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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Also, is Michael restricted in terms of using his Sword against mortals who are attempting to attack himself or his family? I would assume that beyond a certain point, the answer would be, "You had your chance to surrender, and I will. Not. Let. You. Harm my family."
 
fictionfan said:
How does that work. The king and the kingdom talks about how we can take people to our private world, but I can't find any charms or rules about taking anything out. Has DragonParadox said something or are the rules somewhere that I haven't looked?
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There aren't any. :V

Well, no, that's not true. A bunch of Path of Summoning dots + employing hell sorcerers to set-up infrastructure once they are in the mundane world. Thanks to the usual "Exalts get a lot more mileage out of paths than mortals" rule, that is actually a workable set up.

We don't have a way to get people out through actual Infernal charms, though, which is amusing.

[X]Plan Diamonds Are Forever
 
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TonedMite said:
Also, is Michael restricted in terms of using his Sword against mortals who are attempting to attack himself or his family? I would assume that beyond a certain point, the answer would be, "You had your chance to surrender, and I will. Not. Let. You. Harm my family."
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In that situation I don't expect us to allow him to get pushed that far. Long before then we would have already chopped the attackers into pieces and would already be tracking down who sent them.
 
[X] A Nest for Porter

Seems decent. I definitely want to do more then just 1 AP on the Porter action so that we finish it in sooner then 8 turns.

As an alternative that slightly branches out:

[X] A Rose and a Porter
-[X] Dreaming True, Rosie is going to need help, training to manage her gift eventually, look around for information, books or ideally a teacher
-[X] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar in the perilous, powerful arts of his order
-[X] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago, so far you have been isolated from the supernatural scene of Chicago, now that you can get in touch with them without necessarily having your dad with you all the time the time has come to change that... though given how both Mouse and McCoy thought you were bad news at first maybe you should bring dad or Harry along to some of them just as an introduction
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--[X] A Rose's Tale: Follow up on Rose of Autumn, you are sure she will be happy to learn what became of the Pathfinders in Cleveland
-[X] Restoring the Last Station (x3): You promised Porter that you will help restore the Last Station to its former glory, a task what will not be easy or quick even with all your talents, though you are sure it will be rewarding in the end (0/8)

Might be nice to learn a little more about the local scene before we establish our self as a local power. Understand the waves we are making and all.
 
Prospalz said:
There aren't any. :V

Well, no, that's not true. A bunch of Path of Summoning dots + employing hell sorcerers to set-up infrastructure once they are in the mundane world.

We don't have a way to get people out through actual Infernal charms, though, which is amusing.
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Technically CCG would probably work too, since it opens an actual portal that lasts for a few minutes.

Though now that I stop to think about it, the bigger trick might be dealing with the whole ectoplasm thing. It's possible our hell won't suffer from that as much, but it wouldn't totally surprise me if that's how DP throttles this back to a more reasonable level.

Then again we also got something on the viability of using exalted crafting to use the hell of boiling oil as a hydrocarbon source, so there's probably ways to address this issue if we need to.
 
myrix said:
There are different views on the matter, but I think prevailing one, supported by outlawing methods of guaranteeing wins and strict controls on randomness of draws, is that the spirit of the lottery is that it is a game of chance between all the tickets, with a fee to the organizers, with each ticket having uniformly the same chance of winning. And manipulating chances is cheating at the game.
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The lottery is nothing but a way to fleece money, legally from the poor and stupid. That is the core idea that formed the lottery in the first place.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Technically CCG would probably work too, since it opens an actual portal that lasts for a few minutes.

Though now that I stop to think about it, the bigger trick might be dealing with the whole ectoplasm thing. It's possible our hell won't suffer from that as much, but it wouldn't totally surprise me if that's how DP throttles this back to a more reasonable level.

Then again we also got something on the viability of using exalted crafting to use the hell of boiling oil as a hydrocarbon source, so there's probably ways to address this issue if we need to.
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I really hope that DP doesn't rule things like that. But yes if DP does say that our kingdom isn't material like that then our industry just shifts to mining this world and converting the material.

Also if DP says that our world is a spiritual realm we should get a charm to give our minions an afterlife in it.
 
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Earth-Destroyer said:
The lottery is nothing but a way to fleece money, legally from the poor and stupid. That is the core idea that formed the lottery in the first place.
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Correct, I was referring to the public justification for its legal existence, which is its uniformity. You are expected to lose money to organizers, but at least no more likely then all the other participants, and for that you are buying a chance for a big payout.

Any way of rigging the system for positive EV breaks this justification, and the system becomes even more evil. All the participants are now not only victims of the organizers, they are also victims of the rigger, as the rigger's positive EV is comprised of chunks of EV they illegally cheated off of other participants, and the rigging also steals the only thing the participants definitely get from the lottery, the hope of winning.
 
fictionfan said:
I really hope that DP doesn't rule things like that.
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"Oh your Kingdom isn't actually real" is hella lame, but if that's how things are, then that's how things are.

There are like, three separate instances in the book warning GM's about thinking thrice before trying to nerf seemingly ridiculous stuff, but if things genuinely too hard to reasonably fit into the game without breaking DP's sanity, then that's that.

We'll just stick to summoning skilled labor, sorcerers and soldiers, I guess.
 
