Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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True.
Which only works when you have superior knowledge and resources.
Neither of which are present here.
Which is essentially impossible, given how the world works. And how Dresden works in it.
You are basically arguing that whoever is running this op is either deliberately sabotaging it, or is manifestly unfit for the job, because they arent even determining whats possible before setting goals in terra incognita.
Trying to force a round peg into a square hole seldom ever goes well.
From the view of the Criminal Division? Of course not. Mafia, just with no economic elements.
From the PoV of the spooks?
That should look very much like the actions of a nationstate. Especially given the lack of any attempts to leverage that rule-setting into moneymaking behavior, which is more than some nationstate level entities.
The QM is offering us a potential night fight out in the wilds of Illnois.
How could I resist?
Just toss a couple bottles of bleach in the trunk along with a inflatable pool if need be.
If you want IC justification?
If Dresden doesnt keep his mouth shut, his interrogators will know soon that his alibi is that he was in Menominee.
Which means that word will reach whoever set this up via their conduit into law enforcement.
Which means that the hostiles will try to reach and destroy any recordings in Menominee. Tonight.
If you look at the map, Menominee Township IL is a municipality of around 400 odd houses
Locating the houses and businesses with external cameras is not likely to be hard or time consuming.
So we better get moving.
Not to mention they mignt try murdering Old Man Mathews and his grandchildren.
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[X] Go back to Menominee, start looking for that alibi
-[X] Have Clippy search for public locations of cameras
@DragonParadox gonna update your sig to include Green Flame Rising?
-[X] Have Clippy search for public locations of cameras
@DragonParadox gonna update your sig to include Green Flame Rising?
White Council is, from a legal perspective, an international terrorist organization. It asserts jurisdiction over people based on their inborn traits irrespective of their nationality. It routinely searches for, and then kills people who have never heard about it. It recruits and indoctrinates children into its ways of thinking. It breaches borders without so much as an afterthought, deals with prohibited substances, and its members involve themselves in all kinds of illegal shenanigans constantly.
And this will remain true until and unless there is an agreement signed between White Council and U.S. government, at which case White Council either becomes a nation, or an international organization with special rights.
Which is why they need leverage, like a murder charge. They need information. They are likely being stonewalled. They need to breach that wall.
On the subject of vote:
Menominee is interesting for night time shenanigans, and could be time sensitive (if the conspiracy of FBI is going to try and erase exonerating evidence).
Dresden's place potentially involves direct interaction with Bob.
Tough choices. I think time is somewhat critical - the level of action on the part of nazis implies time sensitive issues. So
[X] Go back to Menominee, start looking for that alibi
-[X] Check for traffic cameras along the way too.
The Maffia is criminal in the broad sense and so is a would be nation state organizing executions on your territory. Even if we allow 'nation state' for a transnational group they are still trying for some kind of odd non-territorial secession and making their own laws. Still does not look trustworthy by a long shot. The fact that due to the Vampire War wizards are now involved in more violent confrontations, including with human pawns than they have in generations probably does not help.
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That is extremely unlikely.
Not that the people running this FBI shitshow wouldn't do that, but that Harry would say anything about it to them. He'll make smartass comments or just not say anything, but he definitely won't cooperate even that much, especially when it comes to something like talking about Menominee, since he knows it's potentially critical to his own investigation.
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I'm not worried about the agents doing that, but about the real enemy, who faked the murder in the first place.
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They still would need to know about the trip and have the skills and knowledge to target technological recordings, plus the time to do so. That's reaching.
Just seems like a bad excuse to try to justify making a trip to Menominee in hopes of getting into a fight, IMO, rather than actually doing something that makes sense.
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[X] Go back to Menominee, start looking for that alibi
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For everyone voting to go back to Menominee right away, can someone at least come up with a write in option that does other sensible stuff, like calling Charity and/or Michael, arranging someone to house sit for Harry, etc? Maybe have Clippy do some preliminary investigation?
It's a 2.5 hour road trip, we've got time for incidentals.
It's a 2.5 hour road trip, we've got time for incidentals.
The secretive international organisation that occasionally drops by to decapitate teenagers? They seem incredibly trustworthy!
We did just call dad and explain the situation.
As for the FBI getting anything out of Harry...he won't stop talking when he's nervous or pissed, and apparently they're already contemplating police brutality at what he's doing.
No dice on him spilling the beans but theres going to be quite a lot of annoyed cops before he's done lol.
