Mostly agree with this, but I think our fetich soul will be made out of the remains of our human vessel when we ascend to full Primordial-hood.
At least from my understanding, (which is admittedly limited on this front) the fetich is the primary seat of decision-making in a Primordial, and that's going to be in our human form up until the very moment we ascend, so why move it when it can simply be the last step of the transformation?
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Nov 13, 2022 at 8:18 PM, finished with 69 posts and 10 votes.
[X]Plan Joyful Cessation of Restraint
-[X]Turn 2:
--[X]Full defense
--[X]Shintai Activation: 1 turn of concentration: -2 Essence, -2WP
-[X]Turn 3:
--[X]Attack Action: Attack + Green Nimbus Sun Flare. -1 DC = DC6 + DC1 = DC7: -1 Essence
--[X]Defense Action: Parry. -2 DC = DC4 + DC2 = DC 6.
--[X]STUNT: They were further advanced than we thought were your first, oddly calm thoughts as the naggingly familiar monster began to swarm across the floor towards your party.Wish I'd remembered to bring some cold iron. "Wall up the door, Lydia" you say almost casually as you turn on your heel, letting your father past you as you settle into a stabler stance, the bruising of your shoulder all but forgotten. "Then you and Dad join me if you can." Your full regard settles like a weight on the approaching enemy. "You should not have left your prison, Old One. Demon-Emperor Shintai."
[X]Plan Joyful Cessation of Restraint
-[X]Turn 2: No actions
--[X]Full defense
--[X]Shintai Activation: 1 turn of concentration: -2 Essence, -2WP
-[X]Turn 3: 2 combat actions
--[X]Attack Action: Attack + Green Nimbus Sun Flare. -1 DC = DC6 + DC1 = DC7: -1 Essence
--[X]Defense Action: Parry with Dark Sun. -2 DC = DC4 + DC2 = DC 6.
--[X]STUNT: They were further along than we thought were your first, oddly calm thoughts as the naggingly familiar monster began to swarm across the floor towards your party. Explains why the Reds were stalling.Wish I'd remembered to bring some cold iron. "Wall the door, Lydia" you bark as you aboutface, letting your father past you at notWolverine as you settle into a stabler stance, the bruising of your shoulder all but forgotten. "Then you and Dad join me if you can." Your full regard settles like a weight on the approaching enemy, mental defences shedding its aura like water. "You should not have left your prison, Old One." Your voice is at a normal volume, almost conversational, but somehow you feel everyone in the building can hear your next words as, for a moment, your eyes burn green. "Shintai."
[X] Hold the Line
-[X] Molly remains at the door, stopping the reinforcements from getting into the room where the big fight happens. Play it calm, if too many of them shoot at once take a step back and force them to come closer to the door where you can engage in melee. Do not hold back with the lethal damage.
-[X] Michael and Lydia take on the ancient monster.
-[X] Stunt: Everything inside you screams to fight the beast, wether to purge this thing that does not belong here from the world, or to claim the head of a unique monster as a trophy, all your instincts are in agreement that it should taste your blade. But you are nearly bulletproof and your dad is not. And it seems like most of the staff at this place was carrying, judging be the reinforcements coming down. So you stand your ground and parry the bullets, even as behind you the lights of Amorrachius and Lydia's silver aura overwhelm the tainted green light.
no its not surviving killing mab isn't much of a win if the world is now shit now is it. Unless your an outsider. The literal question is who could possibly beat mab in a 1v1. its not who would mutual and none of the options is a mutual kill.
fairly sure your reading that wrong it means a side wouldn't necessarily win so much as continue existing not that both are guaranteed to continue existing.
Edit: Also yeah I'd need to talk about her armies as you said this is a theoretical 1v1 though I'm just arguing your wrong on your other parts. The 1v1 is almost impossible.
fairly sure your reading that wrong it means a side wouldn't necessarily win so much as continue existing not that both are guaranteed to continue existing.
Edit: Also yeah I'd need to talk about her armies as you said this is a theoretical 1v1 though I'm just arguing your wrong on your other parts. The 1v1 is almost impossible.
The question is "who could hurt Mab" the answer was a list of people with an explicit confirmation that neither side can kill the other with the strong implication that both are severely damaged. There isn't a reading of "neither side ceases to exist" that translates to "actually one side dies, but it really sucks for the winner". The whole point of that qualification is to refute the point you're attempting to make.
