Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

zxzx24 · Aug 25, 2022

@DragonParadox tell us now if your going to tack on calling the white council if just calling father forthil wins. You've been playing silly games with the tally for much of this quest and you should start telling us this stuff before the vote closes in 30 minutes.

That said.

Holy fuck you guys. Don't call the white council? You do remember they regularly murder children right? What do you think their reaction here is going to be.

Yog · Aug 25, 2022

Remember, any confrontation between White Council and pretty much anyone else helps Red Court.

Goldfish · Aug 25, 2022

zxzx24 said:
@DragonParadox tell us now if your going to tack on calling the white council if just calling father forthil wins. You've been playing silly games with the tally for much of this quest and you should start telling us this stuff before the vote closes in 30 minutes.

I think he's been pretty consistent with only using the actual winning vote so far? At least I can't think of any examples where similar votes with different assets were used together or in place of one another?

zxzx24 · Aug 25, 2022

Yog said:
Remember, any confrontation between White Council and pretty much anyone else helps Red Court.

This is exactly what they are hoping for, and almost certainly what they are going to get. Especially if we just yell to an authority we know is compromised.

LightLan · Aug 25, 2022

Goldfish said:
I think he's been pretty consistent with only using the actual winning vote so far? At least I can't think of any examples where similar votes with different assets were used together or in place of one another?

Ye, he only added stunts. Which give bonus dice.

Katzen sind life · Aug 25, 2022

Okay most votes just say IF the white council can be contacted! Maybe the good father can give us a better alternative? Let's just calm down guys…

zxzx24 · Aug 25, 2022

Goldfish said:
Not really. The two "What's the answer worth to you?" options are different votes. That's how it's been handled so far, at least for previous votes when there were similar votes with different adders included.

DragonParadox said:
Hmm... it does not seem to be a stunt so much as an addition with the intent to change the direction of the conversation so... yeah OK I guessed has it. Vote closed.

I think we might have to clarify voting rules and put it in the front page though.

Vote closed.

Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 25, 2022 at 6:04 AM, finished with 89 posts and 34 votes.

12 people have voted

[X] "I guessed," you glibly answer to see if you can get more answers out of a rise

LightLan

Paloneia

恐Drake

No7sHere

Fehu

lord2trp0522

Parzival95

uju32

OctarineShrike

Goldfish

Yzarc

Prospalz

7 people have voted

[X] "What's the answer worth to you?" Usum suggests trying to cut some kind of deal and he claims step one of that is showing you have power and are not minded to reveal it for free.

Katzen sind life

Olgol2

Wwind

BeepSmile

Klaus Wulfenback

Artemis1992

zxzx24

6 people have voted

[X] "What's the answer worth to you?" Usum suggests trying to cut some kind of deal and he claims step one of that is showing you have power and are not minded to reveal it for free.
-[X] "And what's me not speaking any louder worth?" you whisper conspiratorially.

Luca Nox

Yog

bengalqueen

TonedMite

FriedIce

Nightlord256

4 people have voted

[X] "You just told me" you reply with grin.

012345

SCO

veekie

Silent Optics

2 people have voted

[X] Molly smirks, and turns her head away, obviously finished with the conversation.

the DragonBard

BronzeTongue

1 people have voted

[X] "I plead the fifth." You know your rights!

Angelazreal1

1 people have voted

[X] "Friends in high places. Or should I say, distant places?" you ask, baiting him to reveal what he knows and what he guesses.

Exmorri

1 people have voted

[X] "You just told me" you reply with grin.
- [X] "So why are you serving a murder warrant?"

Tiz Goldeneye

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@Goldfish

reality deviant · Aug 25, 2022

[X] Go to Father Forthil like your dad suggested, see if there is anything he can do for Harry
-[X] Ask if the white council can be contacted ASAP!

Artemis1992 · Aug 25, 2022

zxzx24 said:
@DragonParadox tell us now if your going to tack on calling the white council if just calling father forthil wins. You've been playing silly games with the tally for much of this quest and you should start telling us this stuff before the vote closes in 30 minutes.

That said.

Holy fuck you guys. Don't call the white council? You do remember they regularly murder children right? What do you think their reaction here is going to be.

I hope they shut down the office,kill anyone who knows too much and remove the records from existance.

BronzeTongue · Aug 25, 2022

[X] Goldfish

[X] Go to Father Forthil like your dad suggested, see if there is anything he can do for Harry
-[X] Ask if the white council can be contacted ASAP!

[X] Go to Father Forthil like your dad suggested, see if there is anything he can do for Harry

Yog said:
Remember, any confrontation between White Council and pretty much anyone else helps Red Court.

So does taking a regional commander off the board and keeping him from contacting them.

They need to know as soon as possible so they can shift their command structure around before the next crisis.

These guys' desire to play biggest fish in the pond instead of being more subtle is going to get people killed.

zxzx24 · Aug 25, 2022

@Artemis1992 Appreciate the sentiment, but that's exactly what the red court is hoping to get from this. As little as strategic objectives mean when we're angry.

