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Scheduled vote count started by Shadows on Sep 24, 2022 at 10:51 AM, finished with 28 posts and 23 votes.

  • [X] Plan: Broad Front (70R)
    -[X] Construct a Sounding Rocket (15R per dice, 0/40, costs 1 Build Capacity until complete)
    --[X] And launch it (free action for Sounding Rockets) (gains Scientific Data, launch experience, results to show the people funding you)
    -[X] Second Stages (Tech) [AERO, PHYS] (10R per die, 186/200, gain the ability to make 2-stage rockets)
    -[X] (2 Dice) Advanced Concepts Office (5R per die, 0/150, will occasionally provide a new Program to pursue based on brainstorming and priorities)
    -[X] Combustion Instability Research [PHYS, CHEM, PROP] (5R per die, 0/200, turns the initial success roll for a rocket from a >60 to >50.)
    -[X] Research Program Outreach (10R per dice, 10/120, gives +2 bonus to 1d4 research areas (including engineering))
    -[X] Outcome Surveys (5R per dice, 63/120, get concrete goals to work towards)
    -[X] Shaking Trees (5R per dice, 52/100, variable reward)
    -[X] Rocket Boxes (Phase I) (5R per die, 0/200. Gives Rocket Boxes to every middle-school, high-school and university or equivalent in Africa. Encourages future African scientists and engineers - some of whom will even come work with the IEC.)
    [X] Plan: Casholox Rocket Engines
    -[X] Construct a Sounding Rocket (15R per dice, 0/40, costs 1 Build Capacity until complete)
    --[X] And launch it (free action for Sounding Rockets) (gains Scientific Data, launch experience, results to show the people funding you)


Dice time.
Shadows threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Sounding Rocket Build Total: 68
68 68
Shadows threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Sounding Rocket Launch Total: 71
71 71
Shadows threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Second Stages Total: 49
49 49
Shadows threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Advanced Concepts Office Total: 39
1 1 38 38
Shadows threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Combustion Instability Researc Total: 188
96 96 92 92
Shadows threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Research Program Outreach Total: 65
65 65
Shadows threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Outcome Surveys Total: 40
40 40
Shadows threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: Shaking Trees Total: 61
61 61
Shadows threw 3 100-faced dice. Reason: Shaking Trees Gacha Total: 168
47 47 73 73 48 48
Shadows threw 2 100-faced dice. Reason: Rocket Boxes Total: 99
7 7 92 92
 
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QM NOTE:

Dessard has informed me that the 2nd dice wasn't meant to go on the Advanced Concepts Office, but on Combustion Instability. The cost of the plan proves this out, though the text didn't.

I am awarding a mulligan - the Nat1 on the ACO is disappearing, and a 92 has been rolled for CIR.

Please be careful with your plan formats in the future! :)
 
Sounding Rocket 68+3+1 = 72/40 Launch 71
Second Stage 186+49+6 = 241/200

Advanced Concepts Office 38+1+12 = 51/150 NAT 1
Combustion Instability Research 96+92+12+14 = 214/200
Research Program Outreach 10+65+6 = 81/120
Outcome Surveys 63+40+10 = 113/120

Shaking Trees 52+61+10 = 123/100 Gacha: 47, 73, 48
Rocket Boxes 7+10 = 17/200

A successful launch with the new avionics and some more successful research. And we avoided that nat 1 due to GM benevolence. EDIT:Nevermind.

Hope that gacha gives us something decent.
 
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Both Advabced Concepts and Combustion Instability were meant to have 2 dice. So we may not avoid the Nat 1 depending. Sorry for the mistake and confusion
 
Both Advabced Concepts and Combustion Instability were meant to have 2 dice. So we may not avoid the Nat 1 depending. Sorry for the mistake and confusion
Oof. Well, uh, my bad, I misunderstood.

The Nat1 and its consequences are back.
 
Well at least it's just the organizing of an office that got a Nat 1. Which means it shouldn't be too bad. Maybe just some politicians being offended or messing with the process. Or a big fistfight between physicists breaking out in the cafeteria.

At least nothing should get blown up.
 
Well at least it's just the organizing of an office that got a Nat 1. Which means it shouldn't be too bad. Maybe just some politicians being offended or messing with the process. Or a big fistfight between physicists breaking out in the cafeteria.

At least nothing should get blown up.
maybe we got hit by nazisuicide bomber or something like that in the middle of us showing a politician around?
 
maybe we got hit by nazisuicide bomber or something like that in the middle of us showing a politician around?
No Nazis in this universe. Adolf Hitler died of a drug overdose in 1930. The Central Powers stalemated the Entente in the 2nd Great War (which is our WW1, in our timeline), so the fash never really materialized in the same way.
 
