Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Basically we are rewarded for descripting the various places in our kingdom as much as possible. For the glowing atomic field of Numbin war to the mercury rivers of Valge. Or even nice places.
Merely describing is one dot stunt. Interacting with is two dots stunt. Whoah this is cool is three dots stunt.

This is obviously easier when scenery warps and bends according to your will.
Someone else can comment on if this is worthwhile
As a signature? Hell no.
+5 Social dice is not a lot a lot, but it is still a lot, and Infernals rarely get social bonuses that don't require jumping through additional hoops. Still, not my favorite.
Green Sun Nimbus Flare
Outside of corpse stockpile cheese - murder a bunch of rats, gather them in a bag, throw bag, activate charm... - this is absolutely worthless. And, lets be honest, Space Monster Scream is better those sort of shenanigans.

Signature Effect: While wearing her Shintai form, the Infernal's anima encompasses everything within three yards, and inflicts aggravated rather than lethal damage
Automatic ~3 damage in an AoE around the infernal. Garbage.

Another environment -2 penalty with 1 level of bashing damage per minute.
All of this type have a resist condition, deal lower penalty than Shadow Spite, and deal incredibly low damage. Garbage.

I am sure that this can be a powerful effect, but someone else can game it.
Nah, this is garbage. There aren't any Shintai aspects that make "swap one aspect" worth it. If this was "swap one signature" that would be interesting, tho.

I love the idea that all speakers all playing hail to the queen or something. Once then I expect it to get old.
This is incredible for punching down scrubs. For equals, this is pretty meh. And yeah, inconvenient to always have active.
Anyway this would make it so that we have a bunch of expendable, competent and loyal allies in any major fight. Or any other reason we use Shintai.
Actually, this is garbage. Mundane clones, naked, without weapons, without charms, are... pretty much worthless. I guess the real use is to set them all to escape combat and pull off Orochimaru later? But non-signature version manages this Just Fine.

Don't know what a clinch is. CCC sig seems better.
Any sort of grab or grapple. Not a very common issue tbh.
Exact same effect as Prince of Ruin and still lame.
There is a Path spell that has exact same effect, except it deals like 20-30 damage per turn. This and the like are garbage.

Don't know how much we need it if we already have the charm since we should already be able to hit the speed of sound. Does not seem to be much difference between that and this.
This is garbage, yes.
Perfect attack. We could make it so when we activate our Shintai everyone who talked to us can't even think of doing violence for a day. But they can ignore that for the scene by spending a willpower.
Automatically attacking everyone we talked with is just... Terrible. Pay a signature slot all your positive social relationships and alienate allies. 10/10, absolute best.

Since Uncaring Ice-Soul Redoubt as a duration of an hour and costs 2 essence to use I don't feel like this gives us anything.
Uncaring Ice itself is situationally useful. Signature is... Garbage. As always.


Anyway, writing something about every signature charm effect on the list is a huge effort tho. 10/10

As you can see, I was being generous when I mentioned that a lot of signatures suck. Actually, almost all of them suck. They are very much tilted toward the "Flavorful stuff your animu villians do to look cool" but that also translates into "all flair, no substance, unwieldy, mechanically shitty."

There are three-four that are situationally useful if you picked a specific type of shintai or mildly useful in general - typically stuff that deals with information control - and two that are just, absolute top tier and wouldn't be out of place as Solar Supernal or Abyssal Apocalyptic charm. They were mentioned on the previous page.
 
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+5 Social dice is not a lot a lot, but it is still a lot, and Infernals rarely get social bonuses that don't require jumping through additional hoops. Still, not my favorite.
It's not just that. It's also the cost reeducation on a charm that uses social dice. So we can 'take over' a enemy for each point of essence before the socializing even really starts.

You borked the BB codes and all spoilers blended together like a demented matryoshka doll. This is unreadable.
Fixed that. Still need to finish though.
 
As you can see, I was being generous when I mentioned that a lot of signatures suck. Actually, almost all of them suck. They are very much tilted toward the "Flavorful stuff your animu villians do to look cool" but that also translates into "all flair, no substance, unwieldy, mechanically shitty."
Yes. I can see lot of these being an amazing way to introduce a cool villain. But more then half of them would be better priced as disadvantages we get something in return for picking rather then something we expend a precious resource on.

Now if they were priced like that it would actually be a cool design decision. Do I take this power for killing everything around me at the cost that it kills everyone around me? But as is balugh.
 
