“Human Resources” Shouldn’t Be This Literal: A PMMM/ProjectMoon Quest
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Dybbukpossesed
Falling Somewhere
- Location
- California
[X] Plan Everything v1.3
[X] Plan Everything v1.3
-[X] Abnormalities
-[X] Yourself & EGO Gifts
-[X] Soul Gems - link to past Abnormality observations and existence of Soul damage attacks, and that it may not be their actual Soul
-[X] Prepwork for Witch Bomb reveal in the future
Yeah, I'm not sure about the witchbomb right here, especially right after dropping everything else on them, like Soul Gems. I was in favor of it for Madoka and Homura because Homura already knew and Madoka wasn't a MG but I'm worried this might be a bit much for Sayaka and Mami. Mami might be okay because of X and Yuma but I don't know if we know enough about Sayaka's state of mind to predict her reaction.
-[X] Abnormalities
-[X] Yourself & EGO Gifts
-[X] Soul Gems - link to past Abnormality observations and existence of Soul damage attacks, and that it may not be their actual Soul
-[X] Prepwork for Witch Bomb reveal in the future
Yeah, I'm not sure about the witchbomb right here, especially right after dropping everything else on them, like Soul Gems. I was in favor of it for Madoka and Homura because Homura already knew and Madoka wasn't a MG but I'm worried this might be a bit much for Sayaka and Mami. Mami might be okay because of X and Yuma but I don't know if we know enough about Sayaka's state of mind to predict her reaction.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
Actually incorrect. X might not need to sleep, but she only has so much energy at one time.
This was just Big Bird. Assuming Homura doesn't need sleep is also a massive point of failure based on nothing but an assumption, as is how many grief seeds she has. Confirm those things before declaring such a plan of action as the correct way forward.
Eternal 0bserver has always been willing to talk, they'd just rather have a back up plan in the not unlikely event the situation deteriorates into violence. You need to stop saying anything but talk is hopeless and social is the only way. Going into this with only one plan is dangerous and could very easily get someone killed.
If this can be peacefully resolved, great, 10/10 would do again.
In case of it not being peacefully resolved, and it being determined that we cannot just burst it down, the best play is probably focus on status ailments like burn, bleed, feeble, paralysis, ect, and using time stop to flicker people out of the way of attacks. it's attacks are single target, just punishing to get hit by.
In case of it not being peacefully resolved, and it being determined that we cannot just burst it down, the best play is probably focus on status ailments like burn, bleed, feeble, paralysis, ect, and using time stop to flicker people out of the way of attacks. it's attacks are single target, just punishing to get hit by.
Kalibrius
God of reflection
- Location
- The other side of the mirror
That is understandable though the backup plan I'd recommend is tactical retreat unfortunately
X as they to put it in gamer lingo and bluntly, is an underleveled black mage against a max level warrior
It's pretty much a 5 against 50 so to speak
Aleph could probably deal with Nothing should come to blows but by that measure we'd have already lost too much
Anyone who has done the floor of language realization would be aporeciated if only for tactical assistance
X as they to put it in gamer lingo and bluntly, is an underleveled black mage against a max level warrior
It's pretty much a 5 against 50 so to speak
Aleph could probably deal with Nothing should come to blows but by that measure we'd have already lost too much
Anyone who has done the floor of language realization would be aporeciated if only for tactical assistance
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[X] First topic:
[X] Abnormalities
[X] Abnormalities
Since we don't have Kali's or Mountain's EGO (Absorption + some form of combat heal), I recommend getting Magic Bullet, as always.
As a secondary plan, I suggest escape, or maybe making peace with letting out Aleph and any consequences from that, and as a last resort there is dying.
We don't have gigaburn or cheese EGO combos, Qliphoth Deterrence isn't up...
Maybe we could see if we can actually project some Qliphoth Deterrence? If we are basically carrying around the facility anyway...?
I mean, if we're working with all the functions the facility has, we might get a funny one use shot of "deal an absolute shit ton of damage to NT." to the tune of 10k Red damage, presumably of pierce flavor for ruina's damage types.
Eternal Observer maybe, Questioningmeme however... they're constantly calling her a thing and an it.
I do have a plan if it turns into a fight with her: Flee, flee as fast as we can, we cannot win.
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Also, a very big part of my frustration is due to the fact that everytime she ends up in conversations, it ends up being about how to fight her, never on how to negotiate, there is such a thing as having a mindset going into a conversation, and if all our plans are about fights, our mindset is not going to be productive to negotiating.
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Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
So do I. And until it expresses a preferred pronoun and stops torturing kids, I will continue to call it an it.
Then I suggest coming up with something. So far my plan is hoping it goes right to being a Sapling when we get close enough, because I have no idea how to talk to it.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Act like a shady person and offer her
Eternal_0bserver
(Unverified Bookworm)
- Location
- Earth, Northern Europe
I do this mainly to emphasize that NT thought patterns are something we shouldn't make assumptions about. I have no particular animosity towards this Abnormality, despite the horror we have witnessed.
I can avoid using pronouns if it bothers you, just like I usually do for every single Kyubei.
And let's not discuss again the feasibility of considering combat scenarios in our interaction with NT. We already had this discussion, and none of the participants changed their minds.
In general, it is good if there is no battle, and very bad if it happens. I think we all agree on this.
Act like a shady person and offer herCandya way to learn to be more human
As funny as it sounds, it's probably the best option we have so far. And it's frankly worrisome.
Lurker183839
Question Machine Gun
1: Regarding MGs and Sleep
2: Timestop duration
Also, if the QM decides that Homura has a hardcap on Timestop total length, spending a few days on NT...... (Not impossible Homura would flat out refuse, citing it as Somebody Else's Problem for now)
3: Kyubey
Well, the bit about getting them not to contract isn't existent anymore, the only major thing left is to guard against it deciding to break things down so that Madoka is willing to Contract, right?
I do agree with mentioning that Kyubey's objectives are not your own, and although it tells the truth it can twist it towards its own end; but we need to counterbalance it by saying that we also made a deal with it - within the above constraints there's no harm in listening to it so long as you think for yourself and consult the others on particularly stunning stuff (even if you don't feel like it)
I don't mind adding it to my own plan, but where? It does feel weird to add this into a meeting for the purpose of discussing Abbormalities - feels like (is) taking the time where QB is not around to slander it, and may be treated accordingly.
Try that after we drop the Witch Bomb, perhaps?
When all is said and done: The capability to manipulate and make things worse does not mean it will use it, we should take advantage of its other capabilities and attempt to discern when the former is in play.
Like, viewing QB as an enemy is also something that can be used to manipulate if required, you know (State true information, use the perception of yourself to make the other party ignore said true information)? And also the tiny bit of QB literally offering something they can't get with any means that they know of, it's not worth fighting that battle needlessly
Trust, but Verify is the best thing that we can attempt to do regarding QB, along with provide a Support Network if things come to that
4: NT
I imagine the reason of combat being discussed more is simply because that's the only thing that we can meaningfully work on with current information (well, like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic)- we don't know what NT wants from its debut yet, nor have a replicable way of making it more human, and yet our bottom line of removing the MGs is very much attacking NT's too.
Like, unless we are willing to Repress our own attitudes regarding MGs the discussion is going to implode very quickly due to imbalance of terms and requests....
I guess we could hope NT gets a Gift and causes it to implode hahahaha...
In this universe they still need it, unlike X
2: Timestop duration
Since Homura is unlikely to be holding back here, it is a safe assumption that 1 Grief Seed = A few minutes of Timestop, or less - Days would be impossible this early in the timeline, Homura is still mostly present this timeline
Also, if the QM decides that Homura has a hardcap on Timestop total length, spending a few days on NT...... (Not impossible Homura would flat out refuse, citing it as Somebody Else's Problem for now)
3: Kyubey
Well, the bit about getting them not to contract isn't existent anymore, the only major thing left is to guard against it deciding to break things down so that Madoka is willing to Contract, right?
I do agree with mentioning that Kyubey's objectives are not your own, and although it tells the truth it can twist it towards its own end; but we need to counterbalance it by saying that we also made a deal with it - within the above constraints there's no harm in listening to it so long as you think for yourself and consult the others on particularly stunning stuff (even if you don't feel like it)
I don't mind adding it to my own plan, but where? It does feel weird to add this into a meeting for the purpose of discussing Abbormalities - feels like (is) taking the time where QB is not around to slander it, and may be treated accordingly.
Try that after we drop the Witch Bomb, perhaps?
When all is said and done: The capability to manipulate and make things worse does not mean it will use it, we should take advantage of its other capabilities and attempt to discern when the former is in play.
Like, viewing QB as an enemy is also something that can be used to manipulate if required, you know (State true information, use the perception of yourself to make the other party ignore said true information)? And also the tiny bit of QB literally offering something they can't get with any means that they know of, it's not worth fighting that battle needlessly
Trust, but Verify is the best thing that we can attempt to do regarding QB, along with provide a Support Network if things come to that
4: NT
I imagine the reason of combat being discussed more is simply because that's the only thing that we can meaningfully work on with current information (well, like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic)- we don't know what NT wants from its debut yet, nor have a replicable way of making it more human, and yet our bottom line of removing the MGs is very much attacking NT's too.
Like, unless we are willing to Repress our own attitudes regarding MGs the discussion is going to implode very quickly due to imbalance of terms and requests....