Well at least it's just the organizing of an office that got a Nat 1. Which means it shouldn't be too bad. Maybe just some politicians being offended or messing with the process. Or a big fistfight between physicists breaking out in the cafeteria.

At least nothing should get blown up.
Given the purpose of the office, I think we might have been better off with an explosion. I've got visions of politicians demanding impractical projects running through my head.
 
No Nazis in this universe. Adolf Hitler died of a drug overdose in 1930. The Central Powers stalemated the Entente in the 2nd Great War (which is our WW1, in our timeline), so the fash never really materialized in the same way.

Well, nazis as NSDAP might not be, but nazis as concept surely must have been? Great Man is not necessary. As fascism naturaly arises as defensive mechanism of capital, it developing genocidal tendencies is pretty much unavoidable.
Names might be different, history might be dissimilar, but nature of these poisons remains same.
 
Well, nazis as NSDAP might not be, but nazis as concept surely must have been? Great Man is not necessary. As fascism naturaly arises as defensive mechanism of capital, it developing genocidal tendencies is pretty much unavoidable.
Names might be different, history might be dissimilar, but nature of these poisons remains same.

It sounds like they were kept underthumb by reactionaries, like Franco did with the Falangists. It'd not like Imperial Germany wasn't already genocidal long before the Nazis seized power.
 
It sounds like they were kept underthumb by reactionaries, like Franco did with the Falangists. It'd not like Imperial Germany wasn't already genocidal long before the Nazis seized power.

This.

Well, nazis as NSDAP might not be, but nazis as concept surely must have been? Great Man is not necessary. As fascism naturaly arises as defensive mechanism of capital, it developing genocidal tendencies is pretty much unavoidable.
Names might be different, history might be dissimilar, but nature of these poisons remains same.

Ah, fascists-in-general. Yeah, could have been a fascist suicide bomber. You'll find out in the update!
 
September 30th, 1951//Q3 1951 Results
"IEC's Rocket Boxes a big hit with the kids!" - Mombasa Times

"I don't necessarily agree with putting gunpowder in the hands of children, but, as long as they are under the supervision of a responsible teacher, I suppose it is a good learning opportunity, and they have fun." Anonymous father, Mogadishu

"You should see the sparks they get in their eyes as they watch something they made leap into the heavens! It is a wonderful thing, my friend." Teacher, Cairo

"It will be a very good day when these Rocket Boxes get sent further abroad. My students are green with envy of those African kids!" Teacher, Chicago

"This is an awful idea! They're going to blow each other up. Or, worse, blow someone else up! This needs to be stopped! They don't have the wisdom nor the intelligence to use those boxes responsibly." Citizen, Cape Town

Resources:
5 (+55R/turn)
65 Political Support

Facilities:
1 Launch Stand (0-5 tonne) (+1 Operations die)
1 Assembly Complex (+1 Build Capacity)
1 Engineer's Hall (+2 Engineering Dice)
1 University Affiliate (+2 Science Dice)
1 Materials Lab (+5 bonus to projects tagged [MATSCI])
1 Chemical Plant (+5 bonus to projects tagged [CHEM])
1 Electronics Cooperative (+5 bonus to projects tagged [AVIONICS])
1 Construction Union Hall (+1 Facilities die)
1 Publications Office (+1 to all science and engineering fields; coinflip each year to get an additional +1)
1 Hardened Tracking and Observation (T&O) Complex (+3 to Operations)
1 Engine Test Stand (+2 to PROP projects)

Scientific Advances (name TBD)
Improved Instrumentation (Gain +1d2 bonus to a random field every 2 launches. Gain +1 to AVIONICS immediately.)
Regenerative Cooling (Starts down the path to more powerful and advanced rocket engines)

Scientific/Engineering Specific Field Bonuses
AERO - +0
AVIONICS - +6
CHEM - +5
CREW - +0
COMP - +0
MATSCI - +5
PHYS - +0
PROP - +2

Penelope Carter [The Director] - [+10 to Politics rolls, +2 Politics die, +5R/turn in funding from Connections, reroll 1 failed politics roll per turn]

Sergei Korolev - [+5 to Science and Engineering rolls (unless researching [HGOL][FUEL] projects, then it becomes a -15), +1 Science dice, +1 Engineering Dice. Request: Build an Orbital Rocket within 5 years; build a Scientific Complex in former Ukraine within 10 years.]

-[X] Construct a Sounding Rocket (Complete)
--[X] And launch it (Pass)

This month, your operations team coordinated with the engineering teams working on the Second Stage project in order to test their prototype. More below.

