Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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- Crossover Fantasy
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
We have been talking about how we need a business to launder the industrial output of our Kingdom. But what we really want to get is our own publishing firm. Our Kingdom is it's own society complete with video games, books, movies and general culture.
Molly can do a DragonParadox and make multiple triple A video games a day. Or movies. Or books.
It's actually better then using the industrial output because the people of our Kingdom are presumably using that for something already, but copying all their media doesn't cost them anything.
Molly can do a DragonParadox and make multiple triple A video games a day. Or movies. Or books.
It's actually better then using the industrial output because the people of our Kingdom are presumably using that for something already, but copying all their media doesn't cost them anything.
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If I'm understanding this right, would be a cheap way to increase our dice for the meeting with Mab. Not as cheap as maxing Empathy or Etiquette directly, but cheaper than maxing out Charisma or Manipulation.
Visual fiction is going to be especially interesting, as it's likely to feature non-human actors (presuming we get devil inhabitants in our kingdom).
Software is going to be... Interesting to port, as the native operating systems and design architecture of our kingdom's computers are likely to be very alien. We won't be competing with EA. We would be competing with Intel and Microsoft.
Books, comics and movies would be a good start though, yes.
For material objects, license this stuff and make China make it.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I don't really see any advantage for getting devil inhabits. Humans work just as well most of the time and if we want devils we have lots of ways to turn humans into devils of one kind or another.
Flavor? For me it's mostly flavor and complexity.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
And I love the flavor, but king and kingdom is basically the most important charm we are ever going to get and it only has 5 design points with no option to increase that number.
And you have to admit having an entire world of loyal subjects is going to be more useful. Numbers matter.
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Probably make a custom charm, and say we need to buy it at Essence 5, let us increase points?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
If we do a vast human planet we can add demons afterwards. But if we only start with a city of demons and expand the world that expanded world doesn't come with the history of culture that we want.
Also when it comes down to it no single city no matter how flavorful can compare to the cultural output of an entire planet.
Also yes if we buy a planet of loyal humans we can't afford demons. But humans are really cool as well. We can write up a hundred different cultures. Maybe even stretch what it means to be human in a lot of them. @Yog put a bunch of transhumanism in his 5 fold court. Why not just have many different types of transhuman humans?
A difference between s billion and a hundred billion minions is far less than between a million and a billion, I feel.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
It's the difference between Molly having a greater industrial output then the entire earth rather then just a county.
We can give up demon or the goal. Both are easier to get after establishing the kingdom then more size.
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- Location
- Germany
[X] A Nest for Porter
We still have lots of other things to spend XP on, and we are simultaneously learning the Qiao.
I really don't think that's a priority.
We still have lots of other things to spend XP on, and we are simultaneously learning the Qiao.
[X]Plan Diamonds Are Forever
-[X] Masterworks for Money: 1AP
--[X] Diamonds are a girl's best friend
-[X] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago: 1 AP
--[X] A Rose's Tale
-[X] A Friend in Need: 1AP
--[X] Dreaming True
-[X] The Bridges of the Spirit: 1AP
-[X] Not a Wizard, but: 1AP
-[X] Restoring the Last Station(0/8): 1AP
I want to touch on all three plot hooks we met - rose of outumn, our friend rosie and Porter, now, because i do get the feeling they might be time sensitive. and we really shouldnt delay with them.
Harry and Molly interaction is always fun to read, and I dont think the two got to really talk much after the museum operation - where Molly going SHINTAI really shocked him. I feel like a talk there is needed.
-[X] Masterworks for Money: 1AP
--[X] Diamonds are a girl's best friend
-[X] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago: 1 AP
--[X] A Rose's Tale
-[X] A Friend in Need: 1AP
--[X] Dreaming True
-[X] The Bridges of the Spirit: 1AP
-[X] Not a Wizard, but: 1AP
-[X] Restoring the Last Station(0/8): 1AP
I want to touch on all three plot hooks we met - rose of outumn, our friend rosie and Porter, now, because i do get the feeling they might be time sensitive. and we really shouldnt delay with them.