As for his apartment the wards should be fine. They can destroy it, but forcing the door starts with a painful zap and ends with turning zombies entirely to ash and vapor.
[X] Go back to Harry's place, make sure Mouse is well and that no one tried to break in.
-[X] Call home and let Charity know you're watching Harry's apartment for the night since he was kidnapped by the FBI. If she argues, let her hear the recording Clippy made. Ask Michael if he knows any of Harry's friends who might be available to house sit for Harry longer term (such as Thomas, though Molly doesn't know that, IIRC).
--[X] Take a bleach bath to rapidly recover Essence. While you soak, have Clippy go over our route from GPS and public data, and make a list of potential sources of the footage we need organized by probability of having what we need and location. Have everything ready to go when we start looking for that alibi.
---[X] Early the next morning, after securing Harry's apartment as best we can in his absence, we'll head back to Menominee to start looking for that alibi.
-[X] Call home and let Charity know you're watching Harry's apartment for the night since he was kidnapped by the FBI. If she argues, let her hear the recording Clippy made. Ask Michael if he knows any of Harry's friends who might be available to house sit for Harry longer term (such as Thomas, though Molly doesn't know that, IIRC).
--[X] Take a bleach bath to rapidly recover Essence. While you soak, have Clippy go over our route from GPS and public data, and make a list of potential sources of the footage we need organized by probability of having what we need and location. Have everything ready to go when we start looking for that alibi.
---[X] Early the next morning, after securing Harry's apartment as best we can in his absence, we'll head back to Menominee to start looking for that alibi.
[X] Go back to Harry's place, make sure Mouse is well and that no one tried to break in.
-[X] Call home and let Charity know you're watching Harry's apartment for the night since he was kidnapped by the FBI. If she argues, let her hear the recording Clippy made. Ask Michael if he knows any of Harry's friends who might be available to house sit for Harry longer term (such as Thomas, though Molly doesn't know that, IIRC).
--[X] Take a bleach bath to rapidly recover Essence. While you soak, have Clippy go over our route from GPS and public data, and make a list of potential sources of the footage we need organized by probability of having what we need and location. Have everything ready to go when we start looking for that alibi.
---[X] Early the next morning, after securing Harry's apartment as best we can in his absence, we'll head back to Menominee to start looking for that alibi.
-[X] Call home and let Charity know you're watching Harry's apartment for the night since he was kidnapped by the FBI. If she argues, let her hear the recording Clippy made. Ask Michael if he knows any of Harry's friends who might be available to house sit for Harry longer term (such as Thomas, though Molly doesn't know that, IIRC).
--[X] Take a bleach bath to rapidly recover Essence. While you soak, have Clippy go over our route from GPS and public data, and make a list of potential sources of the footage we need organized by probability of having what we need and location. Have everything ready to go when we start looking for that alibi.
---[X] Early the next morning, after securing Harry's apartment as best we can in his absence, we'll head back to Menominee to start looking for that alibi.
Goldfish
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We explained what happened, but not what the next step in our plans are, whether that's to stay at Harry's apartment, drive to Menominee, or to come home to help wrangle the Jawas.
Keeping them informed at this point just makes sense.
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[X] Go back to Harry's place, make sure Mouse's OK and no on e tried to break in
If they wanted information, they'd be looking for a member or ex-member of the Venatori.
Theyd be investigating the occult stores and buying a copy of everything on the shelves.
As in, you can literally buy Elementary Magic by Ebenezar McCoy at Bock's Books for cash on the counter. Der Lieb du Erlking was
There's a difference between the Daedalus guys and the Special Collections people.
There's a reason Special Collections has a much longer active lifespan, as compared to Daedalus being the heirs to the last disastrous attempt at this by the CIA.
Trustworthy? Not at first glance. Or at second.
But like I said, Wright and his network are almost certainly the mushrooms of the setting.
What White Council contacts that might exist are going to be at at a much higher level than FBI field agents.
1) Couple weeks ago during the events of Prove Guilty, Harry busted Murphy's ex-husband FBI agent Rick Boughton and Detective Greene for trying to interrogate a distressed Molly without a parent or guardian available.
Harry canonically saved Rudolph's life twice in Changes after Rudolph trumped up charges against him to incite an FBI raid.
After the FBI trashed his home in Changes, dude still walked into the FBI Building and attempted to reason with the agent in charge, despite being on a clock for the trip to Chitchen Itza.
