K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
- Location
- Belgium
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- He
[X] Do Not Complete the Plants
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Well, let's think it over, there are four colored dots.
Blue: Earth
Red:
Green:
Purple:
And the wavey orange Scrin Adventure LineTM!
Purple might indicate potential threatening civilizations instead of Scrin bases/systems. But I doubt it.
Red is super numerous all over the galaxy.
And the Scrin have been around for awhile doing their thing.
- Location
- MSC
If we're gonna do Fusion refits, are they gonna be a staged project or one big project?
- