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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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The spooks are being heavy-handed and are trying to strongarm folks but we don't want them getting wrecked by angry wizards.

We also don't want them coming away with a bloody nose and stumbling into the clutches of things that could enthrall them.
We don't want the White Court to have more of a control on the movers and shakers of the country.
 
BronzeTongue said:
The FBI's problem here, and the reason that they're so ignorant, is that they seem to be refusing to engage unless they hold all the cards.
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Yeah the FBI seems to be operating under every magic user is a threath/criminal it's not like they could have opened a phonebook and hired Dresden. Best would probably be tellign them to fuckoff with thrumped up charges and just hire dresden like civilized people.
 
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zxzx24 said:
So basically

"Mccoy will fix it with his wizard muscles." Thats hilarious.

You know other people are on the white council right?

Maybe you could try and contact him?

But you want to see scorched earth. So getting the black council guy involved will probably help with that.

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@OctarineShrike catastrophe is the goal of this vote.
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Getting the White Council involved is not a good idea, specifically because Ebeneezer might actually flex his wizard muscles. It's far from guaranteed, but it's not a desirable outcome at all.

Also, as you mentioned, the Senior Council is infiltrated. If the Black Council isn't already aware of the government's supernatural investigation program, this could change that real quick, and not for the better.

Actually making that call to the WC should be our last resort, not the first.
 
What do you think about my addition?

-[] Have Clippy search for highway camera's along the route you drove with Harry today. Let's see if we can find an alibi.

Harry being in two locations ought to look awkward to them.
 
Goldfish said:
Getting the White Council involved is not a good idea, specifically because Ebeneezer might actually flex his wizard muscles. It's far from guaranteed, but it's not a desirable outcome at all.

Also, as you mentioned, the Senior Council is infiltrated. If the Black Council isn't already aware of the government's supernatural investigation program, this could change that real quick, and not for the better.

Actually making that call to the WC should be our last resort, not the first.
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I wish we had used the crown of eyes at the start of this whole cock up. It would have saved Molly a lot of time, Harry a lot of jail time, and Us a lot of updates.

[X] Call Agent Cole with an...offer.
-[X] Find a payphone to use that doesn't have any nearby surveillance cameras.
--[X] Rather than making an offer just yet, however, have Clippy play pack the recorded conversation between Cole and Wright as an introduction.
---[X] Using Clippy to distort our voice, or better yet, having it speak for us, say, "You people seem well-meaning, in that overbearing and ineffectual government way we've all come to expect, but you are so far out of your depth here that it's honestly somewhat disturbing. The last thing you should be doing is alienating potential allies in some ham-handed attempt at gaining leverage on one of the Lawmakers, as you call them."
----[X] "This is your one and only chance to free Harry Dresden and clear his name before the problem escalates out of our control. Otherwise, I will have to bring your operation to the attention of the Lawmakers, and I can promise you they will not take kindly to the state-sanctioned kidnapping and attempted extortion of one of their agents."
-----[X] "It's not too late to avoid permanently damaging any future collaborations between your organization and the Lawmakers, but the longer this goes on, the less forgiving people will be."

[X] Mab. Mab. Mab.
 
zxzx24 said:
That will be very disappointing for those who were hoping to see a second Salem witch trials then. Like that leech from the black council.

@DragonParadox okay. I recommend making it clear what is and isn't a stunt explicitly.
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Stunts should be marked as [Stunt] for the sake of easy counting and recognition. I'll add that on as well.

Sorry for any confusion this may have caused, I am new to the system including the concept of stunts so I did not consider all the implications of how to count them
 
Goldfish said:
Getting the White Council involved is not a good idea, specifically because Ebeneezer might actually flex his wizard muscles. It's far from guaranteed, but it's not a desirable outcome at all.

Also, as you mentioned, the Senior Council is infiltrated. If the Black Council isn't already aware of the government's supernatural investigation program, this could change that real quick, and not for the better.

Actually making that call to the WC should be our last resort, not the first.
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If they were so throughly busted that they couldn't perform basic functions anymore they'd have already lost.

The black council isn't all powerful, and does have limits to what they can force the council as a whole to do.
XenonPrime said:
The spooks are being heavy-handed and are trying to strongarm folks but we don't want them getting wrecked by angry wizards.

