- Harry has decided to be a magic using noire detective for complicated personal reasons and he does mention that other older wizards have found ways to monetize their magic, like scrying for precious resources for that are later mined. Hell his own mother used her magic to make money in morally dubious ways, partly to show how inadequate the Laws are
- Michael is not really magical, he is a man on a holy mission
- We do not really know what Ellaine lives off of
- Thomas does arguably live off his magic, since being a supernaturally attractive incubus drums up a significant amount of his business
- Ordo Lebes again not many details, but if you look at other minor talents like Mortimer it's clear you can make a decent living off it
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The obvious question they'll ask is why it's so important. The answer to that isn't something we can actually tell them without revealing magic, and even if they knew isn't actually objectively that critical.
You're making a huge production out of this when doing it the simple way and talking Lydia into meeting her later, after Rosie actually had the ability to do something worth talking about, would work better.
Yeah, but she could see the supernatural with her own eyes without requiring that we smuggle her out or make a production of it with her family.
I'm not contesting her agency, or saying that we need to make up for her bad judgments, but being a friend doesn't mean that we should enable whatever she wants to do whenever she wants to do it.
Calling bad ideas out as bad ideas and not facilitating things that are obviously harmful isn't a betrayal.
I mean, if she was still an addict and begged us to get her some heroin refusing wouldn't be a betrayal. This isn't as extreme as that, but it demonstrates the principle at least.
TBH, while we are currently mostly settled on on gem-making, IIRC VEE spam is the primary way of making like, all the money without investing too much time into it?
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a good portion of wizards are actually well off yeah and many of the older ones are just straight up rich.
I call bullshit sir.
Official US government figures from the Social Security website:
This is not a bellyfeel thing. Its real, quantified data.
And that doesnt include the ancillary life benefits of higher education. I know its fashionable in some quarters these days to shit on college education, and there are certainly jobs where the starting requirements do not and should not need a college degree.
But it really does make a difference.
The federal poverty threshold for a 2-person household in 2022 is roughly 18,000 dollars.
A grad with a three year nursing degree starts at 60k roughly. Computer science is another field. There's multiple others.
You are straight up mistaken about the ability of a fresh college grad to support themselves and a baby.
Sure.
1) I dont recall this. Cite?
2)Fair.
3)Elaine is a PI.
We see Carlos mention he had tested her for magic talent ; there's no indication she has anything else going on by way of income.
Maybe she has extra cash saved up after hertime with the Summer Court, but its not shown or implied.
4) No more than any other pretty/charismatic person in Thomas' case.
Other than Lara slumming as a porn actress? We see other Whamps, like Madrigal Raith the horror director, Tania Raith the lawyer/legal assistant in Jury Duty, and the Malvora who was a stockbroker in Jury Duty.
We see Talvi Inverno the Finnish demigod who's a lawyer.
5)Mortimer isnt really a minor talent, and he still made a living off books, seances and media.
None of which actually required magic talent or magic knowledge, and he was actively faking things for a while there.
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There are benefits to taking other routes.
Investment would let us make lots of money almost as quickly, and moving it into actual businesses instead of simple cash directly translates to influence.
If we own a shitload of local businesses in addition to making some political donations the local authorities, and anyone who has to work through them, will get a lot more friendly.
There's also only so big we can get on the gem trade, since we will eventually draw attention even if the action economy of spending our time for cash doesn't throttle us before that point.
Once we set things up I don't think too much personal time will be required, since we know cyber devils won't betray us and we can put as many as we need on the task of managing our properties while hiring meat minions to do physical stuff for them where needed.
On the Margret la Fey bit I think they talk about her using magic that way in Turn Coat, the part with wizards scying to get rich shows up at some point when Harry speaks of how other wizards live. I think the latter is in the context of him getting hurt doing his job and pointing out other wizards not taking as many risks as he does to pay the bills though that does not narrow it down much
Mort is not a full wizard so minor talent it is, strong for his narrow field but he does not have the breadth of magic to even be called a sorcerer.
If "Rosie is feeling confined in her own home, which isn't good for her psychological health" isn't good enough, then "meeting Michael's PI police consultant friend to talk about dangers of drugs" should be.
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In fact, a plan of mine after getting VEE regarding this is:
1) Get several minions with human identities (probably whampire or ghoul) with full loyalty and make them wish they were richer/affluent many times over.
2) Using them and their relationships/earned resources, our lottery winnings and diamonds, plus our charisma/manipulation/intimidation skills together to gain control of various companies, be it the local ones to have more control of the city or the larger ones size that may impact state or national policy.
