Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I assumed that Clippy is encrypting our communications. It would be very easy for it to do. Did we forget to arrange that?
It's just we hack so many other people it seems like common sense that we should should be following basic data security on our own devices.
We cant encrypt shit unless the other person is also using the same encryption scheme and has something to decrypt it on the other end. Our cyberdevils dont have any magic to do it. And the apps that would do this dont currently exist for smartphones unless you and the person you're talking to are both using BlackBerry Messenger.

Thats why Im talking about making a magic phone that uses magic to secure any conversations automatically with magic.
 
Is there any way I we can help Murphy get her old job back? Or even promoted beyond her old job? I feel like we owe her, but I can't think of any way to help her. At least not any ways she or we would approve of.

Maybe there is a charm that would allow us to discover all the corrupt cops on the force and give evidence of their misdeeds?
 
Is there any way I we can help Murphy get her old job back? Or even promoted beyond her old job? I feel like we owe her, but I can't think of any way to help her. At least not any ways she or we would approve of.

Maybe there is a charm that would allow us to discover all the corrupt cops on the force and give evidence of their misdeeds?

Persuade her bosses to give it back to her, the question is how to get them to listen to a teenager.

Or... you could take Disguise of a New Face and then you could look like someone else, anyone else.
 
Persuade her bosses to give it back to her, the question is how to get them to listen to a teenager.

Or... you could take Disguise of a New Face and then you could look like someone else, anyone else.
Not even sure how to get them to listen to an adult. Then again maybe we get a bunch of people in her district to sign a petition about how they approve of Murphy and are unhappy about her demotion? Not really infernal style and I don't even know if the people in her district like her.

Then their is.
Concentrating her will upon a crime or abhorrent thing, the Infernal infuses it with a little bit of the cold, unendurable Essence of the Night Realm. Henceforth, it becomes nearly impossible to speak of the cursed subject. System: The Infernal concentrates upon an upsetting, criminal, or otherwise negative and distressing act she witnesses or participates in, or the remnant evidence of that act, and then spends 2 Essence. Anyone who wishes to speak of the cursed event or evidence must spend a Willpower point (representing their discomfort at pushing through the horrors of Kakuri that assault their psyche when they attempt to dwell upon the cursed event) and then succeed at a Willpower roll against difficulty 9 to do so. This curse lingers for a year and a day.
That would make everyone unable to acknowledge the absence that Murphy did to save us and got her demoted. But it is hard to justify getting a 3 dot charm just for this and it likely would not work anyway with her already having been demoted. Or just intimate and bully them into do it and then unable to acknowledge that afterwards.

I will keep looking. Many ways force her bosses to promote her very few ways to make them happy about it.
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As the Infernal collects the possessions of the sinners around her, she liberates them from the burden of desire for those things. System: Whenever the Infernal successfully takes an action to remove an item from someone else's possession – such as by picking their pocket, convincing them to hand the object to her, robbing their house, disarming them in combat, or even destroying one of their belongings outright – she may reflexively pay 1 Essence to activate this Charm. Her player rolls Wits + Larceny against a difficulty of the owner's Willpower. Success causes the target to forget he owns or indeed ever owned the item, and any attempt to talk him into believing otherwise is made against difficulty 9.
We could blatantly just find the person who has the job Murphy should have and hack things to make it so Murphy has it well making it so the person that used to have that position can't imagine that they ever had it.
 
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Not even sure how to get them to listen to an adult. Then again maybe we get a bunch of people in her district to sign a petition about how they approve of Murphy and are unhappy about her demotion? Not really infernal style and I don't even know if the people in her district like her.

Then their is.
Concentrating her will upon a crime or abhorrent thing, the Infernal infuses it with a little bit of the cold, unendurable Essence of the Night Realm. Henceforth, it becomes nearly impossible to speak of the cursed subject. System: The Infernal concentrates upon an upsetting, criminal, or otherwise negative and distressing act she witnesses or participates in, or the remnant evidence of that act, and then spends 2 Essence. Anyone who wishes to speak of the cursed event or evidence must spend a Willpower point (representing their discomfort at pushing through the horrors of Kakuri that assault their psyche when they attempt to dwell upon the cursed event) and then succeed at a Willpower roll against difficulty 9 to do so. This curse lingers for a year and a day.
That would make everyone unable to acknowledge the absence that Murphy did to save us and got her demoted. But it is hard to justify getting a 3 dot charm just for this and it likely would not work anyway with her already having been demoted. Or just intimate and bully them into do it and then unable to acknowledge that afterwards.