-[X] Second Stages (Tech) [AERO, PHYS] (241/200)

Your engineering teams bring you good news - they have successfully tested a subscale model of a two-stage rocket. Using some cast off pieces from some rocket boxes that got sent back for having defects in the rocket motors, they assembled a two stage miniature out of the tubes and used a small pneumatic piston as the separator. The rocket flew on first light, both stages igniting at the proper time, and went just over five thousand feet in the air - a respectable height for something a quarter the size of your usual sounding rockets.

Their next test would be a full scale test using a first stage that was just your normal sounding rocket minus its nose cone with a bit of reinforcement added. This, too, went off without a hitch, though the performance gain wasn't truly huge, given the lower initial thrust-to-weight ratio. However, your engineers assure you that in the future, with more powerful engines, they think a two-stage design will be the ideal choice for an initial orbital rocket.

(Gain the ability to make 2-stage rockets)
(Added 2-Stage Sounding Rocket to build list)
(+1 to AERO bonus)

-[X] (2 Dice) Advanced Concepts Office (51/150 - NAT 1)

"The IEC was created to do rocketry research, not mess about with nuclear materials!" the councilor from Frankfurt grated.

"Herr Freundlich, it is an Advanced Concepts Office. Their job is to investigate new possibilities for future investigation." you said with a sigh, resisting the urge to rub the bridge of your nose. "I understand your frustration on the matter, truly. But they are just doing their jobs."

"Quite. It seems this… Office has no purpose but to attract and fund crackpots. This whole venture seems the same." said the British man.

You resisted - barely - the urge to do more than grate your teeth. "Mr. Weatherby, I'm afraid we will have to disagree. And, I think, the WCC disagrees with you as well - what we are doing here is important." No matter what you may think, you fool.

"I think reconstruction is far more important than faffing about with every crackpot theory and idiot innovation for a useless line of science." he stated bluntly.

"You're certainly entitled to your opinion." you responded curtly. "I'm afraid my time is up. Please, show yourselves out."


The Advanced Concepts Office was off to a rocky start after one of the scientists you recruited into it let slip to the wrong person some admittedly-neat ideas on the subject of nuclear propulsion. Which, thanks to the recent trauma regarding mushroom clouds over twenty cities and millions reduced to ash in instants, was not exactly the kind of thing that was in vogue. You'd fielded calls and meetings about it ever since.

You hadn't let the scientist go, of course - you needed her and that kind of thinking in order to make the ACO worth it as an office. They were supposed to think outside the box.

You just didn't think it'd be this much of a headache.

(-10 PS; Advanced Concepts Office now costs -5 PS per die.)

-[X] Combustion Instability Research [PHYS, CHEM, PROP] (214/200)

The research into what had caused the last sounding rocket to blow up spectacularly went off absolutely perfectly. It was treated as something of a shock effort, but also as something of a passion project - it was an incredibly interesting problem for the type of person who wanted to be a rocket scientist to solve. Ultimately, it came down to making adjustments to the geometry of the combustion chamber. While the issue wasn't going to be completely solved, the scientists and engineers working on the problem were all in agreement that now that they knew what to look for, they could lower the odds of having another instability issue.

(Turns the initial success roll for a rocket from a >60 to >50.)

-[X] Research Program Outreach (10R per dice, 81/120, gives +2 bonus to 1d4 research areas (including engineering))

The attempts to connect with more scientific institutions goes better this quarter, with your scientists connecting with their peers who now have things they would like to cooperate on with regards to space and the science you can do in it. The IEC now has a number of pending agreements with various universities for research sharing, and expects to expand that number very soon.

-[X] Outcome Surveys (113/120 QM: Close enough, I'll give it to you.)

Your PAO completed the surveys this quarter, just in time for the IEC to make adjustments ahead of the budget negotiations. The results were now in, and it seemed that the people of the world, when they had a spare thought for space, wanted:

  1. Tangible results for Earth (suggestions: weather satellites, mapping, broadcasts)
  2. More chances for the public to get involved (suggestions: outreach, adding additional space centers, pursuing high space utilization)
  3. Scientific advancements applicable broadly (suggestions: materials science, chemical science, other scientific research that has knock-on effects.

The PAO has determined that your highest support comes from the former USA and European countries, save for Germany and other places hit by nuclear weapons, who have bigger things to worry about. Your lowest support comes from southeast Asia, and your support is growing in Africa.

As a first goal, they suggest building a second space center somewhere. It's the easiest thing to do, according to them, but it would be expensive.

-[X] Shaking Trees (123/100, 47/73/48)

Finally, bothering all of the Demil Committees bore fruit in the form of surplus loads of industrial equipment and high-grade materials being shipped to Mogadishu. It had taken slightly longer than you'd planned on, but the haul was good. You had casting machines for solid rocket motors, high-precision tools for making liquid engines courtesy of the old Soviet and American programs, various chemical precursors and chemical refining equipment that could be used to make fuels and anything else you needed.

The list was quite long, really.

