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eaglejarl said:
As an aside, the reason that I had Taylor go last in class selection was to maximize the chances that someone would have picked Manager so that Levi could provide some information about the Diva class, among others. My intent was that each Concert ticket would have netted you 1 gold, plus Concert would have provided the ability to schmooze (briefly) with people outside the dungeon who could provide information about the floor. Sysyop has some broken abilities and I understand completely why you took it, but I do regret not having the Concert stuff as an option.
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Diva was interesting, I felt like if it had some kind of broken Charm spell that might have been in theme and maybe enough to get it some votes. I don't think SysOp was beatable though. Concert could still happen in some form like the convention did for Carl, seems like it would serve a similar purpose.
 
Cariyaga said:
One of my concerns about BoF is that it will make things too easy. Which, yes, sounds a little silly, but we need there to be some challenge for us, both to get XP, and to get followers and loot boxes.

WHereas something like Dog the Bounty Hunter makes big moments for us -- fights with skull-having folks, rezzing party members, etc that is both entertaining for the in-universe audience, and likely to lead to big prizes.
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I wouldn't worry about that. There is going to be plenty of problems that are not so straightforward or simple. Also BoF is great for pure spectacular.
 
fictionfan said:
If the confederacy hears that Moose took the bounty Hunter class they are just going to assume that we mean to kill them. And they would likely be right.
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And our collective build is best if we're cooperating in raids. People need to be able to trust us.
Cariyaga said:
One of my concerns about BoF is that it will make things too easy. Which, yes, sounds a little silly, but we need there to be some challenge for us, both to get XP, and to get followers and loot boxes.

WHereas something like Dog the Bounty Hunter makes big moments for us -- fights with skull-having folks, rezzing party members, etc that is both entertaining for the in-universe audience, and likely to lead to big prizes.
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You've a point about the drama, but don't worry about lethality. We're still all going to die.
 
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Aralez and Housecatkin
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    • Aralez​

    Named for the ancient Armenian spirit animals, you are a creature of myth and legend. A protector and healer, you sustain the powerful and defend humanity from all that offers it harm.

    • +4 Intelligence
    • +4 Dexterity
    • The Flight benefit
    • +2 to the Maneuverability skill
    • +3 to the Slobbery Smooches skill
    Skill: Maneuverability

    Determines how fast you are and how tightly you can turn, both on the ground and in the air.

    Skill: Slobbery Smooches

    Your smooches (i.e. licking) can heal! Higher levels increase the amount of healing per smooch.

    Housecatkin​

    Catkin come in many shapes and sizes. There are the mighty tigrans who rip and tear, the...you know what? Never mind, I'm not listing off all 492 subspecies of this thirst trap anime-weeaboo race you chose. You got housecatkin, okay? Yes, you're based off a common house cat. Felis catus. Those obnoxious little bastards who take, take, take and give nothing back except fur on the laundry and the occasional stress-reducing cuddle that's actually really good for the blood pressure. Oh, and they're also great for getting a gazillion likes on Instagram.

    • +5 Dexterity
    • +2 Charisma
    • +3 Intelligence
    • +3 to the Stealth skill
    • +3 to the Pounce skill
    • +3 to the Danger Sense skill
    • +3 to the Light on Your Feet skill
    • +3 to the You Never Fed Me, Honest! skill
    • Feline-type mobs will lose their automatic hostility
    Skill: Pounce

    Your damage is increased by 50% per level when you attack from above.

    Skill: Danger Sense

    There is a chance based on skill level that you will be alerted to dangerous situations such as traps, ambushers, beings who are about to attack you, etc.

    Skill: Light on Your Feet

    You can jump higher and farther. Falling damage is reduced. Effect scales with skill level and Dexterity.

    Skill: You Never Fed Me, Honest!

    You ever see one of those cats looking up at you and meowing piteously about how they're starving to death, wasting away, and how could you be so cruel as to mistreat them like this? All the while, they're standing right next to a bowl that's overflowing with kibble, and next to that is a small plate with, like, nine cans of wet food on it? Well, now you too can pull those shenanigans.