I guess we could hope NT gets a Gift and causes it to implode hahahaha...
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Gun and Powder
Tax Evader the Arknight Operator
- Location
- W.Corp Train
- Pronouns
- He/They
I think I know what event you're talking about but I'm pretty sure he used the Wrap Train which is the fastest method of travel in the city.
On another note. I don't have much to add beside like having faith in the girls. Not in panicking but in like being able to get through it. X is here to help them after all, someone who can shed a different light to their situation compared to canon.
questioningmeme
Just be yourself
- Location
- River of Light
There have been...suggestions around here that Nothing There is in a direct collision course with the Adult. In my personal opinion, if it comes to choosing between the two, we should choose Nothing There.
Mainly because I don't know if X should trust the Adult who Lies, and also because Nothing There is infinitely more likely to be our friend if we help it out.
This is the "best" combat plan we have ironically enough. I don't see how we will win against any of the two if we are forced to fight them head-on.
Although saying that. Fighting against the Adult is even MORE suicidal than fighting against Nothing There.
It's a very situational scenario, and I don't think we can tackle it unless we know exactly what will happen.
He is THAT fast. A Colour is basically anime-level fast. They can traverse a city block in a single step.
Mainly because I don't know if X should trust the Adult who Lies, and also because Nothing There is infinitely more likely to be our friend if we help it out.
This is the "best" combat plan we have ironically enough. I don't see how we will win against any of the two if we are forced to fight them head-on.
Although saying that. Fighting against the Adult is even MORE suicidal than fighting against Nothing There.
There isn't much we can do about this. The most is using Sound of a Star to try and disable all of them. Or to do what Nothing There did and immediately use a wide-scale Lobotomy to stop all of them at once.
It's a very situational scenario, and I don't think we can tackle it unless we know exactly what will happen.
He does once. The Warp Trains employees mentioned him when they said that "A Colour once used these trains". Most of the time nowadays, Roland just uses his legs to move around. And yes.
He is THAT fast. A Colour is basically anime-level fast. They can traverse a city block in a single step.
Kalibrius
God of reflection
- Location
- The other side of the mirror
One thing at a time
We have manage to get Nothing to be diplomatic and willing or that plan will go nowhere fast.... or be ready mercy kill the likely light mutated witches
Those soul gems are probably light saturated at this point which is very...... unpredictable in terms of results of what will issue forth
Afterall we have only seen corporeal beings with light saturation not souls with it
We may want to prepare fir a prolonged altercation or one that we are ill prepared for
Nothing there might even be able to manifest doppels which is not good
And assuming the element triangle from magia record is bupkiss
We may have to deal with an uber witch that's receptive to light and possibly some normal witches that couldn't be saturated by light for dark affinities or possibly something..... awful that isn't or greif, with middling results being most common
Or something akin to abnormalities or distortions
And if the adult comes into play
Trust nothing they say even if it's true, do not accept any gifts, assume fae etiquette or faustian bargain rules are in play
And hope to the lords above and below an altercation involving either doesn't occur because they are close to their zenith and X is closer to nadir unfortunately in comparison, meaning if we fight them head on we lose, we fight them and it will result in unacceptable loses and we'll have to reset, they fight eachother we may not have mitakihara to mourn in the aftermath
We have manage to get Nothing to be diplomatic and willing or that plan will go nowhere fast.... or be ready mercy kill the likely light mutated witches
Those soul gems are probably light saturated at this point which is very...... unpredictable in terms of results of what will issue forth
Afterall we have only seen corporeal beings with light saturation not souls with it
We may want to prepare fir a prolonged altercation or one that we are ill prepared for
Nothing there might even be able to manifest doppels which is not good
And assuming the element triangle from magia record is bupkiss
We may have to deal with an uber witch that's receptive to light and possibly some normal witches that couldn't be saturated by light for dark affinities or possibly something..... awful that isn't or greif, with middling results being most common
Or something akin to abnormalities or distortions
And if the adult comes into play
Trust nothing they say even if it's true, do not accept any gifts, assume fae etiquette or faustian bargain rules are in play
And hope to the lords above and below an altercation involving either doesn't occur because they are close to their zenith and X is closer to nadir unfortunately in comparison, meaning if we fight them head on we lose, we fight them and it will result in unacceptable loses and we'll have to reset, they fight eachother we may not have mitakihara to mourn in the aftermath
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- Location
- earth
[X] Plan Everything v1.3
-[X] Abnormalities
-[X] Yourself & EGO Gifts
-[X] Soul Gems - link to past Abnormality observations and existence of Soul damage attacks, and that it may not be their actual Soul
-[X] Prepwork for Witch Bomb reveal in the future
-[X] Abnormalities
-[X] Yourself & EGO Gifts
-[X] Soul Gems - link to past Abnormality observations and existence of Soul damage attacks, and that it may not be their actual Soul
-[X] Prepwork for Witch Bomb reveal in the future
Lurker183839
Question Machine Gun
Some vote merging done, anyone want to try and argue more add more discussion? Or are we already in glue horse territory with these topics?
questioningmeme
Just be yourself
- Location
- River of Light
It's all up to the storm that is approaching now.