I will keep looking. Many was force her bosses to promote her very few ways to make them happy about it.
Using NSS for this would be sort of sub optimal since it doesn't erase the information, just curses it. Maybe she'd get to keep her job but people in the know already, which includes a significant number of her coworkers, would probably treat her differently. SI certainly would, since they're clued in enough to acknowledge supernatural influences directly.

Better to make use of good old fashion corruption. After we've gone through with the lottery plan and have our finances secured we can use the crown to pick out someone to bribe.

Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone and buy our way into local politics so that we can do business with whoever we use for other stuff.
 
The Infernal may transmit her Essence through a piece of electronics and directly into her victim's psyche, temporarily blanking out their mind and transforming it into a canvas upon which to write her own commands. System: The Infernal must select a target who is staring at an electronic screen or feeding electronic sounds directly into his ear (such as someone browsing the internet with a laptop, listening to music through headphones, or talking on their cell phone). Spend 1 Essence and roll Manipulation + Computer against a difficulty of the target's Willpower rating. One or two successes will allow the Infernal to command her target to do anything that doesn't seem tremendously unusual or out of character. With three or four successes, she can command the target to do anything that doesn't endanger themselves or a loved one. With five or more successes, the target will risk his life and the lives of others at the Infernal's command. Mind Spider Curse cannot hypnotize a target into harming or killing himself, compel him into certain death, or force him to betray his Nature.
That should be enough to get someone to give Murphy a promotion. But as with most options using mind control and force to get Murphy's job back isn't going to make her happy. (or us) It is the sort of thing a fey that doesn't understand humans at all would do.

A better solution would likely be to empower Murphy to make her so amazing at her job that not promoting her seems unthinkable.
 
Only thing I can think of is have Lydia play politics, get her lawyer involved.

Maybe get Lydia several dots of politics, law, and finance.

Have her lawyer put pressure on the mayor, police chief, or Commissioner.
 
AoE effect vs. targeted effect. With AoE effects, like Demonic Primacy of Essence, it can be argued that we are not targeting Mab, but it's that she entered the field of effect on her own. With Naked Wicked Souls, we are making a deliberate attack on Mab/s privacy. It's something to consider.
Strongly disagree.
You're basically asserting that using the Sight, or a soulgaze, on Mab would count as an attack.
Barring QM adjudication otherwise, I would discount that as a consideration.

If you look at 10 most expensive knives in google, you'll see that modern knives go for as much as 2 million. Market size is hard to find (or at least I wasn't able to do so), admitedly, but you have to understand that high end knives, swords, etc, are, essentially, a type of masculine jewelry. There's a large, if not particularly publizied market there, same as with custom firearms.

Now, I am not saying that jewelry isn't more profitable. It probably is (but only if we start passing our jewels as natural, which I have moral qualms about). But that's all it is - profitable. At least melee weapons can be used when needed.

Please do not take it as me opposing making jewelry, at least in some quantities.
Thats only a thing for very particular subcultures, none of which are in the Middle East, where conspicuous consumption for men leans towards cars, yachts, camels and falcons. And even they would balk at those prices.

Look at the list you presented.
All of them are there because of brand name, who owned them, or their antiquity. Nothing about quality.
And none of them move any volume; those prices are generally for one-offs or low volume items.

The most expensive is a four hundred year old Indian historical artifact, the second most expensive is a commission by some Japanese businessman with more money than sense, the third is a two hundred year old Chinese historical artifact, the fourth is a knife that used to belong to Teddy Roosevelt, fifth was Anthony Bourdain's cooking knife.

Sixth is a kitchen knife with diamonds in it, seventh is another historical artifact, this time Russian.

Notice the theme?
Its who owned them, not who made them, with some price inflation for gaudy use of jewels and precious metal inlay.