    If successful, the target will believe whatever you tell them. Only works on mobs. Will not work on some mobs. Mob must be able to hear you and understand you. Chance of success depends on skill level, Charisma, and the ridiculousness of what you are attempting to convince them of.

    This skill is similar to, but more powerful than, the Silver-Tongued Liar skill.
     
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    • Seems like we got a common one, but it's still pretty good. And fun, can skateboard up stuff and pounce down and the You Never Fed Me, Honest! seems fun and doesn't specify it only works on NPCs. No Con hit or cap either means it's solid all around.
     
    Slobbery Smooches is cute and fun. Free noncombat healing, will definitely play well with the viewer.
    Meanwhile Housecatkin's Pounce ability should go well with the board, at least. The rest is all rather unimpressive.
     
    Well it's no doppelganger. Also pounce doesn't scale nearly as well as some other more general damage boosting skills.
     
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    You Never Fed Me, Honest seems really strong, actually -- it's a reskin of that bullshitting ability from Local Psychic.
     
    eaglejarl said:
    Skill: You Never Fed Me, Honest!

    You ever see one of those cats looking up at you and meowing piteously about how they're starving to death, wasting away, and how could you be so cruel as to mistreat them like this? All the while, they're standing right next to a bowl that's overflowing with kibble, and next to that is a small plate with, like, nine cans of wet food on it? Well, now you too can pull those shenanigans.

    People are more inclined to believe your bullshit. How much you can get away with scales with your skill level, your Charisma, and exactly how bullshit is the bullshit you're trying to convince them of.
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    Does this work on crawlers? Because Calliope is going to get a lot of mileage out of this one. It'll be funny, too, so good for views.

    thefoolswriter said:
    I was kinda hoping for jaguar but this is fine
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    Them's the brakes on the gambling train. We're likely to be leaning on Fortuna's Favored Child a lot, but it is luck, and it's gonna not pan out sometimes.

    If it helps, it's probably going to be really cute, and popularity and the AI's sense of fair play are the only things keeping us from being accelerated so Borant doesn't have to pay out through the nose for a Celestial Box.
     
    Olivebirdy said:
    Does this work on crawlers? Because Calliope is going to get a lot of mileage out of this one. It'll be funny, too, so good for views.


    Them's the brakes on the gambling train. We're likely to be leaning on Fortuna's Favored Child a lot, but it is luck, and it's gonna not pan out sometimes.

    If it helps, it's probably going to be really cute, and popularity and the AI's sense of fair play are the only things keeping us from being accelerated so Borant doesn't have to pay out through the nose for a Celestial Box.
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    The claws the enhanced sense and the dex should really help with skating a lot she should focus on dex and cha I think there no character sheet so I can't tell
     
    ...Ok, well...

    Did I misunderstand things? I thought Levi said that Drew being a Tir Inqua would make Fortuna's Favored Child apply to the subrace selection. I admittedly knew we wouldn't get Hellcatkin, no matter how much I loved the idea of it going so well with a Good Boy Moose, but...

    I was genuinely expecting something like Displacer Beast or Wampus and for the Kamadan to be the low end.
     
    Sickul said:
    Diva was interesting, I felt like if it had some kind of broken Charm spell that might have been in theme and maybe enough to get it some votes. I don't think SysOp was beatable though. Concert could still happen in some form like the convention did for Carl, seems like it would serve a similar purpose.
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    Hey, we could still FCA Taylor, and get Diva next floor.
     
    fictionfan said:
    Well it's no doppelganger. Also pounce doesn't scale nearly as well as some other more general damage boosting skills.
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    It's also no seven-foot-tall sword turtle. Let's see if we can't train or otherwise acquire Backstab to stack with it.
    Cariyaga said:
    You Never Fed Me, Honest seems really strong, actually -- it's a reskin of that bullshitting ability from Local Psychic.
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    It's even better than that one.
    Skill: Silver-Tongued Liar

    When you make an effort, you can convince people to believe the bullshitiest of bullshit!

