Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Current tally: 1 vote difference between top 2

uju32 said:

Its potentially as good. Just not better.

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I misremembered the mechanics, actually. My bad.

[X] All things made Easy

I did some cleaning up of my earlier vote post to get rid of plans that didn't get momentum and add primate murder to it.

Fluff wise for demonic primacy of essence, would Molly be projecting her aura harder when around weaker creatures of darkness or constantly emitting a presence that stronger things simply shrug off?

I ask because Harry's reaction to Molly next time he see her could be very funny if she somehow went from archdevil to ARCHDEVIL to magical senses literally overnight even if he isn't the target audience of the charm.

[X] All things made Easy

This was not an easy decision at all. I really, REALLY wanted the Cyber Demons but ultimately felt that Boiling Sea Mastery was more important and much more broadly applicable.

I will keep an eye on the arguments and change accordingly.

uju32 said:

And HMP is so far the only thing we've used Technology for. We'll need it higher when we get into the Last Station renovation, but that will take at least two months, which is plenty of time to buy a second dot.

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These are all very good points. One of the things I wanma do though is build technological items more. Which... with our technology score, no matter how well we roll we just don't have that broad of knowledge of it. Something we COULD talk to our brother about.

And fair point on the optional rule backgrounds thing.

It seems weird to me? But DP was fairly clear on it.

As for the government spooks... eh. They seem to be more Mook tier at the moment.

BronzeTongue said:

Fluff wise for demonic primacy of essence, would Molly be projecting her aura harder when around weaker creatures of darkness or constantly emitting a presence that stronger things simply shrug off?

I ask because Harry's reaction to Molly next time he see her could be very funny if she somehow went from archdevil to ARCHDEVIL to magical senses literally overnight even if he isn't the target audience of the charm.

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Only says that it makes weaker CoD more vulnerable social-fu, so probably be something only CoD would notice.

BronzeTongue said:

Fluff wise for demonic primacy of essence, would Molly be projecting her aura harder when around weaker creatures of darkness or constantly emitting a presence that stronger things simply shrug off?

I ask because Harry's reaction to Molly next time he see her could be very funny if she somehow went from archdevil to ARCHDEVIL to magical senses literally overnight even if he isn't the target audience of the charm.

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Its merely asserting the rightful order of the universe, with Infernals on top, and I guess other people can be granted the mercy of being a servant.

BronzeTongue said:

Fluff wise for demonic primacy of essence, would Molly be projecting her aura harder when around weaker creatures of darkness or constantly emitting a presence that stronger things simply shrug off?

I ask because Harry's reaction to Molly next time he see her could be very funny if she somehow went from archdevil to ARCHDEVIL to magical senses literally overnight even if he isn't the target audience of the charm.

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I personally would prefer the second one, as you noticed it would take the funniest reaction out of Harry.

But in my opinion what charm really does is lower the threshold for people/beings to perceive what Molly is, making it easier for the weaker CoD to feel it. That's because we already give the impression of an Archdevil and the scale of worse things doesn't go very far before it hits Demon Emperor (which will only happen when the world is destroyed).

Taking the common charms from the winning votes we get this right after we triggered our shintai for the first time.

Demonic Primacy of Essence (•) The Infernal garbs herself in hellish authority; all lesser wicked things are like writhing worms or mere grains of sand cast before her, and instinctively recognize this imbalance.
Source: Our "Crown of ruin and glory" that marks us as a Demon Royal.

Scar-Writ Saga Shield (•) The Infernal scribes a litany of the pain and hardships she has endured upon her heart and her very bones, fortifying her flesh against harm.
Ox-Body Tecchnique (•) The Infernal's flesh is fortified with the power to survive the very tortures of Hell.
Source: Our +4 Soak and the fluff where our pathetic flesh is replaced with brass and basalt.

By Rage Recast (••) The Infernal's resentment and anger manifests itself within her flesh, granting her demonic features.
Source: It outright says that it is a shintai feature.

Viridian Legend Exoskeleton (••) The Infernal calls forth the shattered masonry and brazen decorations of Lanka and forges them into armor which adorns her flesh like a second skin. Ancient demonic script glows faintly upon this shell, incoherently attempting to speak of the glories of the Demon City.
Source: Our Demon form is literally clad in an Armor made from Basalt and Brass and has faint glowing green scripts. So this would literally be us summoning our shintai armor.

So yeah, people are going to make....assumptions and not necessarily bad ones too.

Huh it really is kinda just like summoning our shintai form again isn't it?

[X] Plan Primate Murder

I remembered Gard gave us Odin's Business card at the start of all this.

So our obligations/people to interact with list is AFAIK, Porter/Mab/Odin/Find ways to help Rosie

[X] Plan: Kick a Fallen Angel

Have we ever got word from qm whether school will be useful for anything like exp towards academics or technology or discounts?

DragonParadox said:

[] Wicked City Charm: Hollow Mind Possession (••): Invest a dark spirit in a into a smart device within line of sight, awakening it into an AI subject of your power within the limits of the device. Can be permanent with enough successes 4 XP

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I thought we already had this to make Clippy?

mastigos said:

I thought we already had this to make Clippy?

