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Just decided that it would be good to have the description of Drews golden skill below.

Skill: Character Actor
Every time you reach a new floor you must choose a class from a list. You will receive all disadvantages of that class. For each actionable of that class (e.g. skill, spell, benefit, stat boost, etc), there is a chance based on your level of Character Actor that you will receive that actionable. These advantages and disadvantages remain in effect for the duration of the floor. This skill increases in level by 1 each time you descend to a new floor. It cannot be trained.

A list of the classes that people have voted for and their actionables and disadvantages.

Democratic senator:
0 Disadvantages
7 Actionables (Do have an intelligence booster)

Local-access TV Psychic:
0 Disadvantages
8 actionables (Do have an intelligence booster)

Mystic scholar:
0 disadvantages
7 actionables (Does not have an intelligence booster)

Wizard supremasist:
1 disadvantage.
15 actionables. (Do have an intelligence booster)

Sickul said:

Moose race and class is gas, but I'm not voting for him to be some kind of humanoid thing even if it's insanely op. Gotta be quadruped and doglike.

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Did you wanna pitch some votes to Moose Cube then?

Gintarazimu said:

Did you wanna pitch some votes to Moose Cube then?

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You know I was against it because I was thinking Haste Self was made to not be used by Multi, but I guess it's more likely you can't stack the same buffs and Haste Self is a rare stacking buff that we could use to Alpha buff someone to high levels assuming mana holds.

[X] Moose in a Time Cube

Bond674 said:

Goddammit, hivemind, we can't just keep the tie going all the time.

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Yes you can! It's funny! And if there's a tie then I get to do whatever I want! *puppy Moose eyes*

Twinnstars said:

whenever you go down a floor all of your personal space and crafting tables upgrade by one level.

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Your personal space does not upgrade. Your crafting tables do. (This is DCC canon, not my opinion.)

Pyran said:

And my impressions of the Moose vote isn't that it can override votes that outmatch it

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Gintarazimu said:

I do not think EJ is gonna accept blanket Moose, looking at the bottom of this post Dungeon Crawler You!
Relevant text: ""Note: It's everyone's responsibility to make sure that their vote is tallied the way they want it to be; I'm not going to do the work of combining them. There is a large plurality of voters who want the same thing but have formatted their votes differently, are therefore showing up separately in the tally, and are therefore not supporting each other."

Edit: More relevant post: Dungeon Crawler You!

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You are both completely correct in the general case. In this specific situation, I'm okay with the "[x] Moose" vote. I interpret it to mean "I care more about Moose getting a class then about anything else". Mechanically, I will implement it in a straightforward way. My process for reading the vote will then become:

1. Remove everything below [x] Moose that does not have Taylor as Sysop and at least one member of the party receiving a buff of Intelligence +2 or higher.
2. Choose the highest ranked plan(s) that result in everyone having a race and class.

Item 2 means that in this case it would be the 5-vote plan that wins:

20 votes: [] Leo Catkin Wheeler Dealer, Taylor Doppelganger Sysop
[QM: Winning for Taylor and Leo, does not specify a cass for Drew. Keep this as winning for L+T, continue until finding an option for Drew
19 votes: [] Moose
[QM: Moose getting a class overrides everything else from here on. Cross off combos that do not qualify]
18 votes: [] Leo Cygnan Battle Klepto, Taylor Draconid Diva, Drew Monster Truck Driver
17 votes: [] Drew Monster Truck Driver
5 votes: [] Leo Syvio Battle Klepto, Taylor Akovishan Sysop, Drew Elemental Arcanist
[QM: Allows Moose to get a class. All options have been specified. Winner.]

This would result in "Leo Syvio Battle Klepto, Taylor Akovishan Sysop, Drew Elemental Arcanist" as the winning combination.

Had there been: "16 votes: [] Drew Democratic Senator" then the winning combination would have been:
Leo Catkin Wheeler Dealer, Taylor Doppelganger Sysop, Drew Democratic Senator

Hopefully this is clear.

Toboe said:

Do you take suggestions

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Yup! Although I reserve the right to modify them or not use them.

Sickul said:

Gotta be quadruped and doglike.

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This. Moose will remain a doggo with minimal modification. This means "himself but with wings" is fine but "fuck-off huge dragon with invulnerable scales and fire breath" is not.

I am now highly confused, some part of me thinks I get it, the rest is just wondering.