Dude is canonically way too quick to talk to law enforcement, and believe the best of them, even with firsthand knowledge of it.
Comes of having one of his closest relationships being with an ethical cop.
2) Here, if he wants to get this shit dropped before it gets to arraignment and eats the next year of his life, he is going to have to establish where he was when the alleged homicide took place. He might refuse to say who he went to see, but the bedrock of his defense is "That couldnt have been me, I was somewhere else at the time, and I can prove it, with records and at least one witness".
So yeah, better than even odds he's going to talk. Thats the only alternative to a trial.
3)Do you really think the NSB/Daedalus ppl are not going to attempt to record lawyer-client discussions between Dresden and Forthill? Yes its illegal. So? They're already planning to use a false murder charge as coercion.
Similarly, do you think the people who did this homicide are not going to do the same thing?
Once he gets the meeting with Forthill we're on the clock, assuming we arent already
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Thats stunt territory. Not vote rewrite stuff.
I could throw together a stunt in ten or twenty minutes addressing this; just need to handle some stuff first.
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Doesn't seem like a stunt to me. It's just being thorough about smaller details that are easily overlooked but still need attention.
1) They don't know who Ebenezar is. They don't know which books are real or not
2) They don't (just) need information on how magic works (in fact, they are not sure if it's magic, given how they are also looking into extraterrestrials). They need "magical world politics 101: who the hell everyone is, and how not to piss off Mab in five easy to follow steps". That's not information easily available in the books
3) Who says that they are not also looking into various printed sources?
[X] Go back to Harry's place, make sure Mouse is well and that no one tried to break in.
-[X] Call home and let Charity know you're watching Harry's apartment for the night since he was kidnapped by the FBI. If she argues, let her hear the recording Clippy made. Ask Michael if he knows any of Harry's friends who might be available to house sit for Harry longer term (such as Thomas, though Molly doesn't know that, IIRC).
--[X] Take a bleach bath to rapidly recover Essence. While you soak, have Clippy go over our route from GPS and public data, and make a list of potential sources of the footage we need organized by probability of having what we need and location. Have everything ready to go when we start looking for that alibi.
---[X] Early the next morning, after securing Harry's apartment as best we can in his absence, we'll head back to Menominee to start looking for that alibi.
-[X] Call home and let Charity know you're watching Harry's apartment for the night since he was kidnapped by the FBI. If she argues, let her hear the recording Clippy made. Ask Michael if he knows any of Harry's friends who might be available to house sit for Harry longer term (such as Thomas, though Molly doesn't know that, IIRC).
--[X] Take a bleach bath to rapidly recover Essence. While you soak, have Clippy go over our route from GPS and public data, and make a list of potential sources of the footage we need organized by probability of having what we need and location. Have everything ready to go when we start looking for that alibi.
---[X] Early the next morning, after securing Harry's apartment as best we can in his absence, we'll head back to Menominee to start looking for that alibi.
1)Its the Feds.
They have the resources to literally brute force this shit if they want. Or to pay people to do so for them.
And the Special Collections people have been doing just that for apparently decades.
2)Thats literally something that a bunch of Venators will tell them.
Minor practitioners in Chicago know enough about the general political layout of the Dresdenverse to run away when Maeve and Lily show up at McAnally's.
The Daedalus people not knowing feels very much like someone on their side made an executive decision to keep them in the dark.
3)If they were, they would know better than to attempt to coerce a full wizard with trumped up charges.
The vampires at least generally use mindcontrol.
Its a lot of fluff being used to establish minor setting details.
Thats more or less the description of a stunt, I think.
Here's the stunt you asked for:
VOTE
[X] Go back to Menominee, start looking for that alibi
[X] [STUNT]:Turning the Beige Wagon west onto US-20, you continue speaking to the phone "Yes mom, I'm going back to Menominee right now.......no, it cant wait till morning. I want to get there and be gone before the killer or his friends think to look.....yes I'll call once Im in the town. Can you ask Dad if there's anyone who can swing by Dresden's apartment and look in on his animals?....Yes I will be careful.... Love you too." Ending the call, you floor the pedal until you're hovering just under the 70mph speed limit, chasing the setting sun as it sinks westward. "Clippy, talk to me."
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Not a great look from the outside.
Or the side side.
Or even a great look from the inside, if your someone like Harry.