Harry and Molly interaction is always fun to read, and I dont think the two got to really talk much after the museum operation - where Molly going SHINTAI really shocked him. I feel like a talk there is needed.
That would not do anything sadly. Makeup is not Craft, it's a form of art therefore Expression in which Molly has no dots.
No, that can be handled when we get to the actual crafting action, no reason to make the plan too complex from the get go, this is high level 'what do you do this month' not 'how'.
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Even without excellency, though, ttc would still give Molly best professional equipment and a 5 times speed boost, wouldn't it?
Ok, though. Tabling this for later.
[X]Plan Small marvels of hellish beauty
-[X] Masterworks for Money: 1AP
--[X] Small marvels
-[X] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago: 1 AP
--[X] A Rose's Tale
-[X] A Friend in Need: 1AP
--[X] Dreaming True
-[X] The Bridges of the Spirit: 1AP
-[X] Not a Wizard, but: 1AP
-[X] Restoring the Last Station(0/8): 1AP
Basically, jewelry crafting is better than gem crafting, even if slightly less monerarily profitable.
Honestly, for me devils are more interesting. Gaol I could give up as the gaol itself, but the whole "twisted memory of Malfeas buried under the ice waiting to be explored " grips me too well
Much of our available time needs to be spread out into firming up our knowledge of the Chicago supernatural scene.
Our father literally got a concerned call from a vampire telling him his daughter might be possessed. 😆
If we dont actively take steps to get to know the Chicago scene and let it know us, other people will frame our reputation for us, and we wont like the results.
Also, critically, Bob time. He doesnt just teach magic, he teaches supernatural lore.
Because Bob knows the Winter Court, and Mab, and we dont. If we dont take the opportunity of the next three months to drain him of everything he knows about Winter before we meet Mab, we would only have ourselves to blame.
If you go back and look at our spending priorities during the last XP spend, we didnt spec for sprinting through Dragons Nest construction. Because we're preparing for Mab. So we're doing things like buying Empathy, Etiquette and social charms.
If we were trying to sprint this, we would be buying Craft, Technology, Tech Excellency and Essence Dissecting Stare.
Ignoring that plan now is a bad idea.
1)Minors cannot legally buy lottery tickets.
There is negative value in diving into such obvious legal jeopardy, or risking our lawyer for it.
We do it clean, so that noone can pull a gotcha on us.
2)The lottery is not a one and done affair my friend.
Assuming the QM is using the same historical charts, your own charts make it clear that there's a couple large jackpots within three months of Molly's majority.
There are two $200 million+ Powerball jackpots in January 2007, two months after Molly turns 18. Either of them represents a take-home of ~$70 million after the 50% cut from taking a bulk payout, and a third in taxes. By the time we give away half that to family, friends and charity, we would still have a nestegg of around 30 million and 5 million spending money.
We'll be fine.
Citizens, not employees.
I am willing to assume that Molly is going to be essentially Resources
In the real world, thats a lot more unlikely.
I would not assume that the resources of our Hell as a corporate entity are automatically our personal piggybank either.
That way lies absolute dictators and the Congo Free Republic.
1)Tax agents look for undeclared income, and failure to pay taxes on said income
They do not, to my knowledge, look for how you made the money. I took a quick look here, and :
Al Capone famously went to jail for tax evasion. Not because of the income.
2)The Crater of Diamonds State Park in Arkansas allows you to pay a daily fee to prospect for diamonds and to keep what you collect. Twelve hour drive from Chicago.
And its not the only potential source of stones in the continental US; Mindat.org points to multiple potential sites for prospecting right in Illnois. When we get good enough to make stones indistinguishable from nature, we're home free.
