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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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BronzeTongue said:
They're loyal to the limits of their nature. They won't break our orders, but they will look for some sort of entertainment.

Can't Lydia interrogate them?

Even if she can't we can use the crown to ask for everything a particular individual knew about their organization and get much the same effect.
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They desire, above all else, quiet. They are trapped in a place of eternal screaming. They are perfectly content to spend their time in blissful oblivion, but even intense use seems calm to their mind compared to where they came from.

Maybe in a few decades, when they have adjusted to a new normal, they may branch out. There is a lot of stuff to decompress from though, so give it a few decades before we expect them to start deviating from simply wanting quiet.

I worry less about the cyber devils more about how his brownies will respond to a second set of household servants. They ARE known for trouble if their contract is broken.
 
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I'm inclined to let the Reds hit the Pathfinders first, then hit the Reds when they're done, but I don't think Michael would approve.
 
Goldfish said:
I'm inclined to let the Reds hit the Pathfinders first, then hit the Reds when they're done, but I don't think Michael would approve.
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I don't think Micheal would take issue with that?

The important part is that we make sure nobody escapes with lore or loot from here.

[X] Let the vampires go first, you will clean up the winner afterwards
-[X] Take over the Vampire-ship while they are busy to avoid any getting away.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
I worry less about the cyber devils more about how his brownies will respond to a second set of household servants. They ARE known for trouble if their contract is broken.
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Probably could be negotiated, Harry got enough good will with them. There is a bunch of workable angles, starting with the fact that they aren't so much servants as an essential part of any machinery/items works them into - otherwise, it'll break in a presence of a wizard.
Yog said:
I have to wonder how Lash would feel about this, and how introduction of a multiple demonic non-hostile entities to his household would affect Harry's view of Lash.
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Not much. Cyberdevils are a very different beast to a shadow of an archangel.
 
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[X] Attempt commandeer the aid of the Red Court in this matter
-[X] Use excellency (Intimidate)
-[X] Stunt: Like a technorganic beast from the unfathomable lightless depths of hellish oceans your vessel silently swims near the surface of the water, hidden in the evening's shadows and the mist formed by your ever present aura of cold. The only sound reaching your ears is a hum on your father's lips. As you approach the Red Court boats, you surface, and exit the hatch, appearing for all to see to glide on the surface of the water, surrounded by wisps of mist. You greet them with all the regal power you can bring forth, informing them that today they are to be your allies, so in saving you a few precious seconds they might earn, perhaps, your favor.

Something like this. Hunt for the Red October, and gliding on the top of the water. And mists called by our aura of coldness (hopefully that's allowed by the stunt)... That should be spooky enough, I feel.

 
DragonParadox said:
They just arrived on the scene, it seems unlikely to Molly that they would have seen much.
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Actually, it's even more interesting then. I mean, it's one thing to see a submarine being assembled by hellfire tools. That's "ok, sure, she's an archfiend of hell who somehow works with a knight of the cross; we knew she's powerful" - something that fits the paradigm, if barely. Just seeing the submarine, however... The question they would be asking is "who is bankrolling this operation that they can get a mini-submarine on short notice?". Knights usually don't have large budgets of spy gadgets.
 
Yog said:
I'm kinda interested in what kind of computer Molly would be able to make for Harry that his techbane wouldn't (completely) break. Vacuum tubes maybe? I mean, he's not likely to accept demon-possesed gifts.
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Can't we just hook up Bob to it? Spirit of knowledge and all. Though granted, I'm not convinced he's better-behaved than Cyberdevils. Make sure to restrict his recreational posting privileges to age-appropriate venues.
 
[X] Let the vampires go first, you will clean up the winner afterwards

Let's have the Vampires be the protagonists in this case. That is to say it is for them to suffer and maybe die to overcome the challenges inherent in the quest. Well it is for us the antagonists to snatch the fruits of victory from their trembling hands.
 
