Remove ads

The Lost Primarch Quest

Flagship Name

  • Spirit of Fire

    Votes: 21 47.7%

  • Vigilance

    Votes: 23 52.3%
  • Total voters
    44
  • Poll closed .
Reader mode
Ruirk said:
Oh, voting is open. But no one has a plan available at the moment.

@Daemon Hunter How is this for a plan?

[] Plan: 95 Theses (With Enjou write in)
-[] Too many Primarchs aren't here; we need to get their thoughts on the matter. Invite a few of the Primarchs Kesar could trust to stay quiet on this for a discussion as soon as possible.
--[ ] Civil war may seem inevitable, but those here must make every effort to avoid it if possible, and mitigate the damage done if it does come to that - external threats to humanity still exist, and it is not just the Archdaemons that are of concern. How would humanity fare if the Blood and Thunder War ended in the favor of the Orks, should the Imperium have expended its strength tearing itself apart? What other horrors of the Age of Strife are gaining strength by the day, and will be that much stronger because civil war delayed humanity from dealing with them? Diplomacy must be attempted. It might fail, but even so, a peaceful solution must be considered. If nothing else, it will make your side seem more reasonable for having made the attempt.
---[ ] Come up with a list of demands/proposals and arguments in their favor. Determine what points we can't bend on, what points we can make compromises and concessions on, and what Malcador and the Emperor might negotiate for in return. The more scenarios considered, the better. Kesar will volunteer to act as the diplomat to present these and work out a possible compromise with Malcador.
----[ ] If diplomacy breaks down, then planning for this civil war must involve damage mitigation strategies. The stronger humanity stands at the end, the better.

Additionally, anyone want to add or subtract anything from this?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

That is a valid plan, and it would mean that some slight issues arise in regards to the Maelstrom Crusade being delayed due to having to have this meeting as soon as possible, but that would be acceptable to everyone here.
 
Well, if no one objects in-game.

[X] Plan: 95 Theses (With Enjou write in)
-[X] Too many Primarchs aren't here; we need to get their thoughts on the matter. Invite a few of the Primarchs Kesar could trust to stay quiet on this for a discussion as soon as possible.
--[X] Civil war may seem inevitable, but those here must make every effort to avoid it if possible, and mitigate the damage done if it does come to that - external threats to humanity still exist, and it is not just the Archdaemons that are of concern. How would humanity fare if the Blood and Thunder War ended in the favor of the Orks, should the Imperium have expended its strength tearing itself apart? What other horrors of the Age of Strife are gaining strength by the day, and will be that much stronger because civil war delayed humanity from dealing with them? Diplomacy must be attempted. It might fail, but even so, a peaceful solution must be considered. If nothing else, it will make your side seem more reasonable for having made the attempt.
---[X] Come up with a list of demands/proposals and arguments in their favor. Determine what points we can't bend on, what points we can make compromises and concessions on, and what Malcador and the Emperor might negotiate for in return. The more scenarios considered, the better. Kesar will volunteer to act as the diplomat to present these and work out a possible compromise with Malcador.
----[X] If diplomacy breaks down, then planning for this civil war must involve damage mitigation strategies. The stronger humanity stands at the end, the better.
 
Ruirk said:
Well, if no one objects in-game.

[X] Plan: 95 Theses (With Enjou write in)
-[X] Too many Primarchs aren't here; we need to get their thoughts on the matter. Invite a few of the Primarchs Kesar could trust to stay quiet on this for a discussion as soon as possible.
--[X] Civil war may seem inevitable, but those here must make every effort to avoid it if possible, and mitigate the damage done if it does come to that - external threats to humanity still exist, and it is not just the Archdaemons that are of concern. How would humanity fare if the Blood and Thunder War ended in the favor of the Orks, should the Imperium have expended its strength tearing itself apart? What other horrors of the Age of Strife are gaining strength by the day, and will be that much stronger because civil war delayed humanity from dealing with them? Diplomacy must be attempted. It might fail, but even so, a peaceful solution must be considered. If nothing else, it will make your side seem more reasonable for having made the attempt.
---[X] Come up with a list of demands/proposals and arguments in their favor. Determine what points we can't bend on, what points we can make compromises and concessions on, and what Malcador and the Emperor might negotiate for in return. The more scenarios considered, the better. Kesar will volunteer to act as the diplomat to present these and work out a possible compromise with Malcador.
----[X] If diplomacy breaks down, then planning for this civil war must involve damage mitigation strategies. The stronger humanity stands at the end, the better.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

i would add preparing for the worst,setting stuff on position (moving loyalists away from us),would be for the best if the war has clear areas ofcontrol for each side,a US civil war conflict (clear borders) is far better than a syria one (no clear territory and mixed factions on each battlefields)
 
I figure the intention with Enjou's write-in was for initial talks to act as a de-escalationon Kesar's part. Do we want to add in a part of him preparing for the worst, at least keeping it in mind?
 
Ruirk said:
I figure the intention with Enjou's write-in was for initial talks to act as a de-escalationon Kesar's part. Do we want to add in a part of him preparing for the worst, at least keeping it in mind?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

For that, it doesn't really matter if you do or not, Mortarion would push for it anyways. As would Kelbor and to a certain extent Perturabo.
 