Anyway here's the current vote results.
Edit: Below in the post of Gintarazimu

Current tally:

So from my understanding, if the vote were to resolve right now, Catkin, Wheeler Dealer, Multacorp, Sysop + Wizard Supremacist would win, regardless of Moose. However, even if Mystic Scholar was ahead of Wizard supremacist, but below Moose, Wizard Supremacist would still win out, since none of the top vote fulfills the requirement of at least +2 int to give Moose a class and race.

So if anyone feels very strongly about Mystic Scholar, it would either have to gain traction above the Moose vote, or push Moose Time Cube to the top.

So it seems that there are two plans with a hope of winning :

1. Catkin Wheeler Dealer Leo, Multicorpalan Sysop Taylor, Wizard Supremacist Drew (Plan Catkin Leo + (Drew) Wizard Supremacist)
2. Chronan Wheeler Dealer Leo, Multicorpalan Sysop Taylor, Mystic Scholar Drew (Plan Moose in a Time Cube)

Unless I totally misunderstood eaglejarl's post, the outcome of the vote will be decided by the Wizard Supremacist vs Moose in a Time Cube vote (if Moose in a Time Cube is ahead of Wizard Supremacist it should get the pile of Moose votes, if Wizard Supremacist is ahead then Plan Catkin Leo wins).

Some people are voting for both, and may want to make a choice to break the tie (this means going back and deleting your old votes that you no longer want - use the search function to find them easily): @DaOneInDaCorner, @Inferno Vulpix, @Dreaming Circuit, @Cariyaga, @Sickul

If you're still undecided, ask me and I will shill for Moose in a Time Cube. It's obviously a much better choice!

eaglejarl said:

This. Moose will remain a doggo with minimal modification. This means "himself but with wings" is fine but "fuck-off huge dragon with invulnerable scales and fire breath" is not.

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Would a Wolf still qualify?
Werewolf would be out because it allows Moose to stand on 2 legs in some situations, right?

TalonofAnathrax said:

Unless I totally misunderstood eaglejarl's post, the outcome of the vote will be decided by the Wizard Supremacist vs Moose in a Time Cube vote (if Moose in a Time Cube is ahead of Wizard Supremacist it should get the pile of Moose votes, if Wizard Supremacist is ahead then Plan Catkin Leo wins).

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This is incorrect. Because Catkin Leo is the top vote it gets immediate priority for any options it has in its plan. Even if Moose in a Time Cube gets more votes than Wizard Supremacist, it does not get the pile of Moose votes added to it. The Moose vote is only a new set of requirements that is enacted when it is encountered going down the list of plans during the tally.

Gintarazimu said:

This is incorrect. Because Catkin Leo is the top vote it gets immediate priority for any options it has in its plan. Even if Moose in a Time Cube gets more votes than Wizard Supremacist, it does not get the pile of Moose votes added to it. The Moose vote is only a new set of requirements that is enacted when it is encountered going down the list of plans during the tally.

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That doesn't fit eagles description.

>2. Choose the highest ranked plan(s) that result in everyone having a race and class.

No mention of prior plans taking priority. And the example even has the 20 votes plan discarded,taking a 5 vote plan because of the 19 votes moose. With the 20 vote plan only surviving if there is a Drew class only option that comes before the 5 vote plan.

eaglejarl said:

1. Remove everything below [x] Moose that does not have Taylor as Sysop and at least one member of the party receiving a buff of Intelligence +2 or higher.
2. Choose the highest ranked plan(s) that result in everyone having a race and class.

Item 2 means that in this case it would be the 5-vote plan that wins:

20 votes: [] Leo Catkin Wheeler Dealer, Taylor Doppelganger Sysop
[QM: Winning for Taylor and Leo, does not specify a cass for Drew. Keep this as winning for L+T, continue until finding an option for Drew
19 votes: [] Moose
[QM: Moose getting a class overrides everything else from here on. Cross off combos that do not qualify]
18 votes: [] Leo Cygnan Battle Klepto, Taylor Draconid Diva, Drew Monster Truck Driver
17 votes: [] Drew Monster Truck Driver
5 votes: [] Leo Syvio Battle Klepto, Taylor Akovishan Sysop, Drew Elemental Arcanist
[QM: Allows Moose to get a class. All options have been specified. Winner.]

This would result in "Leo Syvio Battle Klepto, Taylor Akovishan Sysop, Drew Elemental Arcanist" as the winning combination.

Had there been: "16 votes: [] Drew Democratic Senator" then the winning combination would have been:
Leo Catkin Wheeler Dealer, Taylor Doppelganger Sysop, Drew Democratic Senator

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@eaglejarl In your example, what would happen if there was a Drew: Elemental Arcanist option with 17 votes?

Changed the vote to Drew: Wizard supremacist so it all fits together without completely changing the whole vote.