We also don't want them coming away with a bloody nose and stumbling into the clutches of things that could enthrall them.
We don't want the White Court to have more of a control on the movers and shakers of the country.
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Why would keeping them ignorant help though? They're just going to find that he's missing and come looking, probably after the gap is exploited by the red court. Then they'll be in an even tighter schedule and we won't be able to ensure we get the story straight from the start.

The white council isn't full of incompetent idiots; hell, I'm pretty sure they had regular check ins for wardens during the vampire war specifically to help deal with covert assaults.

We're on the clock right now, counting down to the moment they get a fragmented image of what happened here and act on it.
 
The way I see it, this world has rules and being goverment-agents does not make you immune to it.

If you enter the supernatural world you have two options:
A: Keep your head down, don't make enemies, learn carefully what is safe and what not and in doubt stay away from things that might be the latter.
B: Don't do that, and trust in your strenght and your allies that you will survive the consequences.

They definitly chose B by abducting a Wizard, so now they get ConsequencesTM.
 
So yes, the White Council could decide to act with wisdom, but we're in the middle of the Red Court war right now. This is a White Council that has bled and is fighting for survival. There are very good odds that the Council as a whole, the Black Council within it, or just McCoy does something stupid in response to this.

BronzeTongue said:
@FriedIce diplomacy is good, but opening by placing them at the advantage is a bad play
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The thing is we don't really need to press the advantage. The FBI has massively fucked up here, but they don't know enough to know that. They don't currently understand why kidnapping Dresden is the huge issue it is - because there's a war going on and Dresden is a military commander.

So just threatening them with telling the Lawmakers won't work - they don't know why that's such a big deal - and is frankly just likely to antagonise them. The point of my write in is to drop a bunch of well known facts in setting to emphasise to them how in over their heads they are.

We're not actually giving them an advantage. We're giving them just enough information to realise how screwed they are.

Edit: or we could summon Mab and make it her problem. Let's just summon Mab.
 
BronzeTongue said:
If they were so throughly busted that they couldn't perform basic functions anymore they'd have already lost.

The black council isn't all powerful, and does have limits to what they can force the council as a whole to do.
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You... really don't know how moles work do you?

It isn't the point to have the black council do anything.

The point is to use their influence on the white council to encourage the white council to make the worst most self destructive decision possible.
 
FriedIce said:
The thing is we don't really need to press the advantage
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This isn't (just) about pressing an advantage on our end. Your vote gives them everything they need to screw us over if they feel like it, and they're in a screw happy mood right now.

You're just trusting that they'll be reasonable and that reasonable translates to good for us.

If you're wrong we have no cover at all.
 
BronzeTongue said:
This isn't (just) about pressing an advantage on our end. Your vote gives them everything they need to screw us over if they feel like it, and they're in a screw happy mood right now.
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I'll have you know that I'm voting to summon Mab.

Anyway, my issue is that your (or Goldfish's) vote doesn't give them any reason to actually do what we say. It just promises terrible yet unspecific repercussions. At least explain that they're actually called the White Council and that there's a war on (which is why kidnapping an agent is so provocative).
 
Yog said:
This is what I am arguing for. This is the actual rational correct thing to do. These people are not even a scummy government conspiracy out to put chips in everyone's head. They are Mulder and Scully trying to get a grip on what the hell is going on and why there are suddenly monsters eating good law abiding american citizens. The "guys, you got a magical cop, during an active investigation into nazi necromancer conspiracy, which might be about to blow up" should at least get us a foot in the door.
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You've neglected to make mention of their initial "go to" method of trying to threaten Harry Dresden with false accusations of murder to try and get him under their thumb.

Good people do not resort to that sort of thing as their first option.
Smart people do not resort to that sort of thing as their first option.


One should attempt the carrot before reaching for the stick.

These people did not and that fact is relevent when considering their intentions, value, and trustworthiness.

They aren't Mulder and Scully. They're the Cigarette Smoking Man.
 
Yeah, the guys in black have not impressed me the least bit. I also think that if they really do know as little as indicated, then they are going to see Molly threatening them and go "Meh, I can take her."

It is why we Really REALLY should not try and threaten them. It is going to result in conflict.
 
