal amplifiers are available commercially and aren't even all that expensive. It's absolutely possible to equip underground with cellphone connectivity.

So yes, from engineering perspective, it's absolutely a solvable problem.
Like you said, satellites require satellite phones.

Cellphones would work in Last Station with some support infrastructure, because it is a relatively open cavern whose characteristics can be mapped and designed around, and where there is going to be line of sight between any repeaters and cellphones. As you'll note, establishing cell service there is part of the plans for refurbing Last Station.

However.

Its not going to work in the tunnels, where radio reflectivity is unclear, rock and earth absorb radio waves, and where random magic interference is a thing, at least in Undertown
Furthermore, there is no repeater service down there, nor is it something you establish with five minutes work.

And in other underground tunnels, its probably worse absent the use of specialty undergound radios, and those have limited range.

So yeah, I stand by my statement.
Its not a solvable problem given our current tech.
Let alone 2006 tech.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Dec 26, 2022 at 4:31 AM, finished with 66 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] As Molly Carpenter, a newly active member of the greater supernatural community, previously aware of its existence but largely sheltered from it due to our age and parental concerns.
    -[X] Use Etiquette and Empathy Excellencies, with an aim toward easing the concerns and misgivings of those who might react negatively to our apparent nature.
    [X] As a powerful but ultimately human ally, a force for good that is ready to stand against the powers preying against them, a resource they could call upon
    -[X] Etiquette and Leadership excellencies, Empathy too if needed
    -[X] Consult with dad on how to make this work. He has a lot of experience meeting powerful men and things that only pretend to be men.
    -[X] TTC and BSM for makeup, hair styling, clothes selection and such to make yourself look like the image you want to present
    -[X] STUNT: Your day starts with making yourself look human. This is a but more literal for you than for many girls your age. Strange looking machinery scrubs your skin, washes and styles your hair, applies make up with micron scale precision. Your mom serves as the judge to how you look. In the front yard Black Rider waits to ferry you to the meeting place.
    [X] Plan A Growing Girl
    -[X] As someone who has found and claimed great power that is still growing into her grasp of it.
    [X] As Molly Carpenter, inexperienced sorceress just learning the ropes
    [x]You're powerful and willing to take them on as minions if they volunteer, but honestly you can't really see them being all that helpful to you so you would rather just be friendly without obligations for now.
 
[X] As Molly Carpenter, a newly active member of the greater supernatural community, previously aware of its existence but largely sheltered from it due to our age and parental concerns.
-[X] Use Etiquette and Empathy Excellencies, with an aim toward easing the concerns and misgivings of those who might react negatively to our apparent nature.
 
[X] As Molly Carpenter, a newly active member of the greater supernatural community, previously aware of its existence but largely sheltered from it due to our age and parental concerns.
-[X] Use Etiquette and Empathy Excellencies, with an aim toward easing the concerns and misgivings of those who might react negatively to our apparent nature.
 
[X] As Molly Carpenter, a newly active member of the greater supernatural community, previously aware of its existence but largely sheltered from it due to our age and parental concerns.
-[X] Use Etiquette and Empathy Excellencies, with an aim toward easing the concerns and misgivings of those who might react negatively to our apparent nature.
 
[X] As Molly Carpenter, a newly active member of the greater supernatural community, previously aware of its existence but largely sheltered from it due to our age and parental concerns.
-[X] Use Etiquette and Empathy Excellencies, with an aim toward easing the concerns and misgivings of those who might react negatively to our apparent nature.
 
Did we ever get a ruling on what benefits would come from TTC based appearance stuff?

If we can actually do that and the dice are good we should consider slapping it onto all of the current plans for the extra dice.
 
I dont think you have actually read the books. If you had, you wouldnt even mention the White King as an option.
I have read the books and all the things that you said about him is true. We still could take over the white Court with one conversation with him if we wanted to. I don't think that we do.
 
I have read the books and all the things that you said about him is true. We still could take over the white Court with one conversation with him if we wanted to. I don't think that we do.
That seems really over optimistic; the white court already has people running it, and they would fight back on that.

Even if we could, which is a stretch on a base mechanical level, it would be significantly more effort than one conversation.
 
