Would you Distort or manifest EGO?


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Out of context yes, unlearnable no
Possibility of humanity ensues due to inadvertant light saturation and egos, they won't know what hit them till it's too latr

Yeah, that's what I prefer as a reading for it, one where you begin out of context, and they can learn, but it takes time and as such you are not a little doll that a little girl in the body of a woman who likes to wear fedoras can use to play tea with the false angel that is the most annoying part of the setting.

Anyway, in this kind of context, X is actually pretty strong by Worm normal parahumans standards, actually, here's an interesting thing: Some people in PMAS made calculations of the strength and speed of magical girls according to the fight we see, and they come up with pretty impressive numbers.

Now, we are stronger than most magical girls, who are themselves stronger than most of Worms brutes, so we are something closer to a ramped up Lung, not one completely ramped up, but still had some time to, than to someone like, I don't know, Alabaster, the guy who is only a Brute because he reset every 4.3 seconds. If we decide to Alpha strike Lung? No contest, we win, especially if we go for the kill, he begins as a Brute 3, *can be taken out by normies with training*.

One of our biggest advantage though is our mover rating, see, Worm hates speedster and nerf almost all of those we see to the ground, just think of velocity, he can go fast, yes, he can even punch you at super speed... and he punch with the same strength as a unathletic toddler when he does so and he can't use tools because he can't wear anything that weight more than a feather. In contrast, we can strike at anime speed, and we do so with actually Brute level Strength, compared to most parahumans, we can demolish them without even trying, they are mostly base human when it comes to reflexes, no way they can block us. The exceptions like Crawler or Siberians can be a problem, though in these cases, we can still flee them no problem, they aren't fast compared to us, and when it comes to Crawler in particular, we have Pale damage, don't think he resist that, so we can kill him.
 
[X] (Operation) Mention she'll be asleep for at least a few hours after the operation, and likely longer. We can try to awaken you afterwards, but that may not be possible. Continue if she's fine with that.
-[X] In fact, since it's your EGO, can you take away the falling asleep part?
[X] (Soul Gems) The Truth
-[X] Focus on more practical things. Why do girls have to protect Gem at all costs, don't get too far away from them, that it gives them better body control, and that it's much harder for them to die.
--[X]That's no reason to overuse the last part, though.
 
Yeah, that's what I prefer as a reading for it, one where you begin out of context, and they can learn, but it takes time and as such you are not a little doll that a little girl in the body of a woman who likes to wear fedoras can use to play tea with the false angel that is the most annoying part of the setting.

Anyway, in this kind of context, X is actually pretty strong by Worm normal parahumans standards, actually, here's an interesting thing: Some people in PMAS made calculations of the strength and speed of magical girls according to the fight we see, and they come up with pretty impressive numbers.

Now, we are stronger than most magical girls, who are themselves stronger than most of Worms brutes, so we are something closer to a ramped up Lung, not one completely ramped up, but still had some time to, than to someone like, I don't know, Alabaster, the guy who is only a Brute because he reset every 4.3 seconds. If we decide to Alpha strike Lung? No contest, we win, especially if we go for the kill, he begins as a Brute 3, *can be taken out by normies with training*.

One of our biggest advantage though is our mover rating, see, Worm hates speedster and nerf almost all of those we see to the ground, just think of velocity, he can go fast, yes, he can even punch you at super speed... and he punch with the same strength as a unathletic toddler when he does so and he can't use tools because he can't wear anything that weight more than a feather. In contrast, we can strike at anime speed, and we do so with actually Brute level Strength, compared to most parahumans, we can demolish them without even trying, they are mostly base human when it comes to reflexes, no way they can block us. The exceptions like Crawler or Siberians can be a problem, though in these cases, we can still flee them no problem, they aren't fast compared to us, and when it comes to Crawler in particular, we have Pale damage, don't think he resist that, so we can kill him.
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Oh dear I just imagined crawlers shard discovering white, black, and pale damage
What mutations that could cause would be interesting