    If successful, the target will believe whatever you tell them. Only works on mobs. Will not work on some mobs. Mob must be able to hear you and understand you. Chance of success depends on skill level, Charisma, and the ridiculousness of what you are attempting to convince them of.
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    Ours does not require the target to hear or understand, it works on anyone, not just mobs. Crawlers, maybe. Managers, NPCs, shopkeepers, bosses. Yeah, this skill is nuts.

    Edit: Silver-Tongued Liar only works upon successful rolls, but anything will be believed, with chances of success depending on Charisma, skill level, and believability, whereas You Never Fed Me, Honest! doesn't require a roll, but what they'll believe is limited by skill level and Charisma.

    In practice, what this means is, if Calli lies about something within that range, they will believe her. No chance of failure.
    Skill: You Never Fed Me, Honest!

    People are more inclined to believe your bullshit. How much you can get away with scales with your skill level, your Charisma, and exactly how bullshit is the bullshit you're trying to convince them of.
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    Calli can mime not seeing people, or pretend to be about to trip or alone. It works with feints, it works on negotiations. It works with body language.

    And, if that's not enough, we can copy it to any other crawler stacking Charisma, if nothing better comes up. Such as Drew.
     
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    "Skill: You Never Fed Me, Honest!"
    Silvertongued liar, but cat...
    With how Leo treats the valkyries I'm really disinclined to let her handle social situations, but maybe it can tide us over until we have spellbookmaking (and ideally Scrollmaking) for Drew and can then FCA Local Access TV psychic for him.(which will also take Luck).

    Could really help with socials, but that requires Leo to play along with plans in situations that aren't her doing flashy or speedy things.


    Also, imho we should remember to have Taylor tell Leo he is sorry, she is absolutely right to insist that it is her choice what to pick. That her choice is ass doesn't make it OK to pressure her. Make sure she knows He was just frustrated.


    beowolf said:
    ...Ok, well...

    Did I misunderstand things? I thought Levi said that Drew being a Tir Inqua would make Fortuna's Favored Child apply to the subrace selection. I admittedly knew we wouldn't get Hellcatkin, no matter how much I loved the idea of it going so well with a Good Boy Moose, but...

    I was genuinely expecting something like Displacer Beast or Wampus and for the Kamadan to be the low end.
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    Iirc he said "might" not "will".

    Well, we gambled and got a dud, our fault for choosing gacha and not something that gives us more tools we use our creativity to abuse.
     
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    TalonofAnathrax said:
    Assuming Taylor can actually sing, of course. Can he?
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    No, but Concert covers whatever your performance skill is. In his case it's yo-yo.

    fictionfan said:
    Honestly I really wondered about that. It's clear that all the options are good. You clearly spent a very large amount of time making everything. Did you do it all yourself? Seems like a lot of effort when in the end we can only make one choice. It's like no matter what we pick we all feel disappointed to miss all the amazing possibilities of the things not picked.
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    I did create them all, yes. As others have remarked, I took some of the names and themes for some of them from DCC or DCD, but most of them are self generated. The imported ones vary between a straight lift (Former Child Actor and the Tariaksuq's "turn to shadows" ability) to a "this name was mentioned, maybe alongside a one-sentence description, and I will put something behind it (Boring Ol' Fighter being a prime example).

    TalonofAnathrax said:
    A bunch of the options are from canon. Some of the other options are from the Dungeon Crawler Carl Discord. Some seem to be from Dungeon Crawler Darryl (a fanfic), unless DCD also stole them from somewhere. IDK where the rest are from, presumably eaglejarl made them himself.
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    I don't think I got anything off the Discord, so it's probably spontaneous co-generation. Or maybe I heard it a long time ago and my brain is cheese...that's usually a good bet.

    Olivebirdy said:
    Is Grease flammable?
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    Yes.

