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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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the DragonBard said:
Was just rereading Splintered Gale Incarnation, and it looks like something that, while useful, wouldn't be anything Molly would want.

Specifically the fact that, if she dies, and uses it as a means of self-resurrection, it destroys the 'identity' of the clone.
Molly wouldn't want to create a being just to use it as a backup life that she sacrifices to not die.

Plus, while they give access to extra hands, and allow her to be in more than one place, they are mortal, and have explicitly no magic of any sort.
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If she doesn't plan to die, it's not an issue.

Also, the clones don't start with any magic. That doesn't mean that Molly can't arrange to give them some.
 
Is Michael in a position to act?

Warning dad would also alert the ghost to Michael's significance.

[X] Get your elemental friend to ram the stair, Lydia will most likely get hurt, but it's better than some monster pulling her strings like a puppet
 
[X] Warn dad, he's the one with the sword and faith can banish dark things that cloud the mind of the innocent

If we go by the bible there are many verses indicating that the faithful should be able cast our evil spirits just by invoking Jesus's name.
 
fictionfan said:
[X] Warn dad, he's the one with the sword and faith can banish dark things that cloud the mind of the innocent

If we go by the bible there are many verses indicating that the faithful should be able cast our evil spirits just by invoking Jesus's name.
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She's 20 feet above us. It's a valid question whether or not she'd be in Michael's range, or whether or not we could get her into Michael's range before she escapes.
 
Goldfish said:
Maybe we should just directly address whatever being is possessing Lydia? It's not necessarily a hostile force, after all, and acting under the assumption that it is could cause further complications and misunderstandings.

[X] Greet the spirit possessing Lydia and ask what it's intentions are in regards to our friend.
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We don't know that it's hostile, but we have no reason to believe it's friendly either. If we let it know we know that it's present it might attack, try to hold Lydia hostage, or attempt to rush through the last bit of its passage to the nevernever. The last of which would really suck since we aren't exactly equipped to trivially open a way ourselves yet.

Gard might be able to, but it's worth noting that she isn't a mortal caster. Her style is different, and relies more on prep work. If she didn't bring her runes of plane shifting with her today then we could be in trouble.
 
Setting aside the hypothetical applications for a moment, clone nonsense probably isn't a good idea from a practical perspective because we don't live in a shack at the edge of the woods somewhere.

The social consequences of serial cloning, the resources to care for them, and the work needed to set them up to live in a modern society would be a lot to deal with. Especially since we're almost certainly going to be on the magical FBI's radar after this.

All charms can do cool things, especially high power charms. I'm not convinced that this particular subset is really worth the trouble when we compare the practical details of using it to those of its peers.
 
fictionfan said:
[X] Warn dad, he's the one with the sword and faith can banish dark things that cloud the mind of the innocent

If we go by the bible there are many verses indicating that the faithful should be able cast our evil spirits just by invoking Jesus's name.
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Thing is, if we go by the Bible that mostly applies to the kind of evil spirits that are fallen angels, who (partly) fear Jesus the way a deserter or a rebel fears a military commander. Invoking the name of Jesus is a threat, not a spell in itself. It's like the difference between saying "Get out before I call the cops" and chanting "N-Y-P-D".

It's not obvious to me how that would work in a crossover setting which can have "independent" evil spirits from organizations that potentially didn't fall out of the Heavenly Host in the first place.
 
Exmorri said:
Thing is, if we go by the Bible that mostly applies to the kind of evil spirits that are fallen angels, who (partly) fear Jesus the way a deserter or a rebel fears a military commander. Invoking the name of Jesus is a threat, not a spell in itself. It's like the difference between saying "Get out before I call the cops" and chanting "N-Y-P-D".

It's not obvious to me how that would work in a crossover setting which can have "independent" evil spirits from organizations that potentially didn't fall out of the Heavenly Host in the first place.
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To be fair, we've got one of the white god's enforcers right here. To use your example, it's a bit like shouting for the police while standing a few feet from a fully kited out SWAT officer.
 
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Alratan said:
1) the whole point I was making is that if a Chooser of the Slain shows up that's a strong sign you might shortly be one of the slain, even if they're not the one doing the slaying.

2) Molly didn't use the Crown on her, so all she has is suppositions based on knowledge pre-dating the existence of both fey and Changelings.

3) Completely wrong. Kumori makes the very explicit point that necromancy uses a different energy to regular mortal magic, and so it has different effects on its users. Similarly, the reason other supernaturals can break the Laws of Magic without it backfiring and twisting them is that the energy source they use is different, and doesn't rebel like the life based magic of mortal magic when used to do things antithetical to it.

Whatever the Dark Hallow would have made the ascending Kemmlerite would have had the power of a god, I don't think we were told it would make them divine, or into an actual god. Presumably they'd still be running off necromantic/death energy given they'd be empowered by eating a bunch of ghosts.

Mab says 'The heir would gain power such as has not been wielded by mortal hands in the memory of your race.'
Dresden replies 'The Darkhallow. That's what it is. A ritual, tomorrow night. Halloween. They all want to be the one to make themselves into a junior-league god.'

But at this point Dresden doesn't really know what a food is. He's using imprecise language, using god to describe power level. Note that it explicitly would put the power into mortal hands, not immortal ones, like those of a god.

Note Mab, the Erlking etc aren't gods. The gods, according to a WoJ, existed before time did, and the likes of Mab are immortal bearers of mantles but they're ascended mortals who can into existence after time began.
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Ill note the word of jim on older than time was about angels and the white god not gods in general. Some gods may be older than time they may not be though.
 
[X] Warn dad, he's the one with the sword and faith can banish dark things that cloud the mind of the innocent
 
[X] Warn dad, he's the one with the sword and faith can banish dark things that cloud the mind of the innocent

I figure the knights probably can't be completely stymied by vertical gaps for very long, or the Denarians would prequel meme their way to victory.

Though distracting her a bit might be worth the effort.
 
[X] Warn dad, he's the one with the sword and faith can banish dark things that cloud the mind of the innocent

Begone, restless spirit and return to thy grave.
 
[X] Warn dad, he's the one with the sword and faith can banish dark things that cloud the mind of the innocent
 
Do we know where the portal leads (can we see what's on the other side)? Does it look stable? If it's going to collapse after something passes through, we could throw our sword through it.
 
I sword throw at the portal seems like a good stunt in any case. Delays her getting to the portal and might close it.
 
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