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That's… Actually a really, really good point.
Just buying the Hell/Key and Kingdom charm is likely to put us on the Mage 20 Resources scale instead of the V20 one.
The one that goes up to 10 instead of 5. We may not be able to launder more than a fraction into the real world, but even being a figurehead royal is going to put us in the ranks of Saudi royalty and Russian oligarchs.
If thats what we want, of course.
The reason why the lottery strat is so important to us?
Because once we have a big chunk of cash like that, its a lot easier to hide other income flows around it.
And at the high end in the occult world, money issues can get quite extravagant.
For example, Castle Marcone was a four stories high building that Marcone built on the site of Dresden's old boarding house by literally buying an enchanted castle in Scotland, disassembling it and shipping it over brick by brick and rebuilding it on
And Bianca's ball was an event where she could literally give away several million dollars worth of gifts to a Dragon.
Fair enough.
Im looking at it and thinking if Maggie LeFay left a nestegg behind, Dresden wouldnt have been living quite so hardscrabble a life even before his father died. Thomas would have had options. Maggie was over a hundred years old when she died too. More than a hundred and sixty according to the timeline.
Mort is highly specialized, yes. Minor talent no.
I think he and Hannah Ascher were on roughly the same level of power; Lea explicitly says in Ghost Story that he's as powerful as Dresden is in his field of specialty. Given as Dresden is a top 50/top 40 wizard, thats a lot.
And in this case, he has access to lots of friendly minions, which would be a much more marketable skill than Ascher's pyromancy.
So I think its suggestive when he makes a living from seances and books, instead of stuff like recovering lost gold.
Whats his name? Dresden.
The guy who went on notJerry Springer and claimed to be a wizard two years ago?
The one who was arrested as a suspect in a police murder investigation last month?
When SI hires Harry, they try to keep it quiet.
Dont drag Dresden into shit that doesnt require his presence.
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I'm also fairly sure nearly half who enter college regret going with whatever degree they got, those who drop out, or the degree helps and the studying is useless. Having her depend on us is not a world ending thing its not even bad for her like people might think we just live with certain mind sets that somethings are the right thing to do we aren't perfect and not all our societal norms are always helpful. I'm in college and I'm not necessarily saying college is useless it does come with a lot of downsides though and often you can technically get the same affect just studying.
I'm not shitting on college for no reason it has a lot of bad practices and a lot of people who go don't see actual results from it and if we aren't helping our friend she simply is not going to have time for college if she keeps the child.
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Lol. No idea how I forgot about it.
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Pretty sure the demon in our head is more british than french.
Edit: Sorry, made a joke without looking too closely at the language.
Edit: Sorry, made a joke without looking too closely at the language.
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You cant make sweeping assertions about major economic sectors without supporting data.
There are no figures I can find supporting that statement.
And the US govt explicitly says its not true.
Furthermore, this isnt random John Q College Student who doesnt have a plan. This is Rosie Marcella.
Her stepdad is pretty comfortably well off; his house size and membership of a golf club are both markers for a rich person with connections. Even without Molly looking out for her, she isnt going to get out of college and actually have any trouble being pointed at a good job as long as she meets the qualifications.
Thats how rich people's children roll.
Thats Portugese, actually.
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dude its not baseless many people come out of college not being able to get a full time job or stuff involved with their degree.
Edit: Anyways stupid off topic conversation the whole thing started cause I don't think college would be too useful for our friend when even finishing would take so long in quest it'll probably be like 5 or 6 years in real life until she finishes.
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That's not the college's fault, dude. That blames lies with the folks who chose to get a degree in a field which has little real world applicability.
How many people have you seen who graduate from medical school, or with a degree in mechanical engineering, or any number of other real and necessary fields (everything from automotive repair, agriculture, chemistry, etc), who weren't able to find a job in their chosen area of expertise?
The issue is people putting their time and money into education with little demand in the job market, not for the college for failing to teach them the skills they need.
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in fairness its not exactly a good thing that such things don't have opportunity? Like it is a problem which probably shouldn't just amount to tough shit there are underlying issues other than just demand, some just include shit pay, or said pay going for a distinct group of people, or other problems. There are also other minor problems like when you get out needing experience before actually getting better payed jobs. Some things have plenty of demand and shit associated pay.
I mean being fair the college does teach and advertise those fields with little applicability and it does not add a disclaimer at the end saying 'only do this if you are independently wealthy'
OK, looks like agreement has it and you are going to involve Michael. Let's see if you can sell this.
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Only 3 votes for micheal, vast majority with no extras.