Yeah, this is a good example of why I want a custom signature. Even restricted to using canon charms as the basis, there should be something we can come up with that's better than this garbage. It really makes it clear that the Infernal splat is the one with the least amount of effort put into it.

Seriously, I already have vague ideas of better signatures we can potentially use even using the Excellencies as the base charm. Extend the length of the Excellencies during Shintai or get a free Excellency activation when you first transform, and that's already better than like, half of the pre-generated signatures. There, didn't even take much effort. And I'm sure someone else in the forum can come up with something better if they wanted to.

Seriously, this is one of the few things that the base book explicitly allows and encourages homebrew for, let's put some actual effort in.
 
Infernal Signature charms almost universally being shit, quite a few of normal Infernal charms being shit, and why is this a thing

Infernals suffer from the issue that cropped up often in E2 and E1; they weren't initially designed as a playable splat and were a late addition into development cycle - weren't even included at all, actually - but between late addition and Holden more or less being browbeaten* into including them, their design and mechanics suffered somewhat.

There is a lot of "Holden didn't want this to be a part of ExWoD, but a lot of people wanted this, so he included it and then it was shit on a mechanical level or thematically dissonant" in this book. Ancient Sorcery. New Exalted Crafting being a 27k words nightmare.

Infernals and half of their charms being "actually, I am BBEG of this campaign, not a playable splat. My charms are designed in a way that I appear once, do cool stuff (once), die, and never once get concerned with how to uphold the masquerade or not alienate everything and everyone in my vicinity with uncontrollable AoE damage charms."

Lunars were in this position for much of the history of 1-2E. It wasn't great.

*as far as I heard

**Just to be clear, ExWoD is great. But I love bitching about random stuff, so.
 
Most of these sig would be cool for a single story and then they would just seem silly. If I were rebalancing I would make it so that a infernal's sig can be repicked at the beginning of each arc so they stay cool and don't overstay their welcome. Play into the monster of the week theme.

Once per scene The Infernal may replenish two points of Essence whenever she learns secretive or forbidden lore of the supernatural world, or binds an unwholesome being into her service.

One point discount essence is helpful, but our essence pool at E5 is like, 20. This is not a spammable charm in general.
Binding a unwholesome being into our service for 1 essence puts us 1 essence in the black.
 
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I just want to play with the stunt a bit, so I'm going to write something else in.

[X] Go talk to Thomas about the Hunger first
-[X] Use empathy and etiquette excellency where appropriate
-[X] Stunt: Taking a sip of coffee in the Starbucks where she agreed to meet Thomas, Molly feels a paradoxically foreign and familiar sensation well up; something between opening an immense eye and the beat of a vast heart, but with elements that don't truly belong to either.
-[X] As her presence shines across the room on unseen light and strikes with unheard thunder, Molly looks up to see Thomas; who looks like nothing so much as a man who's last step ended with a gut-wrenching click.
-[X] "It's good to see you under better circumstances Thomas. I can't promise this won't be a little strange for both of us; but it should be a little less, well, Harry than how we met." She says with just the right emphasis on the pun to shatter the tension like a kneecap under a sword's pommel.

Because why not have a little fun with Thomas and take a jab at Harry if we can? :V
 
Something that leans into the Shintai being the Demon Emperor unveiled or a newly born hell titan roaring is might and defiance to the Heavens may be more fitting for Molly.

Like some sort of terror and domination aura while in Shintai, maybe allowing Demonic Primacy to work on lesser beings in general, not just Creatures of Darkness.
Or building off of the Crown of Eyes seeing into the hearts and minds of those caught in it's shadow-less gaze, like a free question based on someone inside a certain range, although I could see that one being way too strong in the right circumstances or just plain useless in others.

I really quite like the stunt boosting one, it sort of plays with the themes of the Usurpation, imposing Hell on the world.
 
If a sig is supposed to be reflective of the infernal as a person, then we get into similar territory to stuff like Overlord Stage Revelations from Will Wight's Cradle. Or Briah/Aztiluth chants from Dies Irae. The powers there are all cravings made manifest as superpowers. Then you need to layer Infernal Exalted aesthetics into it. If you look at it from this perspective, what has Molly done, what has she wanted since she got her exaltation?