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@DragonParadox would an act8on "substitute normal morning and evening hygiene for TTC+ Craft excellency beautification and body care procedures" addon require additional AP expenditure?
 
[X]Plan Small marvels of hellish beauty
-[X] Masterworks for Money: 1AP
--[X] Small marvels
-[X] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago: 1 AP
--[X] A Rose's Tale
-[X] A Friend in Need: 1AP
--[X] Dreaming True
-[X] The Bridges of the Spirit: 1AP
-[X] Not a Wizard, but: 1AP
-[X] Restoring the Last Station(0/8): 1AP
-[X] Instead of taking a shower in the morning and in the evening, get into the habit of using TTC and excellency for supernaturally good body (and hair and nail) care and beautification procedures

Sorry, internet is too poor in Kazakh plains for a proper discussion. Basically, small wonders has a far better plot generating potential, and thus possibility of xp profit. Lydia, Gard, Lara Raith, Maeve and even Mab herself are far more likely to be personally interested in jewelry than in plain diamonds. Commissions from supernatural beings should be possible once we establish ourselves. Diamonds are just Diamonds. They are Money, and nothing else.

I have no objections to other choices, but this one is suboptimal from xp and plot perspective
 
Yog said:
-[X] Instead of taking a shower in the morning and in the evening, get into the habit of using TTC and excellency for supernaturally good body (and hair and nail) care and beautification procedures
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This certainly eventually leads to awkwardness with Molly putting herself in a blender or whatever other instruments of torchure she uses for self care.

Now that might be a plus. It does lead to cool interactions, but I figured that everyone voting for that should consider it.
 
[X] A Rose and a Porter
-[X] Dreaming True, Rosie is going to need help, training to manage her gift eventually, look around for information, books or ideally a teacher
-[X] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar in the perilous, powerful arts of his order
-[X] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago, so far you have been isolated from the supernatural scene of Chicago, now that you can get in touch with them without necessarily having your dad with you all the time the time has come to change that... though given how both Mouse and McCoy thought you were bad news at first maybe you should bring dad or Harry along to some of them just as an introduction
spirits
--[X] A Rose's Tale: Follow up on Rose of Autumn, you are sure she will be happy to learn what became of the Pathfinders in Cleveland
-[X] Restoring the Last Station (x3): You promised Porter that you will help restore the Last Station to its former glory, a task what will not be easy or quick even with all your talents, though you are sure it will be rewarding in the end (0/8)
 
fictionfan said:
This certainly eventually leads to awkwardness with Molly putting herself in a blender or whatever other instruments of torchure she uses for self care.

Now that might be a plus. It does lead to cool interactions, but I figured that everyone voting for that should consider it.
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True. Hopefully it would make Charity more toleratnt of mundane magic use over time. We rather need to work on it well before our kingdom manifests.

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Oh, forgot ccc abuse. Because it should beemployed when possible. And it's a singular action, so it shouldn't take AP.

[X]Plan Small marvels of hellish beauty
-[X] Masterworks for Money: 1AP
--[X] Small marvels
-[X] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago: 1 AP
--[X] A Rose's Tale
-[X] A Friend in Need: 1AP
--[X] Dreaming True
-[X] The Bridges of the Spirit: 1AP
-[X] Not a Wizard, but: 1AP
-[X] Restoring the Last Station(0/8): 1AP
-[X] Instead of taking a shower in the morning and in the evening, get into the habit of using TTC and excellency for supernaturally good body (and hair and nail) care and beautification procedures
-[X] Make yourself a concealable ankle bracelet either slaved to Clippy or with its own devil that could be used to trigger Cracked Cell Circumvention. Use it to aid last station restoration and other crafting projects
 
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I am really glad that this quest is playing with us being the only or close to the only exalted. I was reading though discussions about paranoia combat. At first I wondered why it was such a big deal, but then I considered Molly even now trying to fight her freshly exalted self and realized that even our starting sword is so ridiculously lethal that even if we spent another 30 XP all on defense charms that aren't perfects it wouldn't save us.
 
fictionfan said:
paranoia combat.
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Thankfully, ExWoD combat isn't quite as borked as E2 nightmare of a combat system. Molly also got quite a bit of soak going on, so she wouldn't one-shot herself. In fact, for infernals, it is possible to stack enough soak to soak nearly everything.

That said, it is still possible to stack like 10+ bonus melee attacks between Shih arts and charms, so, eventually, that sort of overkill is still going to be a thing.
 
Prospalz said:
Thankfully, ExWoD combat isn't quite as borked as E2 nightmare of a combat system. Molly also got quite a bit of soak going on, so she wouldn't one-shot herself. In fact, for infernals, it is possible to stack enough soak to soak nearly everything.

That said, it is still possible to stack like 10+ bonus melee attacks between Shih arts and charms, so, eventually, that sort of overkill is still going to be a thing.
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Should not be a problem so long as we are the only exalted around. Also most of the time we aren't actually trying to kill everything.

Even if it did turn out that we could one shot Mab we wouldn't.
 
@DragonParadox, if we are going to craft, do we need to include in the plan anything beyond Excellency + BSM which was used when we crafted last time? Like CCC abuse, or some preparational crafting like sufficiently big, isolated and specifically prepared to craft inside liquid oxygen cryochamber for simultaneous BSM (in liquid) + WHWH (cold) + CSR (pure oxygen is toxic) benefits?
 
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