You know.

Starting a war between the white council isn't without benefits.

Weakening both of them could be useful if we're planning on taking over. 🤔

BeepSmile said:
You've neglected to make mention of their initial "go to" method of trying to threaten Harry Dresden with false accusations of murder to try and get him under their thumb.

Good people do not resort to that sort of thing as their first option.
Smart people do not resort to that sort of thing as their first option.


One should attempt the carrot before reaching for the stick.

These people did not and that fact is relevent when considering their intentions, value, and trustworthiness.

They aren't Mulder and Scully. They're the Cigarette Smoking Man.
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You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, assuming people would act rationally in their own self interest.

As opposed to letting fear, paranoia, and ignorance drive them.

It's very funny. Especially with everyone trying to figure out what their brilliant 4D chess moves with multiple layers of sock puppetry could be.

But no. They just wanted to hire him :V
 
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Alternatively,

[ ] Ask the Crown 'how can I persuade Agent Wright to release Harry Dresden whilst giving up as little of mine, my family and Harry's personal security and autonomy as possible'
-[ ] Do that.

We have a magic secret finding machine - we could use that. We're probably not going to new 'Harry Dresden locked up by the FBI' or 'FBI Agent Wright' as focuses again.
 
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I mean maybe we should sick mab on them… then when they know how outclassed they are we swoop in and save them… I mean come on guys we can ~totally~ take her! Then when they see that a minor is needed to save them we hold all the cards…(totally not sarcasm by the way cough, cough)
 
FriedIce said:
Alternatively,

[ ] Ask the Crown 'how can I persuade Agent Wright to release Harry Dresden whilst giving up as little of mine, my family and Harry's personal security and autonomy as possible'
-[ ] Do that.
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The Crown doesn't work like that. It can give factual information, not solutions to complex problems.
 
FriedIce said:
Alternatively,

[ ] Ask the Crown 'how can I persuade Agent Wright to release Harry Dresden whilst giving up as little of mine, my family and Harry's personal security and autonomy as possible'
-[ ] Do that.

We have a magic secret finding machine - we could use that. We're probably not going to new 'Harry Dresden locked up by the FBI' or 'FBI Agent Wright' as focuses again.
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No solutions. Only Gasoline.

Katzen sind life said:
I mean maybe we should sick mab on them… then when they know how outclassed they are we swoop in and save them… I mean come on guys we can ~totally~ take her! Then when they see that a minor is needed to save them we hold all the cards…(totally not sarcasm by the way cough, cough)
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Also Mab is very stylish, and probably cold enough to trigger without honor without hope.

Goldfish said:
The Crown doesn't work like that. It can give factual information, not solutions to complex problems.
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It wouldt work, but because of free will not whatever you said. It could definetly tell us how to solve a Rubix cube or program a computer.
 
zxzx24 said:
You know.

Starting a war between the white council isn't without benefits.

Weakening both of them could be useful if we're planning on taking over. 🤔
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What war?

McCoy has literally made cities dissapear, making one office dissapear is a comaparativly small task.

Edit From the Wiki:
McCoy caused the New Madrid earthquakes in 1811-1812. He caused Krakatoa to erupt in 1883, and the Tunguska event in 1908,[2]​ when he presumably killed a dragon.[11]​
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Goldfish said:
The only faith I have in the White Council, at least in regards to this situation, is that there is a high chance they'll decide to do something drastic. That's kinda a wizard specialty, and they can make it look like an accident or a coincidence, too. Especially Ebeneezer...

It's why I would rather threaten to contact them, in hopes of securing Harry's release, before we actually make that call.
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I... kinda wanna see drastic happen to these jackboot wearing footsoldiers of the state. :p
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Anyway, I have a mechanics question. Now that the scene has ended, has our "count of Essence expenditure until Anima flares" reset to zero, of does that count carry over until sun up?

'cuz if its at zero then after we make a phone call to the priest, but before talking to anyone we don't trust to be friendly; maybe take a bleach bath? IIRC, we have bleach at Harry's house.
she replenishes her Essence as though she were resting in a Dragon Nest and heals all bashing damage or one level of lethal damage every fifteen minutes
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Also, am asking the rate of Essence replenishment we get from this.
 
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