She has issues with the supernatural status quo, White Council, laws of magic, giving the Unseelie accords an odd look, etc. She wants something... kinder. She wants to address her failure with Rosie. She considers people like Michael and Harry as rolemodels to help.

So my question is, how do you warp "A Kinder World Than This" through the lens of an infernal exaltation? Then you have Molly's Urge. Her approach to problem solving is very rooted in being the most knowledgable person in the room and she's not that afraid of people knowing it. Like how she initially attempted to be cagey with Gard but kept revealing more of her abilities. Then you've got her urge, the crown, the amount of usage of Hollow Mind Possession to spy on people, making things for people and to solve problems(Burny for Mouse, the improvised submarine, improvised EMP's etc). You've also got wanting to learn Alchemy, how we're helping Harry with what we know about the Hells, learning stuff from Brother Divismar, etc.

Secondary aspects are Swordfighting and social firepower(particularly scaring weaker supernaturals).

TL;DR: If I was going to define the themes of Molly's Shintai/Signature Charms at this time... I'd say something like "Kindness through Knowledge" or "Knowledge begets Kindness" but filtered through the twisting thing that is an Infernal Exaltation. I have no notion of what that would look like at the moment though.

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Reference Context for Cradle/Dies Irae

Lindon from Cradle's Overlord Revelation: I Advance
Eithan from Cradle's Overlord Revelation: I See

Ren's Aztiliuth Chant from Dies Irae(English translation, stopped time is his craving/power):

Vast is the sea, its waves reaching horizons far and wide;
Eternal is the radiance of its azure womb.
And so let us ride this moment and dash forth, swift as light, quick as a star eternal.
Hear my plea, and grant this one wish:
The world longs for an era of peace; days that know not strife.
In a world where only peace is lord, and men join hands in liberty…
Allow me to sing this:
Halt. O time. for thou art fair beyond measure
I wish upon your unending star – guide me to heights unknown!
 
[X] Go talk to Thomas about the Hunger first
-[X] Use empathy and etiquette excellency where appropriate
-[X] Stunt: Taking a sip of coffee in the Starbucks where she agreed to meet Thomas, Molly feels a paradoxically foreign and familiar sensation well up; something between opening an immense eye and the beat of a vast heart, but with elements that don't truly belong to either.
-[X] As her presence shines across the room on unseen light and strikes with unheard thunder, Molly looks up to see Thomas; who looks like nothing so much as a man who's last step ended with a gut-wrenching click.
-[X] "It's good to see you under better circumstances Thomas. I can't promise this won't be a little strange for both of us; but it should be a little less, well, Harry than how we met." She says with just the right emphasis on the pun to shatter the tension like a kneecap under a sword's pommel.

Can't. Resist. Urge. To. Pun.

Seriously, well done with the joke. And the mental narration with that definitely shows the darker sense of humor there. I love it.
 
Looking at the sigs I can see the villain plots that they were made for.

Like Uncaring Ice-Soul Redoubt the actual effect is worthless, but I can see the plot where the PC only have an hour before the BBEG infernal comes out of his indestructible shell and kills you all.

Or Cracked Cell Circumvention. The effect is super powerful if circumstantial. Perfect for a plot where the BBEG unleashes the ancient evil or manages to break into the players fort.

All the -2 penalty low damage environment effects are for the PC trucking though the hazardous wasteland to get to the BBEG.

But most of the sigs including these ones are so circumstantial that I could see the GM just leaving that spot blank until he suddenly springs it on the players by surprise.
 
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Signature Effect: While she wears her Shintai form, the world around the Infernal is fractured into a jagged landscape of tortured and bleeding Essence, where all actions taken to oppose her suffer a –3 penalty

Like Without Honor, Without Hope's signature, but kind of just better. The penalty is higher and there is no escape clause for things with cold resist. It doesn't do bashing damage, but that can be thought a plus as well since it doesn't hurt our allies.
The Shadow Spite Curse signature effect seems pretty great, IMO. I don't see much point in the large AoE or indiscriminate effects, and a lot of the others are kinda niche at best, but a flat -3 penalty to any action taken against us would apply in every situation we could ever expect to use our Shintai and there wouldn't be any issues with friendly fire or excessive environmental effects.
 
You are not listening. Weight test (measuring the density of a precious metal object by measuring its mass and volume) is a very simple test that is used to find if the object being sold has hollow cavities in it, or admixtures of different materials (such as, for example, make a lead bar and coating it with a thin layer of gold). It's not about scientific curiosity, it's about checking if you are being swindled.