Off the shelf prices for top quality knives? Right there in the page:
His knife, made by American-based swordsmith Bob Kramer, is considered one of the best knives in the world, forged in Kramer's personal workshop. Kramer – a personal friend of Bourdain's – produces knives that are considerably cheaper than the ones sold at auction, with his standard knives going for between $4,000 and $6,000.
Thats the price range for a quality modern knife handmade by a well-known smith.
And they dont move all that much volume either.

This is very different from jewelry, where there are relatively objective valuations for gemstones, and a global market of tens of millions, from middle class Westerners to 0.0001 percenters. From poor people who scrimped and saved to splurge on four figures worth of jewelry, to ballers with their own personal jewelers showing up with a selection every month.

If a gemstone is too expensive for a single buyer, it will get cut up into pieces and can be sold to multiple people.

Because lets be clear about the value proposition here.
A days labor produced 5x diamonds that are likely to go for 50k after taxes.
If we do that once a week for a year at the same price, thats a yearly income of 2.6 million dollars.


If we improve the quality to the point where they are indistinguishable from natural diamonds, value goes up even further.
And it can be sold relatively anonymously, without a need to develop a public brand and persona.
Nobody knows the name of the suppliers of major jewelers.

We have zero interest in trying to make cutlery for sale.
As gifts and equipment for friends and allies yes.
For sale? No.

  1. You guys can totally poke him, just be aware that if you do any hacking into private files he may well be upset. Just because he is Lydia's ally does not mean he is Molly's
  2. Speaking of Lydia, she has been added as a companion on the front page, the question marks are for her armor which you guys have not had the chance to see in action so far
Cool.
No need for all that; he went to Harvard Law, so his personal details are more or less public.
Anything else just needs Crown lookup.
 
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Better to make use of good old fashion corruption. After we've gone through with the lottery plan and have our finances secured we can use the crown to pick out someone to bribe.

Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone and buy our way into local politics so that we can do business with whoever we use for other stuff.
We can do that. Lots of charms to. The Man that sold the world for bribes, Naked Wicked Souls (•) works for blackmail. Unfortunately it doesn't actually help Murphy in a way she actually wants to be helped which is a poor way to repay someone.
 
[X] Yes, trade diamonds for 50,000 Dollars from Lydia now
-[X] Assure Lydia that we'll make up the difference with more diamonds later if this batch sells for less than its appraisal value.
 
Is there any way I we can help Murphy get her old job back? Or even promoted beyond her old job? I feel like we owe her, but I can't think of any way to help her. At least not any ways she or we would approve of.
Maybe there is a charm that would allow us to discover all the corrupt cops on the force and give evidence of their misdeeds?
Multiple options, both magic and politics.
You have to ask if thats what she wants now, or if her goals have changed.
Karrin Murphy of Storm Front is not the Karrin Murphy of Proven Guilty.

Before doing anything, its best to determine if thats what they want.
Persuade her bosses to give it back to her, the question is how to get them to listen to a teenager.
Or... you could take Disguise of a New Face and then you could look like someone else, anyone else.
Thats not all that difficult.

Money talks. Salt $50,000-$100,000 in donations around the various interest groups(police union, reelection campaigns) after we turn 18 and have income, and do so each year.
That will get you access when you need it. After that its just turn on the social Excellency and let it work.

Question is whether she wants the job back.
I mean, she wants to remain a cop sure. And losing all her seniority with a demotion was definitely galling.
Also, fuck Rudolf.

And we can probably ensure her longterm financial stability, legally, with only a little effort in setting up a trust fund.

But whether she wants to keep the job of leading the SI department, or to displace the new lieutenant who is a good friend , is a very different matter. People and priorities change.
Maybe if SI was improved in status, with a captain in charge instead of lieutenant, like it used to have when her father was Captain.
NSS is a generally pretty fun charm, just to be clear.
VEE works, although it'll leave a trace.
VEE is overkill.
Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone and buy our way into local politics so that we can do business with whoever we use for other stuff.
Assuming we dont want to roleplay it out and just want to fire and forget? Fortune Path.
Fortune 3/4, focused on career.
Layer a Blessing on her and let it work.

2 dots minimum for significant personal advantages.
You need 3 dots for several months duration at a time, 4 dots for several years, and 5 dots for generations.
Thats 13XP for Fortune 3 or 22XP for Fortune 4.

Just find a teacher.
Bob should qualify for essentially every Path, but its a QM determination.
 