Toboe said:

Would a Wolf still qualify?
Werewolf would be out because it allows Moose to stand on 2 legs in some situations, right?

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Yes and yes.

Bond674 said:

I am now highly confused, some part of me thinks I get it, the rest is just wondering.

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Confused about the Moose vote thing? See below; hopefully that will clear it up.

Gintarazimu said:

So from my understanding, if the vote were to resolve right now, Catkin, Wheeler Dealer, Multacorp, Sysop + Wizard Supremacist would win, regardless of Moose. However, even if Mystic Scholar was ahead of Wizard supremacist, but below Moose, Wizard Supremacist would still win out, since none of the top vote fulfills the requirement of at least +2 int to give Moose a class and race.

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This is correct.

Specifically, it would work like this:


Compare that to a theoretical version where:




Finally, here is a version where Leo and Taylor keep their choices because the vote for Drew supplements them instead of overriding them:

Gintarazimu said:

This is incorrect. Because Catkin Leo is the top vote it gets immediate priority for any options it has in its plan. Even if Moose in a Time Cube gets more votes than Wizard Supremacist, it does not get the pile of Moose votes added to it. The Moose vote is only a new set of requirements that is enacted when it is encountered going down the list of plans during the tally.

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now we have a clear example from eagle, it does NOT work like that.

eaglejarl said:

Compare that to a theoretical version where:

Spoiler: theoretical vote where Leo+Taylor choices get overriden later

17 people have voted
[X] Plan Catkin Leo
-[X] Leo: Catkin Wheeler Dealer
-[X] Taylor: Multicorpalan Sysop

[QM: Race and class are set for Leo and Moose. Keep looking to find class for Drew.]

15 people have voted
[X] Plan: Wheeling, Dealing, System Screwing Multacorpalan
-[X] Leo
--[X] Race (L): Doppelganger
--[X] Class: Wheeler Dealer
-[X] Taylor
--[X] Race (T): Multacorpalan
--[X] Class: Sysops

[QM: Disregard this vote because Leo and Taylor already have their race/class. Keep looking to find class for Drew.]

13 people have voted
[X] Moose

[QM: Moose must get a class. That means he must have at least Intelligence:2. This can be achieved by having a Sysop (one of Taylor's classes) copy a "+2 Intelligence" entry from someone's class or race onto Moose. Cross out all votes from here down unless they result in: (1) Taylor takes the Sysop class, (2) at least one of Drew,Taylor,Calliope has a race or class that gives +2 or higher to Intelligence.

12 people have voted
[X] Drew: Combat Medic
[QM: Disregard this item because it would mean that no one in the party has a +2 or greater Intelligence buff that could be copied to Moose, and therefore Moose could not get a class]


2 people have voted
[X] Plan Jokey Joke
-[X] Leo: Tortugan Juvenile Jinete
-[X] Taylor: Scion of the Zree Sysop
-[X] Drew: Banana Farmer
[QM: Stop. All party members have a race and class specified. Taylor is a Sysop. Jinete provides a +2 Intelligence boost that can be copied to Moose.

Final result: Leo Tortugan Juvenile Jinete, Taylor Scion of the Zree Sysop, Drew Banana Farmer.]

1 person has voted
[X] Drew Democratic Senator

[QM: Evaluation of vote has already stopped. This vote is disregarded, as is everything below it.]

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Unless Moose vote wins above the Leo Catkin/Doppleganger plan, only Drew class is available.

Possible Drew classes:
Battlin' Baker +3 Int
Democratic Senator +2 Int
Hitman +3 Int
Medical Student +10 Int
Necromancer +3 Int
Rogue +2 Int
Textile Worker +4 Int
Wizard Supremacist +20 Int

If we didn't Wheeler Leo...
We could also SysOp FCA to Taylor/Leo on floor 4 for them to get Wheeler on floor 5, to copy it to the other.

2xMachina said:

Unless Moose vote wins above the Leo Catkin/Doppleganger plan, only Drew class is available.

Possible Drew classes:
Battlin' Baker +3 Int
Democratic Senator +2 Int
Hitman +3 Int
Medical Student +10 Int
Necromancer +3 Int
Rogue +2 Int

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False.
See the example given by eagle above.

eaglejarl said:

Compare that to a theoretical version where:

Spoiler: theoretical vote where Leo+Taylor choices get overriden later

17 people have voted
[X] Plan Catkin Leo
-[X] Leo: Catkin Wheeler Dealer
-[X] Taylor: Multicorpalan Sysop

[QM: Race and class are set for Leo and Moose. Keep looking to find class for Drew.]