On the subject of Red Court vampires - once we get our kingdom, with Endless Torment running, there's a very good metabiological question: what happens if a red half-vampire drinks someone to death while inside our kingdom? Especially if said drinking is fully consensual, the victim is doing this out of True Love, and knows that they will be reborn? Because I can see several scenarios:
1) If the Red Court vampire is a different person from the human they were created from (soul-wise), then a human soul would be ejected from the red court body and be reborn via Endless Torment feature of our realm
2) If the Red Court vampire and their progenitor human are the same being, and the transformation is conceptually connected to killing someone - unexpected effects might happen, like no transformation occurring or the metamorphosis resulting in a different outcome
3) If the Red Court vampire is the same being as their original human self and the transformation is fueled only by the physical death, then everything would go as normal.

That's something to test, I feel.
 
Yog said:
On the subject of Red Court vampires - once we get our kingdom, with Endless Torment running, there's a very good metabiological question: what happens if a red half-vampire drinks someone to death while inside our kingdom? Especially if said drinking is fully consensual, the victim is doing this out of True Love, and knows that they will be reborn? Because I can see several scenarios:
1) If the Red Court vampire is a different person from the human they were created from (soul-wise), then a human soul would be ejected from the red court body and be reborn via Endless Torment feature of our realm
2) If the Red Court vampire and their progenitor human are the same being, and the transformation is conceptually connected to killing someone - unexpected effects might happen, like no transformation occurring or the metamorphosis resulting in a different outcome
3) If the Red Court vampire is the same being as their original human self and the transformation is fueled only by the physical death, then everything would go as normal.

That's something to test, I feel.
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Endless Torment targets an organization not a species, race or person. If an action isn't being done for the benefit of the organization or it's goals then it shouldn't be affect (unless done at the organization headquarters anyway) and if it does then it does affect which makes the answers of the questions easy if you know the goals of the organization. Of course we don't need to know the goals to use the charm.
 
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fictionfan said:
Endless Torment targets an organization not a species, race or person. If an action isn't being done for the benefit of the organization or it's goals then it shouldn't be affect (unless done at the organization headquarters anyway) and if it does then it does affect which makes the answers of the questions easy if you know the goals of the organization. Of course we don't need to know the goals to use the charm.
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Endless torment, as in the feature of our kingdom, not endless torment emanation, as in the charm. The former makes all inhabitants of our hell immortal by means of response, unless specific conditions are met
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Pardon me. The name of the feature is Endless Suffering, with the text being
Endless Suffering (Cost: 1 point): Those who
meet their ends according to certain criteria (such as
being devoured by the Realm's native devils, or being
melted in its acid seas, or even perishing for any reason
at all – very simple and very complicated rules are both
possible) are eventually reconstituted by the Realm
that they might be tormented to destruction again.
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DragonParadox said:
Going for a Ride
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COMMENTARY
1)Okay, we have confirmation that these are Fomor.
For those who dont remember, the Fomor are signatories to the Unseelie Accords. They are also silent allies of the Red Court during the ongoing Vampire War.

Critically, the chemical weapon warhead that murdered a good chunk of the White Council's forces in Dead Beat along with thousands of civilians was made by a Fomor sorcerer. So you'd think they'd be very close.
Yet you see covert shadowrunning by Red Court covert action teams to disrupt a Fomor operation.

Which is illustrative of the exact kind of factions the Red Court and Fomor are.

2) It also means there is a Fomor sorcerer here.
There is no way an operation of this size is going on without a Fomor cantrev-lord performing oversight. Thats serious mojo.
The underwater base is probably for him.

That means we're also dealing with his retinue and escort, which could easily be platoon or short company strength, with anything from modified humans to assassin beasts in their number.

3) It does tell us where the remaining gossamer is though.
Fomor are paranoid enough that whoever was running the show orobably had Niemi delivering the gossamer the same day/night it was harvested.

4)The Reds definitely mean to kill everybody here to avoid any word getting home of their perfidy
So our strategy is dependent on whether or not we want people here to live.