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We can do that. Lots of charms to. The Man that sold the world for bribes, Naked Wicked Souls (•) works for blackmail. Unfortunately it doesn't actually help Murphy in a way she actually wants to be helped which is a poor way to repay someone.
Pretty sure she wants to be appreciated on her own merits by her peers, not strong arm them into compliance with curses.

Mundane(ish) corruption is at least a lot more subtle and less likely to terrify everyone Murphy works with. Also less likely to get her caught by the Daedalus goons currently in town. They're busy, but they work with the cops a lot and making everyone who tries to talk about a particular event experience a mental attack isn't exactly subtle.

Assuming we dont want to roleplay it out and just want to fire and forget? Fortune Path.
Fortune 3/4, focused on career.
Layer a Blessing on her and let it work.

2 dots minimum for significant personal advantages.
You need 3 dots for several months duration at a time, 4 dots for several years, and 5 dots for generations.
Thats 13XP for Fortune 3 or 22XP for Fortune 4.

Just find a teacher.
Bob should qualify for essentially every Path, but its a QM determination.
Yeah, but that takes time and exp. We could use the most gratuitous application of supernatural power at every turn, but if it isn't necessary then it's more efficient and timely to use other means.

We already have the tools needed to handle a lot of this stuff, might as well fully utilize them.
Well when comes to cursing people in new and interesting ways Infernals beat even Solars. We could easily get him fired or even make it so nobody remembers he ever existed.
if we actually go after him my vote is to HMP his phone and home computer, then have the cyber devils slowly rack up ruinous online gambling debts for him.

No one will ever believe him when he claims he didn't do it, and after the initial injection of demons completely mundane forces would destroy his life for us.

Worst comes to worse we need to engineer some "relapses" for him, but dollars to doughnuts we can have Rudolph drinking himself to death in a trailor somewhere in relatively short order after the first big push.

If we're still feeling spiteful after that we can then sell/leak his information online. He'd spend the rest of his life struggling to deal with the consequences of everyone and their brother stealing his identity, which would be loads of fun with his finances already completely shot.
 
if we actually go after him my vote is to HMP his phone and home computer, then have the cyber devils slowly rack up ruinous online gambling debts for him.

No one will ever believe him when he claims he didn't do it, and after the initial injection of demons completely mundane forces would destroy his life for us.

Worst comes to worse we need to engineer some "relapses" for him, but dollars to doughnuts we can have Rudolph drinking himself to death in a trailor somewhere in relatively short order after the first big push.

If we're still feeling spiteful after that we can then sell/leak his information online. He'd spend the rest of his life struggling to deal with the consequences of everyone and their brother stealing his identity, which would be loads of fun with his finances already completely shot.
If only helping people was as easy as destroying people's lifes.

What we need is a put on the bus charm. Something that will make people move away and not be our problem anymore.

If we want to help Murphy we could likely get her a job at Daedalus. She is better informed then most of them are.
They're busy, but they work with the cops a lot and making everyone who tries to talk about a particular event experience a mental attack isn't exactly subtle.

Fairly sure they have to spend the willpower to even try. It isn't a case of people starting to say something and then cutting off middle sentence. It's people all trying their best to avoid the topic.
 
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[X] Yes, trade diamonds for 50,000 Dollars from Lydia now
-[X] Assure Lydia that we'll make up the difference with more diamonds later if this batch sells for less than its appraisal value.
 
offhand dp how much does bob count towards getting a modern occult and whatever skills allow us to know mystical organizations, monsters, groups, magic names, and spirits and supernatural politics? Like would they count for a discount towards learning that stuff? Cause I assume we'll heavily invest in learning said things.
 
offhand dp how much does bob count towards getting a modern occult and whatever skills allow us to know mystical organizations, monsters, groups, magic names, and spirits and supernatural politics? Like would they count for a discount towards learning that stuff? Cause I assume we'll heavily invest in learning said things.
I personally don't want to do that at all. Bob is currently an essence gold mine if we learned all that we would not longer be able to use him as a essence recharge station.
 
Pretty sure she wants to be appreciated on her own merits by her peers, not strong arm them into compliance with curses.