And objects made of isotopically pure materials will fail it.
No. You arent listening to me.

1)Ultrasound sensing for hollow cavities is easy. Handhelds and machinetop devices abound.

2)Handheld and tabletop machines for determining the purity of a sample of precious metals is essentially something you can expect at the facilities of any major dealer

XRF X-Ray Analyzer - California Gold and Silver Exchange

It's not only our extensive knowledge that allows us to accurately value your items, but also the tools necessary such as the XRF X-Ray Analyzer.

The work by X-ray flouresence, and they test for purity, not isotopic composition.

3)Of the elements mentioned:
  • The most valuable element, rhodium has ONE stable isotope: Rhodium 103. Its being isotopically pure is the norm.
  • Ruthenium has 7 stable isotopes and 27 unstable, radioactive isotopes. However, the isotopic composition of a given sample is not fixed, and will vary depending on where it was mined and where it was refined. Hence, they will EXPECT densities to vary within a given range. As for purity, see above; handheld and tabletop testers do that.

4)If for some reason, they tested, say, ruthenium in a sufficiently sensitive spectrometer and it was isotopically pure ruthenium 102 instead of a mixture of isotopes? They STILL wouldnt give a shit, besides maybe attempts to see if they could find your supplier and undercut you.

The history of every mining consortium in the world, from the use of coerced and underpaid labor, to dumping contaminants in water supplies, to suppressing reports of environmental damage and climate change, demonstrates they would cut their own mother's throats for a 5% increase in profits.

Which is an attitude that translates downstream.

While we are unlikely to use magic prophecy granting LSD, magical coffee / energy drink is something easily swingable. Michael drinks coffee, after all.
Yes.
But there is no parent, and no spouse, that will consider it healthy for you to stay awake night after night for a week because you chugged super coffee. A good friend might let it pass once or twice, but will express concern.

The example of the charm where we torture ourselves for stored successes demonstrates that the lack of mechanical consequences in the charm does not preclude roleplaying consequences for pushing those boundaries.
Remember who our PC is.

We will have to agree to disagree here.
Fair.

Sight honestly seems to be better than a whole lot of Infernal supernatural perception charms... I wonder if there are synergies.
On the other hand, we've had it demonstrated that other entities can shut down your Sight.
Dresden's first encounter with a Denarian in Death Masks had Ursiel shut down his sight when he True Gazed the Fallen's host, and in Ghost Story IIRC an angel shut down his Sight as well, allegedly for his own safety.

Charmtech otoh gives no fucks though.
M20 Sorcerer page 18:

Effects: Alchemy doesn't have Aspects; instead, each dot increases the practitioner's power and control. Except for the most potent recipes, they only require a single success to make. Additional successes are split between providing additional doses and keeping those doses potent for one day per success spent.​
Thank you for the citation.

Sorcerer Revised has no expiration date on any alchemical potion that scores at least 3 successes during its manufacture.
And Sorcerer Paths of Power has 1 day for a basic 1 sux on a potionmaking roll, all the way to 6 months for 5 sux.
I assume 6 sux or higher would be indefinite.

Good lord, our alchemy rolls were garbage.
Rolled at 6 tho, BSM wasn't active. That would've been +1 sux. Oh well.
Occult is a Key Ability, so once you ignore the 1s, its 8 successes.
Which is about average for 18 dice at DC6.

Hmm... I had forgotten about Fortitude, not the most flashy of vampiric powers but certainly one that is often taken and for this very reason. On the other hand in Dresden Files we do not really see supernaural nasties shrug off their bane and the Dresden Files RPG does not have a mechanism for it other than removing that 'catch' altogether. I'll have to think about this for a bit.
To my recollection, older, stronger Reds are either immune or resistant to sunlight.
As in, their fleshmasks are strong enough to make them daywalkers. Hence you see Arianna Ortega and Pablo Ortega moving around in daylight, and that Baroness in Love Hurts running a carnival in daytime.

I know even less about Vampires from WoD than I do about Exalted, but I don't think much of anything about them should be used in this setting at all. From what I can tell, they were a very distinct species from those in Dresden Files with little if any real overlap beyond the most basic similarities.