Daemon Hunter said:
For that, it doesn't really matter if you do or not, Mortarion would push for it anyways. As would Kelbor and to a certain extent Perturabo.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Mortarion: Good luck with that. I really do hope it works, but when it doesn't I'll be ready.
Kelbor-Hal: I must make some preparations as well... just in case.
Perturabo: Oh for the love of-Kesar why do you jump into things like this without thinking? Now I need to work double time to be able to save you from your own sinking ship if the worst happens.
 
Ruirk said:
[X] Plan: 95 Theses (With Enjou write in)
--[X] Civil war may seem inevitable, but those here must make every effort to avoid it if possible, and mitigate the damage done if it does come to that - external threats to humanity still exist, and it is not just the Archdaemons that are of concern. How would humanity fare if the Blood and Thunder War ended in the favor of the Orks, should the Imperium have expended its strength tearing itself apart? What other horrors of the Age of Strife are gaining strength by the day, and will be that much stronger because civil war delayed humanity from dealing with them? Diplomacy must be attempted. It might fail, but even so, a peaceful solution must be considered. If nothing else, it will make your side seem more reasonable for having made the attempt.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Uh, Khorne winning would probably be as equally bad since not only would he get Orks, which would let him create Daemon Prince warbosses and Waagh fields for khornates, but also goddamn daemon-moons that are pretty much mobile daemon worlds with super weapons.
 
A bit off topic but whatever happened to that admiral that was originally an escaped slave from a slaver polity that was forcibly recruited then sent to Angron? Because feel pretty bad for that guy, especially since sending him to Angron did seem like a good idea at the time.
 
Red Bovine said:
A bit off topic but whatever happened to that admiral that was originally an escaped slave from a slaver polity that was forcibly recruited then sent to Angron? Because feel pretty bad for that guy, especially since sending him to Angron did seem like a good idea at the time.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Hawkwood is still around, but not for long

Hawkwood:
Terminal Age - Dies Year 50-60
DC5 suicide check every year
 
Red Bovine said:
A bit off topic but whatever happened to that admiral that was originally an escaped slave from a slaver polity that was forcibly recruited then sent to Angron? Because feel pretty bad for that guy, especially since sending him to Angron did seem like a good idea at the time.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

He's not long for the world, he hasn't killed himself yet surprisingly, but he also is very much a broken man by all that's happenned.
 
Red Bovine said:
A bit off topic but whatever happened to that admiral that was originally an escaped slave from a slaver polity that was forcibly recruited then sent to Angron? Because feel pretty bad for that guy, especially since sending him to Angron did seem like a good idea at the time.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

why was a bad idea sending him to angron?
 
Ruirk said:
Hawkwood is still around, but not for long

Hawkwood:
Terminal Age - Dies Year 50-60
DC5 suicide check every year
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Daemon Hunter said:
He's not long for the world, he hasn't killed himself yet surprisingly, but he also is very much a broken man by all that's happenned.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
That's honestly pretty sad, I mean the guys life was just absolutely tragic. Guy starts off a slave then manages to not only escape but become a succesful admiral who leads a fleet of slave liberators while fighting to end slavery in his home system. Then he not only finds out that the main 'hope' for humanity is actually a horrible Empire who not only allows slaves but is also pretty much filled with mostly slaves on top of not only most people not caring but even willing to support the worst human polities/nobles short of Chaos.

He is then forced to surrender because he not only realizes he stands no chance against such an Empire but was going up against a freaking Primarch and his legion. Then he is pretty much enslaved, again, to fight for the 'greater good' of humanity. Then to top it all off we sent him to Angron of all people thinking that it would be a good idea only to realize later how bad of an idea it was in hindsight. Especially since instead of showing that he could do good just showed him how horrible the Imperium is and how terribly flawed the people running the Imperium are if they let Angron get as far as he did.

Imagine that if Hawkwood does commit suicide Kesar would feel pretty awful considering the horrible position he put him in and having him die so miserably. Not helped in that Kesar probably unintentionally crushed any hope the guy had for the future of humanity. Hopefully someone decides to send him to someone like Vulkan who can legitimately give him hope by showing someone who agrees with his ideals and is trying to make the Imperium a better place for humans.
 
Tragically if we found him around this point now he'd have a lot better options in terms of wanting to help people and work under a Primarch that actually gave a shit about people. He def. would've gone over to Vulkan/Konrad at least. Although it would've been amusing for him to go over to Corvus post-Void War buff.
 
armentho said:
why was a bad idea sending him to angron?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Because of Angron actually being a pretty terrible person who is literally responsible for his territoy being a total hellhole that ended up rebelling and leading to the deaths of countless innocent people. Not helped is that his go to method was to just slaughter and destroy things in a way that caused immense collateral damage.
 
To build off of it, on the surface Angron was a good Primarch to Hawkwood. He outlawed slavery and really hated nobility. But behind that, was a regime that basically slaughtered everyone, including the World Eaters themselves at times.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Remove ads
Back
Top