I can just imagine the shards just trying to figure out abnormalities and dealing with ensuing oddness
Imagine say tattle tale with the researchers notes
So many ideas so little time
 
Only if it is not used, considering tattles power she's basically doing constant research
May even lighten the load so to speak
 
More likely red since its attacking her body
White is pure mind damage a trigger event would do white damage
Shards however have few methods of pulling white damage off and primarily use red damage means esoteric as the effects are
Gallant and glory girl could inflict white damage though
If it affects the mind its white if its the body then red simple delineation I find
 
We still need to let them SEE what it is that we do to them though.

That's the whole point of the vote. To let them UNDERSTAND what it is that Lobotomy TRULY is.

Doctor-patient confidentiality applies when you actually KNOW what it is that the doctor will do. X is literally springing your mind open and playing connect-dot with it.

At the very least, this is an opportunity to show them what it is that X does. That's the point of the vote.
Well, to show everyone but Sayaka, I guess. She's just collateral damage, I suppose.

I can understand the thought process in wanting outside observers to witness Lobotomy to gain data on X, but I completely disagree with any idea that this is for the benefit of the girls, it's basically offering up one of them as a sacrificial lamb to have her secrets laid out publicly (when her consent was given before this detail was provided) to get a data point on X. I'd also take issue with the idea of doctor-patient confidentiality requiring that - like, sure, maybe ideally. But say I'm getting brain surgery, maybe I understand what's happening on a very broad scale but I'm also not a neuroscientist and am not likely going to truly understand what's happening on a detailed level - the neurosurgeon is the one who got the years of education and training for that, not me.

Only Lobotomy has a much more psychological bent to it, so it's almost like sitting in on someone's therapy session on the rationale that you need to do so to understand what therapy entails rather than have the doctor give their best good faith explanation and I'm just not comfortable with that.

Now, if you want to argue that it's more important we get a third-party observation of Lobotomy to figure out X, again, I can understand that thought process but I just don't when it comes to looking at it from the perspective of Sayaka and the other girls.
 
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Are we sure doing that would be safe? What if they start taking white damage or make the job of reinforcing their mind more difficult?

That's why it was formulated as a question. Since this is her EGO equipment, X will most likely figure out if this is the case and leave things as they are. And even if it is not, she will probably be able to react if something goes wrong.

[X] (Add-Ons) Aside from the truth regarding Witches, also mention the (relevant) information about Soul Gems, Grief and Magic you got from Kyubey from the deal

I'm a little unsure what else X can tell them if she decides to keep quiet about the Witches right now. Is it about Kyubey using Magical Girls to overcome Entropy? Well, why not.

Yeah, that's what I prefer as a reading for it, one where you begin out of context, and they can learn, but it takes time and as such you are not a little doll that a little girl in the body of a woman who likes to wear fedoras can use to play tea with the false angel that is the most annoying part of the setting.

As far as I remember, the bottom line is that Entities are not capable or almost not capable of learning - that's why they need Cycles.
...This is not the most thoughtful part of the Worm.
 
so it's almost like sitting in on someone's therapy session on the rationale that you need to do so
Yeah, unfortunately that is what changed my vote: The reasoning in the other option does not really have the girls' benefits in mind

If we really want to find an external observer for Lobotomy, bring Homura along for Grief Seed Experiments?

E:
I'm a little unsure what else X can tell them if she decides to keep quiet about the Witches right now.
Let's find out then (I do also want to know what QB said if anything that didn't work with Witch reversal, but that's not going to come out here)
 
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Edit: I voted without rally looking at people add-on, So I found a plan I like more vote changed.


[X] (Operation) Mention she'll be asleep for at least a few hours after the operation, and likely longer. We can try to awaken you afterward, but that may not be possible. Continue if she's fine with that.
-[X] In fact, since it's your EGO, can you take away the falling asleep part?
[X] (Soul Gems) The Truth
-[X] Focus on more practical things. Why do girls have to protect Gem at all costs, don't get too far away from them, that it gives them better body control, and that it's much harder for them to die.
--[X]That's no reason to overuse the last part, though.
 