Is it literally impossible for either to die in that fight? Probably not. That doesn't that you can extend the technical possibility that it can happen to invert the meaning of the general rule evaluation. It's sort of implied that we discount the "slipped on a banana peel" cases for stuff like this.
The question is "who could hurt Mab" the answer was a list of people with an explicit confirmation that neither side can kill the other with the strong implication that both are severely damaged. There isn't a reading of "neither side ceases to exist" that translates to "actually one side dies, but it really sucks for the winner". The whole point of that qualification is to refute the point you're attempting to make.
Is it literally impossible for either to die in that fight? Probably not. That doesn't that you can extend the technical possibility that it can happen to invert the meaning of the general rule evaluation. It's sort of implied that we discount the "slipped on a banana peel" cases for stuff like this.
no jim is saying that neither side technically so much wins as continues to exist it means if one 'wins' and kills the other they don't really win. Why would jim go into a weird segue way that has nothing to do with the question? Also the other queen being a flip of the coin in your scenario of the wording makes no sense then. Nor does the white court whoever manages to do it gains the queens power. Your reading it wrong.
Edit: Can someone else please tell us their take on this?
no jim is saying that neither side technically so much wins as continues to exist it means if one 'wins' and kills the other they don't really win. Why would jim go into a weird segue way that has nothing to do with the question? Also the other queen being a flip of the coin in your scenario of the wording makes no sense then. Nor does the white court whoever manages to do it gains the queens power. Your reading it wrong.
Pretty much why I said involve others. I don't think yours makes sense why would a neither kills the other scenario result in the theoretical white court win gain the power of said queen. Yeah pin is fine unless someone else says something.
Mostly agree with this, but I think our fetich soul will be made out of the remains of our human vessel when we ascend to full Primordial-hood.
At least from my understanding, (which is admittedly limited on this front) the fetich is the primary seat of decision-making in a Primordial, and that's going to be in our human form up until the very moment we ascend, so why move it when it can simply be the last step of the transformation?
My understanding was that our body would become our humaniform Jouten, i.e., well, our physical humanoid body. Our fetich would be a physical manifestation of our core intimacies or something like that. I could see Splintered Gale Incarnation mutating to allow for this, maybe.
Well, realistically it all starts with turning Lash. Her primary motivation is survival, and she's in the process of developing feelings for Harry. We should encourage those and make her survival independent on corrupting Harry. We should also encourage the feelings of regret concerning her fall, and to make her work on redemption. This all comes to probably getting her out of Harry's head, but keeping her dependent on or at least connected to Harry. A combination of Sapphire Exorcism, Emerald Circle Binding, and Devil-Refining Cauldron could probably turn her into a Sword analog, allowing her an existence that is, in principle, independent of Harry. Since she is, from my understanding, Lasciel's subsoul, changes in Lash could probably affect Lasciel herself.
Anyway, we should start with establishing routes of communications with Lash. And to do that we would need to get Harry to trust our powers more. A lot more. After we get our kingdom, my proposal would be to offer Harry (hell, hire him) to study inside it, to learn what he can learn about it and its inhabitants. After all, we can only spend 5 days there at a time. Harry, if taken there, would be under no such constraint. And he's an investigator. So, get him to learn, and/or guest lecture in the magical academies of our soul (obviously, I am assuming Fiverfold Courts will win), attend university there, pour over ancient tomes in the near infinite libraries and have lovely theological debates with our priests. Get him a tour at least half a year long. It would be good for him, for us, and probably for Lash.
Well, realistically it all starts with turning Lash. Her primary motivation is survival, and she's in the process of developing feelings for Harry. We should encourage those and make her survival independent on corrupting Harry. We should also encourage the feelings of regret concerning her fall, and to make her work on redemption. This all comes to probably getting her out of Harry's head, but keeping her dependent on or at least connected to Harry. A combination of Sapphire Exorcism, Emerald Circle Binding, and Devil-Refining Cauldron could probably turn her into a Sword analog, allowing her an existence that is, in principle, independent of Harry. Since she is, from my understanding, Lasciel's subsoul, changes in Lash could probably affect Lasciel herself.
This seems unrelated and probably unnecessary to the goal of stealing essence from the real Lasciel. It was an IC fluke that it happened in canon, I don't think we can reasonably expect to meddle and recreate the perfect storm of events but better.
This seems unrelated and probably unnecessary to the goal of stealing essence from the real Lasciel. It was an IC fluke that it happened in canon, I don't think we can reasonably expect to meddle and recreate the perfect storm of events but better.