I mean, its worth noting that the Fomor resorted to openly kidnapping humans for breeding and modification into slave-soldiers after Changes. Which means they'd been doing it before, on a smaller scale.
So its entirely possible that some of the people here arent here of their free will

And thats the sort of thing that matters to the White God and Michael. Even Molly, if not quite as pressingly.
Also the sort of thing that you get bonus XP for.

5)The Fomor canonicall have Outsider influence among them.
We dont know how or where, but the Outsiders have influence on them somehow.

6)If these are Fomor, then capturing and interrogating them is a critical intelligence capability.
And it is the sort of intelligence thats immensely valuable. To everyone.
For example, even Mab doesnt know about Ethniu.
DragonParadox said:
No, 3 and 4 successes do the same thing. Five which is a legendary success would have gotten you a more long lasting engine .
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@DragonParadox

QUESTION
How many cultists do we estimate fled here?
 
Yog said:
Actually, it's even more interesting then. I mean, it's one thing to see a submarine being assembled by hellfire tools. That's "ok, sure, she's an archfiend of hell who somehow works with a knight of the cross; we knew she's powerful" - something that fits the paradigm, if barely. Just seeing the submarine, however... The question they would be asking is "who is bankrolling this operation that they can get a mini-submarine on short notice?". Knights usually don't have large budgets of spy gadgets.
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Don't forget the sub is also going to be aesthetically ... interesting
 
Gnarker said:
Can't we just hook up Bob to it? Spirit of knowledge and all. Though granted, I'm not convinced he's better-behaved than Cyberdevils. Make sure to restrict his recreational posting privileges to age-appropriate venues.
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TonedMite said:
And maybe also restrict his access to certain such websites?
cough P*rnhub cough
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Bob canonically learns how to access the Internet after living with Butters for around two years, between the end of Changes and the end of Skin Game. Without using a computer to do it, or any physical connection.
If you put a computer in his vicinity, he'll figure it out. Eventually.
 
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uju32 said:
It also means there is a Fomor sorcerer here.
There is no way an operation of this size is going on without a Fomor cantrev-lord performing oversight. Thats serious mojo.
The underwater base is probably for him.

That means we're also dealing with his retinue and escort, which could easily be platoon or short company strength, with anything from modified humans to assassin beasts in their number.
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That seems at odds with the Reds going in with 18 people and expecting to win.

I'm not even sure that this is an action of a unified faction called Formor or if these are just the actions of the Pathfinders as a much smaller cult that is kinda associated with them.
 
DragonParadox said:
That is hard to tell due to the fact that any non-involved staff would also have run, but just from the cars you saw heading this way it would have 10-20 people.
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Okay. So upper bound of twenty cultists.

Assuming a Fomor cantrev-lord, and the staff necessary to keep said base in running order.
Looking at the events of Even Hand and the forces that assaulted Marcone, Im assuming at least 50 troops; roughly a platoon of human soldiers +/- guard beasts

Add the support staff necessary to keep everything else running, and the personal slaves of the Fomor lord; the Fomor canonically own human slaves. Definitely a bunch of civilians in the bunch to do the scut work, whether slaves from the Fomor lands or kidnapped from Cleveland itself. And of course the pleasure slaves.

Easily a hundred people or more down there, with anywhere from a third to half being enslaved support staff.
We cant afford to let the Rampires run amok.

Artemis1992 said:
That seems at odds with the Reds going in with 18 people and expecting to win.
I'm not even sure that this is an action of a unified faction called Formor or if these are just the actions of the Pathfinders as a much smaller cult that is kinda associated with them.
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Why? This is tailor made for them.

Assume Don whateverhisname or one of his people is a Red blood sorcerer, which is a prereq for something like this.
Add 3x BloodPacks, who are basically superhuman combat troops who burn blood for power and regeneration and treat mortals like Caprisun juice boxes.

And the close quarters of the base is custom made for superfast troops with narcotic projectile spit who prefer close combat.
There's neither fire nor sunlight.
Id bet on a blood sorcerer and 17x Rampires against a cantrev-lord and 50-60 retainers under these circumstances.
 
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