IIRC, there is nothing in DF about Vampires being able to ignore or even become resistant to their various banes. With that in mind, introducing WoD Vampire Fortitude just doesn't make any sense. If it was a thing, Harry would have encountered it many times in canon due to his continued interactions with the various Courts.
He did. See above.
Duke Paolo Ortega had a dayjob as a university professor and went on TV shows and the like in daytime.

As for Whites?
I recall Mab specifically telling Harry that if he died that she would offer Thomas the position of Winter Knight, and specifically claiming that she could allow him to touch Justine, negating the bane of the Whites.
Small Favor said:
"Not having it could have gotten me killed, too," I said. "And then you'd have wasted all that time you've put in trying to recruit me to be the next Winter Knight."
"Nonsense," Mab said. "If you died, I would simply recruit your brother. He would be well motivated to seek revenge upon your killers."
A little cold feeling shot through me. I hadn't realized that Mab knew who he was. But I guess it made sense. My godmother, the Leanansidhe, had been tight with my mother, one way or another. If Lea had known, then it might make sense that Mab did, too. "He isn't a mortal," I said quietly. "I thought the Knights had to be mortals."
"He is in love," Grimalkin mrowled for Mab. "That is more than mortal enough for me." She tilted her head. "Though I suppose I might make him an offer, while you yet live. He would give much to hold his love again, would he not?"
I fixed her with a hard gaze and said, "You will stay away from him."
"I will do as I please," she said. "With him—and with you."
And Mab, notably, can mislead or be wrong, but does not lie.
Also, Lea was also able to put the demons empowering half-Reds to sleep, which lends credence to that claim.

So what does steel skin do? I am assuming more soak? Not what I would have picked to spend our XP on next, but we seem to be committed.
Adds an average of +2, and potentially up to +9 to Molly's soak when she has all her defensive charms up.
Potentially matching or exceeding her soak when in Shintai.

You're looking at her going from Soak 8(Base 3 + Ebon Scales 1 + VLE 4) to between Soak 11(Base 5 + Ebon Scales 1 + VLE 5) and Soak 17 (Base 8 + Ebon Scales 1 + VLE 8) with defense charms active.
Basically with it running she's potentially as tanky as her Tier 1 shintai form.
Has there been serious talk about what to pick as our Shintai Signature? They seem to fall into a the camps of
  • Allow for extra Shintai activations if certain conditions are met.
  • Make bad stuff happen to those around use well in Shintai form some more directed then others.
  • Make the charm in question cheaper or even free to use in Shintai form.
And of course other.
Personally?
Key and Kingdom at E3. Splintered Gale Incarnation at E4.
The only real competitor I have atm is one of the aquatic charms that makes assuming Shintai free.

Actually, this is garbage. Mundane clones, naked, without weapons, without charms, are... pretty much worthless. I guess the real use is to set them all to escape combat and pull off Orochimaru later? But non-signature version manages this Just Fine.
My understanding of that Signature is that it gives you (Essence) copies of your normal body. Not your mortal form, but your normal combat body. Which means your charms are up. VLE, Ox Bodies, RR Aspects et cetera.
Its potentially rather overpowered IMO; your own miniboss squad of disposable dopplegangers.

Its essentially Miniboss Squad: The Charm.
The inspiration seems very much from late-game Naruto, when only one body could channel Kyuubijuice and the other clones could do ninja magic but not on the same level.
 
I just want to play with the stunt a bit, so I'm going to write something else in.

[X] Go talk to Thomas about the Hunger first
-[X] Use empathy and etiquette excellency where appropriate
-[X] Stunt: Taking a sip of coffee in the Starbucks where she agreed to meet Thomas, Molly feels a paradoxically foreign and familiar sensation well up; something between opening an immense eye and the beat of a vast heart, but with elements that don't truly belong to either.
-[X] As her presence shines across the room on unseen light and strikes with unheard thunder, Molly looks up to see Thomas; who looks like nothing so much as a man who's last step ended with a gut-wrenching click.
-[X] "It's good to see you under better circumstances Thomas. I can't promise this won't be a little strange for both of us; but it should be a little less, well, Harry than how we met." She says with just the right emphasis on the pun to shatter the tension like a kneecap under a sword's pommel.

Because why not have a little fun with Thomas and take a jab at Harry if we can? :V
Yeah, I like this one.