While true, we can't expect to recreate that perfect storm of events, I have two very important things I want out of Lash and Lasciel. In no particular order of importance
1) I want access to angelic charms. ideally, non-fallen angelic charms. i figure that if we redeem her, either she'll open up her charmset to us out of gratitude, or Uriel would be able to swing something.
2) I want to elevate Harry to be able to compete in the world where exalts are starting to walk the Earth again, without resorting to mantles. For that, i think a redeemed free angel Lasciel reforged into a sword would be ideal.
Oh, and I want for Molly to accomplish more than any Knight of the Cross ever did, and redeem at least one fallen. Just out of pure "yes, we can do this" overachievement desire.
That's WoD mages. DF mages are very much not like that. I mean, maybe the original Merlin would count, based on the feat of creating Demonreach. But otherwise - there was a reason Harry needed Winter Knight mantle in Changes, even beyond his injuries. He needs at least that much of a boost, likely more, if he is to stay ahead. Personally, I favor sending him to study in our hell (insert appropriate hell training montage here), and making Lash a true and good companion.
Or breaking open the Black Vault so he finally exalts (which is almost guaranteed).
Dresdenverse mages are more limited in the total scale of effects they can create, like Harry is at the upper end of what wizards can do in terms of raw power, what he lacks vs the Senior council is versatility and finesse (the Blaksstaff of course has more power, but that is because of the ancient artifact).
Vote closed
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 14, 2022 at 10:06 AM, finished with 91 posts and 16 votes.
[X]Plan Joyful Cessation of Restraint
-[X]Turn 2: No actions
--[X]Full defense
--[X]Shintai Activation: 1 turn of concentration: -2 Essence, -2WP
-[X]Turn 3: 2 combat actions
--[X]Attack Action: Attack + Green Nimbus Sun Flare. -1 DC = DC6 + DC1 = DC7: -1 Essence
--[X]Defense Action: Parry with Dark Sun. -2 DC = DC4 + DC2 = DC 6.
--[X]STUNT: They were further along than we thought were your first, oddly calm thoughts as the naggingly familiar monster began to swarm across the floor towards your party. Explains why the Reds were stalling.Wish I'd remembered to bring some cold iron. "Wall the door, Lydia" you bark as you aboutface, letting your father past you at notWolverine as you settle into a stabler stance, the bruising of your shoulder all but forgotten. "Then you and Dad join me if you can." Your full regard settles like a weight on the approaching enemy, mental defences shedding its aura like water. "You should not have left your prison, Old One." Your voice is at a normal volume, almost conversational, but somehow you feel everyone in the building can hear your next words as, for a moment, your eyes burn green. "Shintai."
[X]Plan Joyful Cessation of Restraint
-[X]Turn 2:
--[X]Full defense
--[X]Shintai Activation: 1 turn of concentration: -2 Essence, -2WP
-[X]Turn 3:
--[X]Attack Action: Attack + Green Nimbus Sun Flare. -1 DC = DC6 + DC1 = DC7: -1 Essence
--[X]Defense Action: Parry. -2 DC = DC4 + DC2 = DC 6.
--[X]STUNT: They were further advanced than we thought were your first, oddly calm thoughts as the naggingly familiar monster began to swarm across the floor towards your party.Wish I'd remembered to bring some cold iron. "Wall up the door, Lydia" you say almost casually as you turn on your heel, letting your father past you as you settle into a stabler stance, the bruising of your shoulder all but forgotten. "Then you and Dad join me if you can." Your full regard settles like a weight on the approaching enemy. "You should not have left your prison, Old One. Demon-Emperor Shintai."
[X] Hold the Line
-[X] Molly remains at the door, stopping the reinforcements from getting into the room where the big fight happens. Play it calm, if too many of them shoot at once take a step back and force them to come closer to the door where you can engage in melee. Do not hold back with the lethal damage.
-[X] Michael and Lydia take on the ancient monster.
-[X] Stunt: Everything inside you screams to fight the beast, wether to purge this thing that does not belong here from the world, or to claim the head of a unique monster as a trophy, all your instincts are in agreement that it should taste your blade. But you are nearly bulletproof and your dad is not. And it seems like most of the staff at this place was carrying, judging be the reinforcements coming down. So you stand your ground and parry the bullets, even as behind you the lights of Amorrachius and Lydia's silver aura overwhelm the tainted green light.
Beyond his special "starborn" status / destiny, not much, no. He is very much an example of heroic mortal, and exaltations do run on something approaching narrativium in their selection process.