Just make a yearly trip to Arkansas, or to some other such site for a couple days, and make sure there's a data trail.
Also, buy at least 2 dots in Science, specifically Geology/Chemistry, so you can talk knowledgeably on the subject.
3) Refurbished automobiles is not really a regular cash thing.
Look up the price of used cars, and the margin on them. Not to mention the running costs for both garage and reseller.
The juice isnt worth the squeeze, not for our requirements.
Any refurbished automobiles we're doing is likely to be personal or commissioned work from friends and family.
Because its not cheating.
Using a natural ability to win a game of chance is not considered cheating.
Just like card counting in a casino is not considered cheating as long as you're doing it without technological or outside help.
The casino could and will bar you if you're too successful, as is their right as a private business, but its neither a crime nor unethical.
It might be immoral if you keep doing it past your need though.
That would almost definitely qualify as greed in Christian/Catholic theology. But now we get into philosophical questions beyond this quest.
Even if they could confirm that it was an artificial process?
The diamond business alone is worth in the 11-12 figures range, and Im not counting other precious stones.
No seller is going to be threatened by some smallscale op selling low 7 figures worth of diamonds in a year.
They might check their own supplies to make sure nothing is missing, but thats about the limit of their interests.
You have to have scale to interest the big and medium-scale players.
Two words: Raw materials.
You want a celltower repeater underground so Molly, guests and any cyberdevils there have cellphone service.
The electronics have to come from somewhere. The fiberoptics have to come from somewhere.
Someone is going to have to pay for them.
You want to pull power from the electric grid for illumination underground, and maybe heating.
The copper for power cabling(or whatever fictional superconductor we might use) has to come from somewhere.
So has the plastic for sheathing the cables. And power outlets. And the lights themselves. And any heaters.
Cable for internet and TV. Pipes for potable water. Porcelain or metal for sinks and lavatories. I could go on.
Raw material ultimately has to come from somewhere. Someone is going to have to buy it and move it underground.
Even if you're just recycling scrap instead of buying new stuff?
Someone presumably has to pay for and transport it.
It is not the 1960s any longer.
De Beers remains a major player, but does not control the diamond market any more; their share of the market was around 45% in 2003, and is down to around 35% in 2011, and 37% today.
De Beers settled US antitrust charges in 2003. They are not coming after us for regularly selling a couple mil in gemstones a year.
Nobody is really going to care about someone selling low seven or even eight figures of precious stones yearly anyway.
Not in a triple digit billions industry(diamonds, both gemstone and industrial). We arent statistically significant.
They'll just check to see its not from their own stock or suppliers.
Furthermore, diamonds are not the only gemstones in the market.
They are roughly 80% of the gemstone market according to Google, but stones like sapphires and rubies have a share.
As does opal.
And we have have yet to exploit the bullshit of nuclear transmutation with regards to platinum-group metals, which is an even more fungible source of funds.
We only started with diamonds because they were the most basic to start with.
Thats a mistake.
We only have Craft 3, Technology 2, no Tech Excellency, no Sight, no Perception charms, and the stuff we looted from the Fomori base to help build our Dragons Nest's mystical side is still buried in Cleveland.
Our focus for the next three months is on preparing for Mab, so our XP spending priorities will reflect that focus.
So none of that is likely to improve.
We want to slowroll the Nest until we're done with Mab. It doesnt have a time limit; Mab does.
Neither Gard nor Mab wear jewelry to my recollection.
And I think you are badly mistaken about the interest in commissions from supernatural customers.
I mean, the Leanansidhe was literally just poisoned a couple years ago by a gift from the Red Court. And the jewelry that Summer gave to both Dresden and Morgan for excelling against the Red Court were also magical trackers.
Nobody from the Winter side of things(and I mean both Mab and Odin) is in the market for jewellery commissions.
And the Whites are not going to risk it either.
1)The Sight, if available, would be an immediate priority.
For general use, like with random supernatural encounters.