Also we could do that much faster than the white council... probably. Would wanna get that evidence obliterating Kakuri charm though.

Artemis1992 · Aug 25, 2022

[X] Go to Father Forthil like your dad suggested, see if there is anything he can do for Harry
-[X] Ask if the white council can be contacted ASAP!

Goldfish · Aug 25, 2022

zxzx24 said:
@Goldfish

Those were two very different votes, though? Just because they started the same doesn't mean that option should win, not when they finished so differently.

zxzx24 · Aug 25, 2022

Man the cup suddenly runneth over with faith in the white council huh?

Where'd all the cynicism go?

This isn't even a vote I particularly care about, but it is a funny attitude shift.

[X] Mab. Mab. Mab.

And then there were twooo...

Artemis1992 · Aug 25, 2022

zxzx24 said:
Man the cup suddenly runneth over with faith in the white council huh?

Where'd all the cynicism go?

This isn't even a vote I particularly care about, but it is a funny attitude shift.

McCoy has an excellent track-record in removing problems.
Up to and including volcanic solutions.

I don't trust the WC to act morally in most cases, but I trust them to protect their own.

sasza666 · Aug 25, 2022

[X] Go to Father Forthil like your dad suggested, see if there is anything he can do for Harry
-[X] Ask if the white council can be contacted ASAP!

LightLan · Aug 25, 2022

Some of those guys are old enough to remember the Witch Hunts.

Which explains their attitudes toward governments.

Goldfish · Aug 25, 2022

zxzx24 said:
Man the cup suddenly runneth over with faith in the white council huh?

Where'd all the cynicism go?

This isn't even a vote I particularly care about, but it is a funny attitude shift.

The only faith I have in the White Council, at least in regards to this situation, is that there is a high chance they'll decide to do something drastic. That's kinda a wizard specialty, and they can make it look like an accident or a coincidence, too. Especially Ebeneezer...

It's why I would rather threaten to contact them, in hopes of securing Harry's release, before we actually make that call.

FriedIce · Aug 25, 2022

Look. The White Council is going to assume this is a Red Court ploy and overreact. We know this.

The Church might be more able to help - if only because the FBI stumbling onto the masquerade is something they've probably dealt with similar cases of in other places. A Cardinal calling up the FBI to explain the basics of what's going on could go a long way, but they might not be prepared to get involved. Bailing out a Wizard from what looks to be a Red Court scheme looks a lot like taking a side in the war.

Clearly, the best option is to summon Mab and barter with her for Dresden's safety.

(Seriously though, can we please try diplomacy?)

OctarineShrike · Aug 25, 2022

If the White council does something too drastic that could mean the Library of Congress's people get involved and they are bad news. Lara Raith is wary of them and the signatories of the Unseelie accords in general consider them to be a significant threat.

zxzx24 · Aug 25, 2022

So basically

"Mccoy will fix it with his wizard muscles." Thats hilarious.

You know other people are on the white council right?

Maybe you could try and contact him?

But you want to see scorched earth. So getting the black council guy involved will probably help with that.

Edit:
@OctarineShrike catastrophe is the goal of this vote.

DragonParadox · Aug 25, 2022

Speaking of spent Essence, I just remembered you learned a valuable secret, that's +2 Essence, you are at 6

BronzeTongue · Aug 25, 2022

Goldfish said:
The only faith I have in the White Council, at least in regards to this situation, is that there is a high chance they'll decide to do something drastic. That's kinda a wizard specialty, and they can make it look like an accident or a coincidence, too. Especially Ebeneezer...

It's why I would rather threaten to contact them, in hopes of securing Harry's release, before we actually make that call.

They are capable of subtlety; most wizards prefer it over acting like Dresden.

My thought is that they'll take action, but not something like knocking over the facility they're keeping him in.

The council has a diplomatic arm, which is much less costly and messy to use than force.

The FBI's problem here, and the reason that they're so ignorant, is that they seem to be refusing to engage unless they hold all the cards. Putting them in a situation where they get a proper liaison would help break that dangerous rut, and get them vital information about how the world works.

Edit:
@FriedIce diplomacy is good, but opening by placing them at the advantage is a bad play.

Nothing we've seen implies they'll do anything but exploit it.

DragonParadox · Aug 25, 2022

zxzx24 said:
@DragonParadox tell us now if your going to tack on calling the white council if just calling father forthil wins. You've been playing silly games with the tally for much of this quest and you should start telling us this stuff before the vote closes in 30 minutes.

That said.

Holy fuck you guys. Don't call the white council? You do remember they regularly murder children right? What do you think their reaction here is going to be.

OK I'm going to make a rule clear

If something is a stunt, that is a means of doing something then the favored stunt is chosen
If something is an addition to the vote that significantly changes what you do uses other resources or closes off options, like calling the While Council that is going to need a majority

@Goldfish heads up on that.

zxzx24 · Aug 25, 2022

That will be very disappointing for those who were hoping to see a second Salem witch trials then. Like that leech from the black council.

@DragonParadox okay. I recommend making it clear what is and isn't a stunt explicitly.

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