“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest
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Lurker183839
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I don't think there's much of a point talking about remaining a Distortion until the situation actually comes up and more info is given?
As things stand the current discussion doesn't seem like it's able to convince anyone to go to the opposite viewpoints so
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Lepidoptera, I get the feeling plan voting should be required for this vote, given the mess that is the interim tally below
As things stand the current discussion doesn't seem like it's able to convince anyone to go to the opposite viewpoints so
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Lepidoptera, I get the feeling plan voting should be required for this vote, given the mess that is the interim tally below
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The issue there is that the Singularity makes a record of the target's previous state, to which it later resets them. Kyoko does not have such a record, so I do not see that working.
Anyway.
[X] Nyarky
I agree with this, and it is an interesting approach. Also, working with the MGs plus cloning may help Angela figure out how to make proper bodies for her Librarians without the one book.
questioningmeme
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- River of Light
Because theres literally no point in staying as a Distortion right now, theres no point in discussing it either.
As someone said earlier. We don't want poor Homura to be stuck in a state of being near death and constantly having someone give up life to save her.
Once we fix the obvious downsides of Distortions, i.e they are all as crazy as Carmen is, then we can approach that topic again.
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[X] Plan: Self-Sufficient
As someone said earlier. We don't want poor Homura to be stuck in a state of being near death and constantly having someone give up life to save her.
Once we fix the obvious downsides of Distortions, i.e they are all as crazy as Carmen is, then we can approach that topic again.
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[X] Plan: Self-Sufficient
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Lurker183839
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[X] Plan Crossroad X
-[X] (Soul Gems) Check with Angela if she thinks we can use Light as an interim option then switch back to Cloning due to the nature of Soul Gems
-[X] If not, we ask the girls which option they prefer, and attempt to take notes about Soul Gems during the process
-[X] (Kyouko) Phenomenon
--[X] Have Homura on standby
-[X] (Soul Gems) Check with Angela if she thinks we can use Light as an interim option then switch back to Cloning due to the nature of Soul Gems
-[X] If not, we ask the girls which option they prefer, and attempt to take notes about Soul Gems during the process
-[X] (Kyouko) Phenomenon
--[X] Have Homura on standby
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
@Lepidoptera can I approval vote for this? Because I find it funny and interesting enough to go for it.
Otherwise I'm keeping it simple.
[X] (Soul Gems) Cloning
Straightforward and relatively simple. Takes a bit of time, but gets things done. Doesn't trap lots of kids in another dimension after suffering a week of agony for an indeterminate amount of time, possibly forever. That's really important.
[X] (Kyouko) Phenomenon
Distortions are bad, but this is probably the best balance of bad and interesting if approval voting isn't allowed. I see no value in the write-in. If X thinks it'd be smart to have Homura around for that, she will. If not, she won't.
The thing is, soul gems just being able to switch bodies is not an assumption, it's fact, there is a WOG that if Kyouko had known the lichbomb when Sayaka's gem was thrown, she could have taken control of Sayaka's body right there if she wanted to, she wouldn't have had a reason to, but she could've.
The problem the librarians face is that their mind is in their body that is made of light and that transferring it is not that easy in this case, the soul gems completely sidestep this by having the mind stay outside the light body, allowing for an easy transfer later.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
I don't see the point of tossing a lot of kids in the Library. I don't see how that benefits them over being in stasis while the clones grow. And I have some not quite formed suspicions on how bodies of Light might play with a bunch of heavily traumatized kids.
questioningmeme
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- River of Light
I see then.
Having Angela help the kids out would be advantagous im that case.
Still I don't have any hope it is as simple as you are saying it is. And I'm pretty sure Lepid wouldnt have put the disclaimer of them not being able to leave the Library there if it was that easy to overcome it.
Having Angela help the kids out would be advantagous im that case.
Still I don't have any hope it is as simple as you are saying it is. And I'm pretty sure Lepid wouldnt have put the disclaimer of them not being able to leave the Library there if it was that easy to overcome it.
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A supporting structure, for one. X can not care for the wellbeing of the entire group at once, and it is likely at least a number of them are orphans or runaways. Even those with families would have no one they could talk to about their experiences, no one to help them work through them.
Also, Angela and her cadre of former elite scientists may be able to figure some stuff out about Soul Gems that X has neither the time nor the equipment to accomplish.
Lurker183839
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Right. We should offer them the choice at least; there might be at least 1 who wants to be free of the homeless/fighting life, and/or who no longer have ties to PMMM world and therefore won't mind permanently giving up the possibility of going back
E: Like, the isekai jokes write themselves, don't they? (So long as you stay within the Library at all times)
questioningmeme
Just be yourself
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- River of Light
[X] Plan: Loopholes ahoy!