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Lobotomy, bring Homura along for Grief Seed Experiments?
Nope.

We are doing it here. On a magical girl right now.

Again. This is the point of the vote. Show all of them what it is that we do, and to also know what we truly do.

If Sayaka is uncomfortable about this. Let the invasion of privacy be her lesson on why putting up a brave front and burying her insecurities is a dumb idea, instead of dying because she wanted to be brave.
 
You can hear the uncertainty in her words, though there is a resolute quality to them as well.
Let the invasion of privacy be her lesson on why putting up a brave front and burying her insecurities is a dumb idea, instead of dying because she wanted to be brave.
Hmmmmmm, have a vote tally first (man, sorting the thing for easier understanding doesn't seem to work)

Adhoc vote count started by Lurker183839 on Nov 11, 2022 at 11:18 PM, finished with 70 posts and 26 votes.

Looks like a slum dunk to me already
(Btw, for those who vote because you want the lesson to go through, I'm pretty sure giving her another chance to back down and her refusing is important for it to stick)
 
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I don't expect this to change anything, but I hate the write-in on telling them about Soul Gems. I've never bought into the idea that a small shiny weakspot you don't instinctual defend is better then just having the human weak spots you know about, and from NTs interlude how much it helps anything is extremely questionable. Plus it reeks of desperation.

Just stay out of it and let X deal with the potential issues as they come. She's good with people and is in the situation, she can handle it.
 
I've never bought into the idea that a small shiny weakspot you don't instinctual defend is better then just having the human weak spots you know about
I think the idea is that it's not something instinctively targeted either (unless your opponent is an Abnormality) and is somewhat resistant to indirect attacks, indirectly increasing their survival rate (esp in MG-MG combat)
 
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I think the idea is that it's not something instinctively targeted either (unless your opponent is an Abnormality) and is somewhat resistant to indirect attacks, indirectly increasing their survival rate (esp in MG-MG combat)
Most people don't have a specific target area to attack beyond the face, which is still effective in disabling an MG because that's where most of your senses are.

That's somewhat besides the point though. Focusing on a pragmatic argument is only going to work on someone that's very focused on the practical. The only person that argument is going to appeal is Homura, who already knows. Kyoko won't care at all because she also knows, because something has told her. For everyone else this is much more of an emotional issue. Mami would care far more about still being accepted by X, for example.

It's a pointless argument that won't matter to the people that would actually learn something new.
 
It'll be fine. X's autopilot will kick in if she thinks it's not the time to bring it up yet.

Shes's not the type to pile dive everything at once and actually has some tack in socializing.
 
Focusing on a pragmatic argument
So, you prefer the autopilot then? (Part of the reason why I voted to tell is because the Ahnormalities we know all know to target the Soil Gem, so they at least need to know to protect it as well)
Or perhaps you have some other line of argument to suggest?

X's autopilot will kick in if she thinks it's not the time to bring it up yet.
...aren't we overriding the autopilot with this vote? (Not that I think we shouldn't do this)
 
...aren't we overriding the autopilot with this vote? (Not that I think we shouldn't do this)
Nope. The vote is meant to say that X WILL include it in her list of advice regarding soul gems.

It doesn't specify HOW she will deliver it.

Just because we will focus on practicality doesn't mean that X will ignore all the emotional parts either, it's just that she won't lay too heavily on it.
 
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Nope. The vote is meant to say that X WILL include it in her list of advice regarding soul gems.

It doesn't specify HOW she will deliver it.

Just because we will focus on practicality doesn't mean that X will ignore all the emotional parts either, it's just that she won't lay too heavily on it.
Then you should make that very explicit, because that's not my interpretation of this vote.
 
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