OK, looks like we are going as Molly
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 26, 2022 at 11:33 AM, finished with 75 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] As Molly Carpenter, a newly active member of the greater supernatural community, previously aware of its existence but largely sheltered from it due to our age and parental concerns.
    -[X] Use Etiquette and Empathy Excellencies, with an aim toward easing the concerns and misgivings of those who might react negatively to our apparent nature.
    [X] As a powerful but ultimately human ally, a force for good that is ready to stand against the powers preying against them, a resource they could call upon
    -[X] Etiquette and Leadership excellencies, Empathy too if needed
    -[X] Consult with dad on how to make this work. He has a lot of experience meeting powerful men and things that only pretend to be men.
    -[X] TTC and BSM for makeup, hair styling, clothes selection and such to make yourself look like the image you want to present
    -[X] STUNT: Your day starts with making yourself look human. This is a but more literal for you than for many girls your age. Strange looking machinery scrubs your skin, washes and styles your hair, applies make up with micron scale precision. Your mom serves as the judge to how you look. In the front yard Black Rider waits to ferry you to the meeting place.
    [X] Plan A Growing Girl
    -[X] As someone who has found and claimed great power that is still growing into her grasp of it.
    [X] As Molly Carpenter, inexperienced sorceress just learning the ropes
    [x]You're powerful and willing to take them on as minions if they volunteer, but honestly you can't really see them being all that helpful to you so you would rather just be friendly without obligations for now.
 
From White Night chapter 2
"Take that top one," he said. "Pauline Moskowitz. Thirty-nine, mother of two, husband, two dogs. She disappears on a Friday night and opens up her wrists in a hotel bathtub around three A.M. Saturday morning."
I read over it. "Am I reading this right? She was on antidepressants?"

"Uh-huh," Butters said, "but nothing extreme, and she'd been on them and stable for eight years. Never showed suicidal tendencies before, either."
I looked at the ugly picture of a very ordinary-looking woman lying naked and dead in a tub of cloudy liquid. "So what's got your scalpel in a knot?"
Mrs Pauline Moskowitz is 39 38 years old(White Night is in May 2007), married with two kids, and on prescription antidepressants.
She also owns two dogs.
Good odds that the invisible companion we didnt see was a dog, or something that can pass for a dog.

Some obscure lore on DP's part here.
We're well into the beginning portion of the plot of White Night.

I have read the books and all the things that you said about him is true. We still could take over the white Court with one conversation with him if we wanted to. I don't think that we do.
My apologies for suggesting otherwise then.

Nevertheless, the White Court is not an ants nest, or a bee hive.
You dont just cap the previous queen and take over, with no objections.
The first inkling that dude is under the influence/control of an external actor and the White Court breaks into civil war.

And Lara has been effectively running things in House Raith for long enough that even if he recovered his full faculties, he'd still have to fight an internal war just to attempt to recover control, and success is nowhere a certainty.
So no, not gonna happen. If we wanted to take control of the Whites, we'd have to do so the hard way.
 
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It wasnt a suicide, it was a murder.
White Court vampire serial killing a bunch of minor talents as a proof of concept(in Dresden Files, magic is maternally inherited) to support his faction's bid for power in a power struggle inside the White Court.

The killings have been going on for around half a year now by this point in the timeline, but they only get to Chicago next year.
 
I suspect our presence in/near this social circle alone would be enough to derail that plotline.

As our Red friend in Cleveland found out, it is hard to plot against someone while the burning eyes of their anima stare into your soul.
 
Or when Alratan was suggesting that we usurp Winter's job of guarding the Outer Gates so we can kill Mab.

Which would involve putting at least half a million combat troops and an indeterminate number of support troops on permanent deployment(and I mean permanent, because none of them get to go home according to Winter Lady Molly in Cold Case) at the Outer Gates, hundreds or thousands of daily casualties and Molly being on permanent call on the Outer Walls 24/7, like Mab is now.

With the right Hell we could have an army of literally ten billion loyal devils with magitech equipment.

And we'll have government institutions to implement our commands. We'd just have one of our Devillish Full Generals command our deployed forces while other parts of our general staff handled logistics and replenishment.

That's the benefit of a large, modern highly populated hell. We won't have to do things ourselves as we'll have a government to handle the details for us.
 
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