But the most surprising thing was the nuke.

Oh good gods, what are we supposed to do with this?

And then the ACO debacle happened.

[Gained 50R]
[Gained 50R]
[Gained 1 Mark 4-type American nuclear weapon, plutonium core; gained chemical refining and handling equipment (+2 to CHEM); gained high-grade solid rocket motor casting machines and milling tools (+2 to PROP, AERO)]

-[X] Rocket Boxes (Phase I) (102/200 - WAS 7, REROLLED TO 92)

The deployment of the first phase of Rocket Boxes went off more or less flawlessly. There was a bit of an initial hiccup with your engine supplier - a small factory in Mombasa - leading to a short delay in the initial delivery, but when the shipment arrived it ended up arriving at the same time as the second shipment of engines, leading to a double-size initial burst of Rocket Boxes. First priority went to the schools nearest the space center, and highest priority amongst those went to the schools where the IEC's workers' children were attending. By the time the test launch of the two-stage sounding rocket went off, there was a sizable audience of kids from the nearby area watching from the space center's security gate, which was on the opposite side of the space center from the launchpad and about three kilometers away.

You took the opportunity to go out and talk to them - through an interpreter, you were still trying to learn the local language - and answer their questions, along with a couple of volunteers from the science and engineering teams.

It was a good day for everyone.
 
Lol. I suppose we can put the nuke in storage for now. The enriched fissiles will be very useful for a compact reactor later on.

Edit: Also, lol, that racist Cape Towner. They're not gonna like what we have in mind.
 
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"Hey boss what are we doing with this nuke?"
"It's a rocket isn't it? Just send it to those rocket people."
"Should we take the plutonium out first?"
"Eh, I'm sure they'll find something to do with it."

I guess one of the perks of an early space program is that nobody is really sure what we can accomplish.

At least the gacha gave us a nice chunk of resources to fund our projects for at least the next two turns.
 
Someone handed us their hot potato. I suggest we foist this off on someone else ASAP.

*Hissssssss*

My source of enriched fissionables! No take!

Ok, it sounds like the material science and propellant research options will be good for winning support due to their wider applications.

Tracking stations in Indonesia could be good for shoring up support there - I want to keep the space center otherwise centralized for now.
 
Sounding rockets are small enough that they can be launched with relatively limited support.

If we can acquire connections with international metereological institutes we can maybe export our designs for their research.
 
*Hissssssss*

My source of enriched fissionables! No take!
Is there actually enough plutonium in the device to be useful for purposes other than blowing itself up? There probably isn't more than 7kg of plutonium alloy in there.

And if that is sufficient fissile material for, say, a small nuclear reactor, it would still need to be extracted from the pit alloy, recombined with different materials, and reshaped to be useful for fuel rods. We definitely do not have the facilities to [safely] handle plutonium such that we can do that. Can we expect to build them on a reasonable time-scale, what with everything else we have to do?

I suppose the advantage of plutonium is that it'll keep.
 
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Those are some interesting results. They get mad at us for proposing nuclear propulsion, and then give us a nuke! But the resources are a lot more than I expected, and the solid rocket motor casting tools are exciting. Jumpstarting their use for things like small upper stages or retrorockets could be helpful.

That was also about a top 1% result to complete Combusion Instability in two dice, even if it wasn't a natural 100.


Looking at those objectives, the priority 1 stuff, actual space applications probably relies on us being able to put a couple hundred kilograms in orbit at least (and we'll probably want a polar launch site for some of it as well). For public involvement, we have some great outreach options and the point about tracking stations is good as well. For Priority 3, we'll probably advancing this incidentally anyway.

I'm surprised that there's not much interest in human space flight or even aviation pioneering, but I guess there's less incentive to push for glory and abstract accomplishments right now - even early on when people may not realize how expensive that kind of thing gets.. That may change based on public engagement and reconstruction progress but this basically looks like a mandate to continue a fairly linear, 'logical' rocket program right now.

I don't suppose the WCC'd be interested in a mission to Nuke The Moon? We might be able to get good science out of a high-atmosphere detonation as well but it probably would be very unpopular.
 
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Is there actually enough plutonium in the device to be useful for purposes other than blowing itself up? There probably isn't more than 7kg of plutonium alloy in there.

And if that is sufficient fissile material for, say, a small nuclear reactor, it would still need to be extracted from the pit alloy, recombined with different materials, and reshaped to be useful for fuel rods. We definitely do not have the facilities to [safely] handle plutonium such that we can do that. Can we expect to build them on a reasonable time-scale, what with everything else we have to do?

I suppose the advantage of plutonium is that it'll keep.

We can use it to make RTGs.
 
i think doing any R&D into anything with nuclear power at this point be a negative factor unless we keep it really small and in house somehow.
 
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