We already said all we can.
We already said all we can.
I did, everytime I try to make a discussion about negotiating, everyone goes right the heck back to *how to fight*, just look at the last comments if you don't believe me: the ones closest to discussing it immediately say we can't discuss it and drop the subject. THAT'S what makes me mad, we CAN discuss it, I DID come up with ideas and I'd like to have a discussion about them instead of an Nieme debate on how to fight.
As for what I think we can discuss:
As I said earlier, this part:
Don't really shows NT as sadistic so much as it shows NT enjoying the fact that NT's hearing people, and that NT doesn't even understand that some could think of it as *bad*. Thing is, NT wants to be human above all else, and idolize us, as shown by this:
Meaning that if we promise NT to explain how to be more human, and that what NT's doing is not something humans tends to consider *good*, there's a pretty good chance NT'll listen.
From there, we can begin to talk about other things related to this, like the fact that we do seem to have a way to look human without going for the *made of human* part with our EGO and that it should be worth a try to see if NT can learn how to do it.
We can also explain that being human is less about look and more about mindset, and NT could learn more about said mindset with a teacher, like us.
Also, and this is extremely important, while it is most likely that the time we felt several magical girls who were seemingly in horrible agony was due to NT's shell, we have no direct confirmation of this. It is not impossible, even if unlikely, that this was done by another abnormality and as such, for all we know, the MG that NT use might not be in constant agony. We should check that before accusing NT of inflicting fate worse than deaths and other nonsense.
Ok, continuing from if the magical girls are in horrible agony (because it unfortunately is the most likely case):
So, this is likely to be the sticking point, however, we do have definitive proof that NT think we are a kind person, and that NT trust us implicitly, NT's attitude is more likely to be one of a child showing you something they did and asking if we are proud of them than one of a serial killer showing you how they killed your family and reveling in your anguish about it. If we explain things in a non violent way, without constantly going for calling NT an *abomination* or a *monster* or worse *inhumane* (seriously, this term is forbidden in a radius of several kilometers around NT, it is probably one of the biggest triggers for a fight we could ever press) then we can begin negotiating in earnest and ask NT questions, like:
What is NT preferred pronoun? (Thanks to @Eternal_0bserver for reminding me of this, it can make a nice segway in humanizing NT and it's a very non agressive beginning)
Can NT maintain NT current shell without keeping the gems?
If NT can't, what would make NT willing to part with them? No, *others gems to replace these ones* is not an answer, the goal is to substitute them for a better situation.
And that's just some ideas I have, the conversation branch too much from there for me to go in depths right now, this post is not short already.
As a conclusion, I want to empathize what I said about mindsets:
The problem I have with the current attitude is that it is agressive and/or pessimistic, always talking about the fight and not how to avert it, yes fighting is plan B, but it is plan B, not plan A, if we enter the discussion with only ideas on how to win a fight in our head, we are more likely to let something slip and ends up with said fight, which we are all agreeing is not what we want because NT is a very intimidating opponent to fight.
We should treat the situation as if we were facing a young child with a deadman switch paired with a nuclear detonator who is currently playing on the border of the roof of a skyscraper, not as if we were going to face Hannibal Lecter, NT's mindset seems closer to the first than the second.
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Kalibrius
God of reflection
- Location
- The other side of the mirror
You got my vote when it comes up Nyark
I am an anti nihilist with a subconscious cynical streak but even I know where the greatest odds lay
And now the best horse to bet on is Attachement negotiation of a human psychological bent
I am an anti nihilist with a subconscious cynical streak but even I know where the greatest odds lay
And now the best horse to bet on is Attachement negotiation of a human psychological bent
kaillll
Judgment Upon You
While I do support having a fight plan prepared, I agree with everything you said, Best way to deal with abnormality is just follow their rules and what they like and not endless aggression and beat them into the ground.
Nothing there is a very easily tamed beast if you know how to do it, but once it goes wild it goes wild. So please don't just: Okay, we have a gun, let's shoot the mother fucker.
That will go bad in so many directions, that I don't even want to count them all.
Nothing there is a very easily tamed beast if you know how to do it, but once it goes wild it goes wild. So please don't just: Okay, we have a gun, let's shoot the mother fucker.
That will go bad in so many directions, that I don't even want to count them all.