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Copypasted from earlier vote

[X] All things made Easy

Votes tied. People may want to vote for only one of the winning option.

It looks like All Things made easy is in the lead by 1. I used manage votes to consolidate the votes because apparently people can do that on tallies they didn't post?

Emerald Binding would be nice too. Have some spirit allies that can help in a fight and more relevantly, spy for us.
They can also play appropriate mood music for when Molly fights.

As a Green Sun Princess, Molly is entitled to her own boss theme.


Verdant Emptiness Endowment is also very useful.

Susan and the whole Society of Saint Giles or what it is called? Are probably constantly praying for Willpower and Integrity to hold off the curse.

Nevermind everyone else that needs power. Molly can provide it at reasonable rates and a very forgiving payment plan.

[X] Plan Subaquatic Supremacy

[X] All things made Easy

Yzarc said:

[X] All things made Easy

This was not an easy decision at all. I really, REALLY wanted the Cyber Demons but ultimately felt that Boiling Sea Mastery was more important and much more broadly applicable.
I will keep an eye on the arguments and change accordingly.

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1)Speaking as the person who was advocating for it earlier?

I feel I must point out just how situational Boiling Sea Mastery is outside combat, where anything goes.
There arent many situations where its acceptable to pour anywhere from a bottle to a bucketful of water or other liquid over our head and walk around soaking wet.

Its broad applicability is a little exaggerated.
Especially since we are going on a roadtrip with Michael away from the Great Lakes and all the water here.

2)I will point out just how pivotal information superiority has been to us in the last arc, and how Cyberdevils 2 would improve that.
In uncovering surveillance evidence. In tracking a person in a building with security cameras.
In running a car's license plate through police records, or hacking ownership records for a property or business.

Even to keep an eye on Lydia's legal situation so we can intervene if necessary before things escalate.
All in all, it synergizes a lot with Crown of Eyes.

3)Also worth recalling that we regenerate Essence from discovering the secrets of others.
And being able to access the contents of people's private communications also applies to uncovering secrets
Which makes our Cyberdevils pull double duty .

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zxzx24 said:

These are all very good points. One of the things I wanma do though is build technological items more. Which... with our technology score, no matter how well we roll we just don't have that broad of knowledge of it. Something we COULD talk to our brother about.

And fair point on the optional rule backgrounds thing. It seems weird to me? But DP was fairly clear on it.

As for the government spooks... eh. They seem to be more Mook tier at the moment.

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1)Three points
-As @bengalqueen pointed out, a Tech Excellency does the work a lot better.
-Most crafting is done with Crafting
-We dont have the Resources for expensive crafting and wont until November. Thats why we havent customized our phone.
-We are going on a fieldtrip with Michael. No time for sitting at home making stuff atm.

2)Their personal puissance doesnt matter.
Who they represent does. If a ton of Daedalus Group agents blunder into something supernatural and get slaughtered, we'll be crawling in Feds for the next two years outting their noses in everything.

In addition, its worth pointing out that we literally had to use magic to send them out of the museum so we wouldnt have to deal with either them getting slaughtered or shooting us in the back. And that gave Kattrin et al enough warning that we walked into the hall and ate cannon fire.

3)They are also entirely capable of complicating our lives in other ways.
The last time Feds got involved in the supernatural in Dresdenverse canon, we had the FBI hexenwulfen case in Fool Moon where they unleashed a rampant loup garou on Chicago and got a lot of people killed, including Murphy's old partner.

The last time the US natsec apparatus in this quest got interested in the supernatural, they fucked up so badly that Knights of the Cross had to get involved in the cleanup.
There are very good reasons to keep an eye on them and their activity by hacking all their electronics.

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DakkaMania said:

Emerald Binding would be nice too. Have some spirit allies that can help in a fight and more relevantly, spy for us.
They can also play appropriate mood music for when Molly fights.
As a Green Sun Princess, Molly is entitled to her own boss theme.

Verdant Emptiness Endowment is also very useful.
Susan and the whole Society of Saint Giles or what it is called? Are probably constantly praying for Willpower and Integrity to hold off the curse.

Nevermind everyone else that needs power. Molly can provide it at reasonable rates and a very forgiving payment plan.

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1)Hollow Mind Possession is right here and people are balkimg at buying the background that makes it more useful.
And unlike HMP, ESB requires that you find the spirit first.

2)Verdant Emptiness Endowment costs 5 Essence per use, and can only be used once a year per person, to a maximum of three times. AND it costs 20XP. Its a very nice charm, but people overestimate its ease of use and applicability.

Honestly, right now, if we had 20XP to spare, instead of buying VEE, I would buy the Sorcery Path Fortune 3 for 13XP and still have 7XP left over for two 1-dot charms. Or Sorcery Path Fortune 4 for 22XP.
Its not as powerful as VEE, but its more broadly applicable, and easier to use to stack Blessings or Curses on people and projects.

uju32 said:

Which makes our Cyberdevils pull double duty .

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Only magic secrets trigger our urge but yeah. Those were the points why I really want them.

But being able to soak at difficulty 4 with BSM as well as the blanket -1 Difficulty in combat from something as easy as pouring a bottle of water over our head tempted me more.

As I said the decision was really difficult to make. But if the votes tie, I will switch over.