For combat encounters where the enemy throws up smokescreens like in Cleveland. But especially for Crafting, given as everyone is voting to work on Dragon Nest construction, which means we are working in proximity to bigass magical energy flows.
Just like you want good lighting before working on power cables, you want to be able to see what you are doing before working with Dragons Nests. That way you dont do shit like mistakenly trigger earthquakes, which we've been explicitly told is a risk when working with Dragons Nests.
The Fomor had a seismograph after all.
2)Formalizing access to Bob is a Big Deal.
Not quite as big a deal as discovering the Dragons Nest, but only just.
Not just for sorcery scholarship reasons either.
We are preparing to talk to Mab in eight to twelve weeks.
Bob knows the Winter Court a lot better than we do, their goals and motivations and history.
We want his knowledge. That means we need to take Not A Wizard But.
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- Location
- Near Water
Forgive me for my last post on the lore. So Molly might be able to have billions of minions somehow through a charm? Would this be in an alternate reality? In a Yama king demon realm of her own?
How exactly would that work?
How exactly would that work?
- Location
- Germany
Yes, with the right Charm Molly can get her own Hell in the general metaphysical area of the Yama King's realms, with herself as the local demonlord. The Hell will contain an already existing civilisation that has been around since long before Molly, but that is just a harmless bit of paradox.
In this crossover setting it would propably be a part of the Nevernever, so not quite in reality, but definitly existing within the Gates.
^^^
The exact mechanism is deliberately left vague.
It could be the Exaltation ripping a part of the NeverNever and creating people ex nihilo as a Shaping effect a la Wyld-Shaping Technique. It could be a case of grand larceny on a Hell, looting a bunch of their prisoners/inhabitants and giving them new life.
It could be atemporal timeywimey bullshit grabbing people who died/were about to die from multiple time periods.
It could be all of them. Or none.
How doesnt matter. Just that it happens.
We are free to hint at how and where we think they came from, I believe.
The references should be fun.
The exact mechanism is deliberately left vague.
It could be the Exaltation ripping a part of the NeverNever and creating people ex nihilo as a Shaping effect a la Wyld-Shaping Technique. It could be a case of grand larceny on a Hell, looting a bunch of their prisoners/inhabitants and giving them new life.
It could be atemporal timeywimey bullshit grabbing people who died/were about to die from multiple time periods.
It could be all of them. Or none.
How doesnt matter. Just that it happens.
We are free to hint at how and where we think they came from, I believe.
The references should be fun.
This is a good argument, yes. I have some counter-arguments:
1) The risk is significant if we are going from partially omniscient perspective - one that knows about Lea and the tracking spells, etc. From IC perspective, that gift giving is considered appropriate at all indicates that cursed gifts are a rarity. The gift giving tradition is a strong one in many traditions, including in stories of the fae. There has to be a reason for it.
2) Whites are almost certainly going to risk it, especially if we sell it with "buy it, and then wear it, advertising my crafts; as long as you keep doing so, your hunger will be suppressed". This is a way to game MiS.
3) Even for purely mortals, such as politicians, celebrities, etc, jewelry is far more politically / personally significant than gems themselves.
Basically, my main point is that jewelry takes us away from pure money generation, and adds a dimension of plot development / interpersonal communication. I don't want to spend AP on purely monetary issues. I want plot and story. And yes, I realize that family craft is probably more story-significant (because yes, I absolutely can see Nicodemius commissioning Michael for a table)
It could also be Devil Tiger's world body starting to coalesce.
JayTar
Idea briefcase
I consider the project to be valuable preparations for Mab. It lets us establish ourself as a power, rather then just a lone agent. Craft 3 and Technology are perfectly sufficient for the project.
And the project seems like something that would give great opportunities for exp. On the other hand learning magic while very cool, is an exp and time sink that doesn't contribute to preparing for Mab. So our XP and time spending priorities should reflect that focus.