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[X] Go talk to Thomas about the Hunger first
-[X] Use empathy and etiquette excellency where appropriate
-[X] Stunt: Taking a sip of coffee in the Starbucks where she agreed to meet Thomas, Molly feels a paradoxically foreign and familiar sensation well up; something between opening an immense eye and the beat of a vast heart, but with elements that don't truly belong to either.
-[X] As her presence shines across the room on unseen light and strikes with unheard thunder, Molly looks up to see Thomas; who looks like nothing so much as a man who's last step ended with a gut-wrenching click.
-[X] "It's good to see you under better circumstances Thomas. I can't promise this won't be a little strange for both of us; but it should be a little less, well, Harry than how we met." She says with just the right emphasis on the pun to shatter the tension like a kneecap under a sword's pommel.
 
To my recollection, older, stronger Reds are either immune or resistant to sunlight.
As in, their fleshmasks are strong enough to make them daywalkers. Hence you see Arianna Ortega and Pablo Ortega moving around in daylight, and that Baroness in Love Hurts running a carnival in daytime.
That's conditional though; it's literally just the flesh mask. If you cut one while they're standing in daylight they all burn the same.

It's worth being it's own merit, but not including WoD style vampiric fortitude for.
As for Whites?
I recall Mab specifically telling Harry that if he died that she would offer Thomas the position of Winter Knight, and specifically claiming that she could allow him to touch Justine, negating the bane of the Whites.
Fey pacts for power are an entirely different ball game though. For all we know she could burn the demon out of him to do it or something.

Considering how taking up the mantle of the winter knight involves having sex with Mab on the stone table they use for high level blood sacrifice it wouldn't even be that out there as an option. Probably not worth the effort, which is why it's not her first option, but true enough to threaten Harry with.
And Mab, notably, can mislead or be wrong, but does not lie.
Looking at that passage, it seems likely that that whole thing was a direct deception. I mean, she implies the bit about how much he'd pay to touch his love again and her offer of knighthood are connected, but doesn't actually say it.

That sort of thing is a critical distinction for the fey.

My understanding of that Signature is that it gives you (Essence) copies of your normal body. Not your mortal form, but your normal combat body. Which means your charms are up. VLE, Ox Bodies, RR Aspects et cetera.
Its potentially rather overpowered IMO; your own miniboss squad of disposable dopplegangers.
I don't really buy it. The charm goes out of its way to define what a limit of a clone is, and then doesn't explicitly break it when referring to them. Using the word normal doesn't really cut it for claiming they get full charm access in that context. Sure it makes the signature kind of crap, but it wouldn't be the only one in the book like that.

splintered gale inCarnation (•••••)
The Infernal flays herself apart, creating duplicates
of herself.
System: The Infernal spends 5 Essence and
screams, issuing forth a crimson gale that resolves into a perfect copy of herself. This clone comes into the world naked, perfectly loyal to its creator, precisely aware of what it is, and in possession of the same per- sonality and memories as the Infernal. It has the same Traits as the Infernal, but is completely mortal, with no magic of any sort. Alternately, if the Infernal pos- sesses a working uterus, she can use this Charm to im- pregnate herself. This parthenogenetic child will grow up to be a perfect physical duplicate of the Infernal, but is otherwise a normal human being.
The Infernal can have up to her Essence rating in clones alive and active at once. By spending 1 Essence, she can cause a clone within her presence to unravel back into crimson wind which she absorbs, granting her all of the memories the clone accumulated during its existence. If the Infernal wishes, she may re-create specific absorbed clones in the future when using Splintered Gale Incarnation.
If the Infernal should ever die while any of her clones are abroad in the world, her body dissolves into a screaming wind that streams across the world and pours itself into the nearest clone. This destroys the clone's memories and identity as the Infernal takes over its body. Reincarnating in this fashion reduces the Infernal's Essence rating by 1. If this would reduce her to Essence 0, then reincarnation is impossible.
Signature Effect: When the Infernal dons her Shintai form, (Essence rating) clones emerge along- side her when her chrysalis shatters. They don't count against the normal clone limit of Splintered Gale In- carnation, and will vanish into crimson wind when the Shintai form ends; they cannot be reabsorbed. To be clear, these are clones of the Infernal's normal form, not her Shintai body
 
If a sig is supposed to be reflective of the infernal as a person, then we get into similar territory to stuff like Overlord Stage Revelations from Will Wight's Cradle. Or Briah/Aztiluth chants from Dies Irae. The powers there are all cravings made manifest as superpowers. Then you need to layer Infernal Exalted aesthetics into it. If you look at it from this perspective, what has Molly done, what has she wanted since she got her exaltation?