I still dislike it. But you guys make sense.
I don't really feel like this will be as easy as you guys are saying it is.
For one thing, Angela discloses that shes still working on how to wake up the rest of the gang.
And beside the main thing I voted for this is, if they are with Angela they won't need to worry about Grief build up.
Our sister will be fairly ticked off that the first thing we do after meeting her is offload literally 30+ kids on her though.
I still dislike it. But you guys make sense.
I don't really feel like this will be as easy as you guys are saying it is.
For one thing, Angela discloses that shes still working on how to wake up the rest of the gang.
And beside the main thing I voted for this is, if they are with Angela they won't need to worry about Grief build up.
Our sister will be fairly ticked off that the first thing we do after meeting her is offload literally 30+ kids on her though.
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Well, since one of the biggest argument used against my votes seems to be doubt about this:
@Lepidoptera, is it possible for the girls to connect back to other bodies if we give them bodies of light while waiting for them?
I personally think there is no reason for it to be the case, since one of the explicit properties of soul gems is an ability to jump bodies easily, but might as well get the official ruling.
And anyway, I do think bodies of light is better than cloning even if they can't change back later, you have to remember, NT got the soujou twins amongst her collection, that means that a lot of her gems are from girls who don't have a life to return to anyway, they have been declared dead already, especially since there is no reason the body couldn't have been found.
At least Angela can offer them a place to live in and a goal, cloning will just lead to them witching out after learning that their life is already finished anyway if we're not careful.
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Let's not even talk about regeneration, that one as is is just asking for them to witch out midway through the procedure, and it's torture after they already spent a lot of time getting tortured by what NT was doing.
Also, if we get them now, we may have Niko among the girls, since NT did probably raid the pleiades saints, and if there is one girl that I would love to have helping us, it's her, she's the main source of all the advances that were made on dewitching in Kazumi magica and she's basically a potential easy way to get our cloning, since her entire wish magic is perfectly able to do it.
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Actually, if we had a way to learn about her IC, I would simply vote for giving her a body of light and asking her if she can clone everyone, as I said, it's easy peasy for her.
@Lepidoptera, is it possible for the girls to connect back to other bodies if we give them bodies of light while waiting for them?
I personally think there is no reason for it to be the case, since one of the explicit properties of soul gems is an ability to jump bodies easily, but might as well get the official ruling.
And anyway, I do think bodies of light is better than cloning even if they can't change back later, you have to remember, NT got the soujou twins amongst her collection, that means that a lot of her gems are from girls who don't have a life to return to anyway, they have been declared dead already, especially since there is no reason the body couldn't have been found.
At least Angela can offer them a place to live in and a goal, cloning will just lead to them witching out after learning that their life is already finished anyway if we're not careful.
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Let's not even talk about regeneration, that one as is is just asking for them to witch out midway through the procedure, and it's torture after they already spent a lot of time getting tortured by what NT was doing.
Also, if we get them now, we may have Niko among the girls, since NT did probably raid the pleiades saints, and if there is one girl that I would love to have helping us, it's her, she's the main source of all the advances that were made on dewitching in Kazumi magica and she's basically a potential easy way to get our cloning, since her entire wish magic is perfectly able to do it.
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Actually, if we had a way to learn about her IC, I would simply vote for giving her a body of light and asking her if she can clone everyone, as I said, it's easy peasy for her.
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Lurker183839
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X: aren't you lonely at times?
I'm pretty sure most won't take the offer, I guess that there'll be at most 10 when we're done explaining, and less than that that are unconditionally willing to stay in the Library
Lmao, that's such a weirdly specific fact. Like, the only things it's good for are crack theories and the occasional meme doujin.
questioningmeme
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- River of Light
This probably wont be answered the same way Lepid didnt answer my question about the difference between intergrating and intergrated Abnormalities.
Its something for us to find out.
Lurker183839
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No reason beyond disorientation and the length of the required explanation we can't just ask using Lobotomy like we used earlier to push a message to the Soul Gems, yes
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using Lobotomy as a tool to convey information huh
Oh
Accidental foreshadowing of this update, it appears
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using Lobotomy as a tool to convey information huh
Oh
Accidental foreshadowing of this update, it appears
Maybe, maybe not, asking is free, so there's no reason not to.
This is something I'm going to pin for if it seems like the gems cannot easily get transferred from a body of light to another.
Though I think we'd have to use Lobotomy and not normal telepathy.
Lurker183839
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I wonder if there are calculus based Distortions?
(Looks at Distortion Detective again)
Seems like it's a possibility. Distortions really are truly strange beings
E: Come to think of it, isn't the Mad Scientist memes in the various spin-offs literally baby tier in The City?
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Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
Having thought on it, I think my single biggest objection to putting the kids in the Library is that storywise, it's really boring and unsatisfying. Those kids are in this situation because X came to Mitakihara and Nothing There was sent after her. X didn't intend to inflict Nothing There on them, but it is what happened. X fixes the problem by fighting to free them. X succeeded, but now there's a lot of bodyless kids. How does X fix that?
X goes and passes off 36 of the people most effected by her actions to someone else? That's the solution? X basically shoves them in a box of healing, problem solved? That's a really sucky story. X has been very about being active in solving problems caused by her being in Mitakihara. It breaks my brain to think she'd pass them off to someone else after that.
If cloning option wasn't available then sure, I could buy it as a best option, but coloning is there so it's not. This makes the most sense with the way the story has gone so far.
X goes and passes off 36 of the people most effected by her actions to someone else? That's the solution? X basically shoves them in a box of healing, problem solved? That's a really sucky story. X has been very about being active in solving problems caused by her being in Mitakihara. It breaks my brain to think she'd pass them off to someone else after that.
If cloning option wasn't available then sure, I could buy it as a best option, but coloning is there so it's not. This makes the most sense with the way the story has gone so far.
I don't buy that X can't help all thise kids, look how well she's done with Sayaka, Mami, Homura, Madoka, and Yuma. Hell, she can rely on them to help out. And it's not like Angela and her people (and X's) become unavailable just because of we pick the cloning path. It's probably even better. The Soul Gems got there the first time, we can bring them to the Library body and all if they need to have an examination or something.
Eternal_0bserver
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[X] (Soul Gems) Cloning
Even if they agree that the Library is the best place for them, we must first give them a choice. I don't want to bind them to a pocket dimension that can't even support its own inhabitants due to lack of energy. And we have no idea how the creation of a body from Light will affect the Soul Gems.
[X] (Kyouko) Phenomenon
Is it even a choice? Even if I hate the idea that we can't stop Kyoko from turning into Distortion. Well, given Homura, we'll just have to help both of them.
And I don't see the point in voting according to the plan - not that both parts have any synergy between them.
Even if they agree that the Library is the best place for them, we must first give them a choice. I don't want to bind them to a pocket dimension that can't even support its own inhabitants due to lack of energy. And we have no idea how the creation of a body from Light will affect the Soul Gems.
[X] (Kyouko) Phenomenon
Is it even a choice? Even if I hate the idea that we can't stop Kyoko from turning into Distortion. Well, given Homura, we'll just have to help both of them.
And I don't see the point in voting according to the plan - not that both parts have any synergy between them.
questioningmeme
Just be yourself
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- River of Light
While it is indeed pushing the probl-
Wait...We dont exactly know how we will do this are we? X doesnt really know how to go to Angela...
Taking it back. I'm voting my plan again.
[X] Plan: Self-Sufficient.
Wait...We dont exactly know how we will do this are we? X doesnt really know how to go to Angela...
Taking it back. I'm voting my plan again.
[X] Plan: Self-Sufficient.
See, the thing is, the boring and unsatisfying part is what I think of cloning.
And also:
We got these girls that need help right now, that spent who knows how long stuck in the sensory hell that was NT and you want to wait? To potentially have them in sensory deprivation while we search for *a better way* that we aren't even sure exist? Because it is not impossible for magical girls to learn how to be conscious as gems and if there is one thing I can see kickstart that it's getting stuck in the situation they just got out of.
Also, cloning is putting the problem for later, it's not facing it really, we will *search for it* and during this time we won't have of the probably far more interesting interactions we'd have if the girls were already awake. Given the fact that there is a very high chance making them a body of light can be reversed later, there is absolutely no reason to go for cloning except if you don't want to see the girls, because that's what cloning is saying it will do: we won't have a way soon and the girls will stay in the freezer doing nothing for who knows how long.
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Actually, even if making them interact with a body of light would make the gems merge with it and get them stuck in it, it would be a good thing, it would probably make it far easier to change their physiology to remove the *little problem* that is the grief accumulation magical girls suffers from and we will probably be trying to help the librarians get new bodies anyway, so it's not as if we would do it with no intention to ever let them leave.
Really, the more I think on it, the more I think cloning is not an interesting choice narratively.
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Lepi said that this was a vote for what we'll do after we manage to contact Angela anyway, this point is moot. It will be resolved during the coming timeskip.
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