Mundane(ish) corruption is at least a lot more subtle and less likely to terrify everyone Murphy works with. Also less likely to get her caught by the Daedalus goons currently in town. They're busy, but they work with the cops a lot and making everyone who tries to talk about a particular event experience a mental attack isn't exactly subtle.

Naked Wicked Souls just gives you blackmail, how you use it can be as subtle as you like.
 
I personally don't want to do that at all. Bob is currently an essence gold mine if we learned all that we would not longer be able to use him as a essence recharge station.
we literally can't learn everything he knows I meant as an exp reduction on getting dots for related skills of what I listed. Bob will literally always be able to give us essence recharges like there is no way we will ever be able to learn everything from him in the length of this quest.
 
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[X] Yes, trade diamonds for 50,000 Dollars from Lydia now
-[X] Assure Lydia that we'll make up the difference with more diamonds later if this batch sells for less than its appraisal value.
 
@DragonParadox if you don't mind, I wanted to ask some questions concerning our future kingdom (I am still working on improving my proposal):
1) Advanced Technology - how advanced are we talking here? In my mind it was something close to Cyberpunk 2077 levels, at least partially accomplished through the use of magic and technology together, made possible through HMP-like machine spirits. The reasoning for this is as follows: we have in our potential charm tree arsenal HMP and Latter Day Devil Implants. Those are essentially technological and technomagical in nature. I figure that the kingdom of our soul, born from our themes and powers, should be able to, well, not recreate our charm effects, but approach them in paradigm. So, subsapient animal and plant like machine spirits inhabiting specifically made chips that are installed in pretty much all the tech, allowing for techbane to be bypassed and for some of the more magical effects to be accomplished, making it easier to make advanced technology
2) Resident Devils - how much freedom do we have in designing them, and what rules should we follow? Fomori creation from W20? Something else?
 
@DragonParadox if you don't mind, I wanted to ask some questions concerning our future kingdom (I am still working on improving my proposal):
1) Advanced Technology - how advanced are we talking here? In my mind it was something close to Cyberpunk 2077 levels, at least partially accomplished through the use of magic and technology together, made possible through HMP-like machine spirits. The reasoning for this is as follows: we have in our potential charm tree arsenal HMP and Latter Day Devil Implants. Those are essentially technological and technomagical in nature. I figure that the kingdom of our soul, born from our themes and powers, should be able to, well, not recreate our charm effects, but approach them in paradigm. So, subsapient animal and plant like machine spirits inhabiting specifically made chips that are installed in pretty much all the tech, allowing for techbane to be bypassed and for some of the more magical effects to be accomplished, making it easier to make advanced technology
2) Resident Devils - how much freedom do we have in designing them, and what rules should we follow? Fomori creation from W20? Something else?
  1. Well advanced technology is called out as being more advanced than our own so yeah some level of cyberpunk would make sense and including a spiritual element is very fitting to the world-soul of an infernal
  2. Resident devils includes spirits and Fomori. There are rules for it in W20 and Book of the Worm with more details in Riot of the Flesh
 
Fairly sure they have to spend the willpower to even try. It isn't a case of people starting to say something and then cutting off middle sentence. It's people all trying their best to avoid the topic
Yeah, but they still know what's up, they just can't dwell on it or try to speak without willpower expenditure and a roll. It's not like mind charring infusion, where the data is actually deleted.

Trying to do anything about it will immediately hit them with visions of the hell of being skinned alive, which I expect will get a reaction itself even if her work absence doesn't anymore.
Naked Wicked Souls just gives you blackmail, how you use it can be as subtle as you like.
True, but blackmail is unstable as a control mechanism. Your victim will fight back given the opportunity, so you're only one slip from failure that also encapsulates whatever you were using them for. Still useful, but not something I'd want to pin long term stuff like Murphy's job too.

Murphy probably wouldn't be too happy about it either.
 
The easiest way to give Murphy her old rank back is to give her an extra dot in the Rank Background with VEE.

Edit: actually, Murphy shouldn't have been demoted yet. It's very hard and takes a very long time to discipline a Chicago police officer. This is a drawn out bureaucratic process that takes many months. Even if a preliminary decision has been reached it won't be official yet and there should be multiple ways to push back on it.

That Kakuri evidence suppressing charm should still be effective, as Murphy can request reconsideration and the review board would find it impossible to consider the case against her.
 
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