15 people have voted
[X] Plan: Wheeling, Dealing, System Screwing Multacorpalan
-[X] Leo
--[X] Race (L): Doppelganger
--[X] Class: Wheeler Dealer
-[X] Taylor
--[X] Race (T): Multacorpalan
--[X] Class: Sysops

[QM: Disregard this vote because Leo and Taylor already have their race/class. Keep looking to find class for Drew.]

13 people have voted
[X] Moose

[QM: Moose must get a class. That means he must have at least Intelligence:2. This can be achieved by having a Sysop (one of Taylor's classes) copy a "+2 Intelligence" entry from someone's class or race onto Moose. Cross out all votes from here down unless they result in: (1) Taylor takes the Sysop class, (2) at least one of Drew,Taylor,Calliope has a race or class that gives +2 or higher to Intelligence.

12 people have voted
[X] Drew: Combat Medic
[QM: Disregard this item because it would mean that no one in the party has a +2 or greater Intelligence buff that could be copied to Moose, and therefore Moose could not get a class]


2 people have voted
[X] Plan Jokey Joke
-[X] Leo: Tortugan Juvenile Jinete
-[X] Taylor: Scion of the Zree Sysop
-[X] Drew: Banana Farmer
[QM: Stop. All party members have a race and class specified. Taylor is a Sysop. Jinete provides a +2 Intelligence boost that can be copied to Moose.

Final result: Leo Tortugan Juvenile Jinete, Taylor Scion of the Zree Sysop, Drew Banana Farmer.]

1 person has voted
[X] Drew Democratic Senator

[QM: Evaluation of vote has already stopped. This vote is disregarded, as is everything below it.]

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[X] Moose

@eaglejarl your theoretical example has something wrong maybe

17 people have voted
[X] Plan Catkin Leo
-[X] Leo: Catkin Wheeler Dealer
-[X] Taylor: Multicorpalan Sysop

[QM: Race and class are set for Leo and Moose. Keep looking to find class for Drew.]

This is same as the actual vote analysis where you said

17 people have voted
[X] Plan Catkin Leo
-[X] Leo: Catkin Wheeler Dealer
-[X] Taylor: Multicorpalan Sysop

[QM: Race and class are set for Leo and Taylor. Keep looking to find class for Drew.]

EDIT: If I understand things correctly,
Currently Catkin wins.
If Moose votes are higher than Drew's, we see plans for Drew.
If next highest plans for Drew includes overwriting Leo/Taylor, then Catkin loses to his plan
If next highest plans is just about Drew, Catkin wins with Drew class.

So, "Moose in a Time Cube" needs to be more than "Drew: Wizard Supremacist" for Catkin to lose

[X] Drew: Wizard supremacist

[X] Catkin/Scholar + Moose class
-[X]Taylor: Multacorporan Sysop
-[X]Leo: Catkin Jinette
-[X]Drew: Mystic Scholar

For another option who likes Catkin & Leo using her current Javelin Sword.
All about the speed and dexterity for Leo.

SysOp FCA to Wheeler Dealer Taylor to SysOp it floor after.
Delays access to Wheeler Dealer (floor 5+), where you're more likely to get higher grade boxes anyway.
If level up maintains in FCA like DCC, you can take Wheeler at floor 4 for Taylor to have Multi SysOp FCA Wheeler Dealer class together.
Else, take Wheeler at floor 5 to copy onto Drew for Lucky FCA Wheeler. (I actually prefer Wheeler on Drew)

Leo as the fast skirmisher
Taylor as the multi-body actor with SysOp
Drew as the lucky guy actor with bling.
Moose as the bruiser

2xMachina said:

@eaglejarl your theoretical example has something wrong maybe

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Yup. I brainoed that, then fixed it for the first entry but not the latter two. Fixed throughout, and thanks for the catch.


Voting closes in 12 hours. The current tally is below and the currently-winning combo is:

Leo: Catkin Wheeler Dealer
Taylor: Multicorpalan Sysop
Drew: Wizard supremacist

Let me know if anyone is unclear on why these are the winning options.

[] Moose in a Time Cube

[X] Moose in a Time Cube

[X] Catkin/Scholar + Moose class

CrabTravelLLC said:

[X] Catkin/Scholar + Moose class

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I think that's equivalent to [] Moose and Catgirl
Nevermind, I just saw the actual plan. I don't want to sacrifice Roll Up though.

We've got two exploits that can only be done on this turn and a few hours left to vote for a plan that does both of them. I prefer the Timecube version, but either way works for me.