She has issues with the supernatural status quo, White Council, laws of magic, giving the Unseelie accords an odd look, etc. She wants something... kinder. She wants to address her failure with Rosie. She considers people like Michael and Harry as rolemodels to help.

So my question is, how do you warp "A Kinder World Than This" through the lens of an infernal exaltation? Then you have Molly's Urge. Her approach to problem solving is very rooted in being the most knowledgable person in the room and she's not that afraid of people knowing it. Like how she initially attempted to be cagey with Gard but kept revealing more of her abilities. Then you've got her urge, the crown, the amount of usage of Hollow Mind Possession to spy on people, making things for people and to solve problems(Burny for Mouse, the improvised submarine, improvised EMP's etc). You've also got wanting to learn Alchemy, how we're helping Harry with what we know about the Hells, learning stuff from Brother Divismar, etc.

Secondary aspects are Swordfighting and social firepower(particularly scaring weaker supernaturals).

TL;DR: If I was going to define the themes of Molly's Shintai/Signature Charms at this time... I'd say something like "Kindness through Knowledge" or "Knowledge begets Kindness" but filtered through the twisting thing that is an Infernal Exaltation. I have no notion of what that would look like at the moment though.

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Reference Context for Cradle/Dies Irae

Lindon from Cradle's Overlord Revelation: I Advance
Eithan from Cradle's Overlord Revelation: I See

Ren's Aztiliuth Chant from Dies Irae(English translation, stopped time is his craving/power):

Vast is the sea, its waves reaching horizons far and wide;
Eternal is the radiance of its azure womb.
And so let us ride this moment and dash forth, swift as light, quick as a star eternal.
Hear my plea, and grant this one wish:
The world longs for an era of peace; days that know not strife.
In a world where only peace is lord, and men join hands in liberty…
Allow me to sing this:
Halt. O time. for thou art fair beyond measure
I wish upon your unending star – guide me to heights unknown!

The first thing that comes to mind is something like the Lidless Eye of Sauron, an all-knowing and all-piercing gaze but that doesn't really intersect with Molly's desire for a kinder world.

Although, at the moment I imagine that her actual vision is of a kinder world for mortal humans, not necessarily for anything else.

Through a twisting of motivation the easy answer is that things become a means to an end in pursuit of that kinder order, some sort of horrific perfection? The image of peace through total subjugation?

Some vision of the world being made into a gilded cage of some sort with humanity a much beloved and doted upon but ultimately trapped pet.
Which would nicely intersect with Molly's own 'original sin' of taking away Rosie's ability to choose.

So maybe an unnatural mental influence effect?
 
Yes.
But there is no parent, and no spouse, that will consider it healthy for you to stay awake night after night for a week because you chugged super coffee. A good friend might let it pass once or twice, but will express concern.

The example of the charm where we torture ourselves for stored successes demonstrates that the lack of mechanical consequences in the charm does not preclude roleplaying consequences for pushing those boundaries.
Remember who our PC is.
I remember. I think that finding a doctor, bringing them inside the masquerade, and having him check us for side effects is the worst we'll have to endure. Or just trade a favor with Listens-to-Wind.
 
I remember. I think that finding a doctor, bringing them inside the masquerade, and having him check us for side effects is the worst we'll have to endure. Or just trade a favor with Listens-to-Wind.
Using a regular doctor, even a clued in one, would be ridiculous. How are they supposed to evaluate the impacts of a substance they don't understand the working mechanism of and have no real data on?

They can't exactly refer to peer reviewed studies and clinical trials of the longitudinal impact of super coffee brewed in nuclear hellfire on teenage infernal exalts.

Listens-to-wind would be great, but an experienced linear alchemist or a similarly specced but more junior wizard would probably be easier to get our hands on.

I'm skeptical of it actually being enough to convince Charity and Micheal, but they'd at least have something to work with.
 
No, that is one of the five essence regain methods - only one allowed. We picked "Learn secrets, get essence."
Incorrect;
[] Revelation, of discovering secrets that others do not, of pulling back the skien of the world and making sense of what others think of as chaos or divine plan
Urge of the Forbidden: The Infernal may replenish her Essence whenever she learns secretive or forbidden lore of the supernatural world, or binds an unwholesome being into her service
 
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