    Olivebirdy said:
    Are there items BOF Moose could use that would scale with Intelligence?
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    Undoubtedly, but you have none of them at the moment.
     
    beowolf said:
    Did I misunderstand things? I thought Levi said that Drew being a Tir Inqua would make Fortuna's Favored Child apply to the subrace selection. I admittedly knew we wouldn't get Hellcatkin, no matter how much I loved the idea of it going so well with a Good Boy Moose, but...
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    As @Toboe pointed out, Levi said "might", not "will". In fact, he even said "probably won't" in the beginning.

    Olivebirdy said:
    Does this work on crawlers? Because Calliope is going to get a lot of mileage out of this one. It'll be funny, too, so good for views.
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    Olivebirdy said:
    It's even better than that one.

    Ours does not require the target to hear or understand, it works on anyone, not just mobs. Crawlers, maybe. Managers, NPCs, shopkeepers, bosses. Yeah, this skill is nuts.

    Edit: Silver-Tongued Liar only works upon successful rolls, but anything will be believed, with chances of success depending on Charisma, skill level, and believability, whereas You Never Fed Me, Honest! doesn't require a roll, but what they'll believe is limited by skill level and Charisma.

    In practice, what this means is, if Calli lies about something within that range, they will believe her. No chance of failure.

    Calli can mime not seeing people, or pretend to be about to trip or alone. It works with feints, it works on negotiations. It works with body language.

    And, if that's not enough, we can copy it to any other crawler stacking Charisma, if nothing better comes up. Such as Drew.
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    It's intended to be a powerful ability, but you are definitely overselling it here. It's intended to be a reskinned version of Silver-Tongued Liar, but amped up a bit because cats are bullshit-tier at lying and then looking innocent. People will still need to hear and understand her before her lying can be helpful, it's not mind control, etc.
     
    eaglejarl said:
    As @Toboe pointed out, Levi said "might", not "will". In fact, he even said "probably won't" in the beginning.
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    "This race became a much better option now that Drew has his Tir Inqua powers," Levi said. "Like I said before, some of the potential subspecies are very, very good."

    "You said that you weren't sure the luck powers would effect race selection," Taylor objected.

    "I'm not," Levi admitted, "but I think it's the way to bet. Besides, there aren't any bad catkin subspecies. The worst you'll get is a mediocre option, but you may get something excellent. Either way, it'll be good for social numbers. The audience likes catkin."
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    I mean, yes, he's saying it may not matter, but it feels really wrong to have our guide specifically call out something as most likely the case and then have it not be. I did fully accept the "you should expect to not get Hellcatkin even with FFC boosting you", but after you put more effort into describing the Supernatural cats, I expected one of them.
     
    beowolf said:
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    I mean, yes, he's saying it may not matter, but it feels really wrong to have our guide specifically call out something as most likely the case and then have it not be. I did fully accept the "you should expect to not get Hellcatkin even with FFC boosting you", but after you put more effort into describing the Supernatural cats, I expected one of them.
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    It was always a gacha. Sometimes playing the gacha means you lose.
     
    Just woke up, some scattershot thoughts...

    1) Moose healing with smooches is adorable
    2) Does the Housecatkin stat bonuses stack with the normal Catkin stat bonuses?
    3) Leo is going to pull soooo many pranks on Taylor with her bullshitting ability
     
    I want to make sure I don't sound too frustrated. Catkin was a cool idea I supported because I thought the worse three quarters of the random results were cut out, but it going poorly isn't really upsetting, and I feel I may have given the impression that it was when trying to explain why I expected something different than what happened.

    Unlike in many other possible scenarios, Leo's Race being a dud is completely recoverable here. Our long term progression is tied up in the Classes and Taylor's Race. We picked up some really good short term combat abilities by getting Wizard Supremacist, and both of the leading Classes for Moose will do the same. We're not actually in heavier immediate danger than we have been all quest -- not the way we would have been if we took Mystic Scholar, where I don't think even Boring Ol' Fighter Moose would be enough to carry entirely on his own -- because Drew currently has the power to shut down what gets past Moose while Taylor and Leo dart out from behind him to grind on individual targets. And so Leo's Race being clearly worse than other options we could have taken isn't the serious problem it could have been, while in the long run it's going to be totally irrelevant.
     
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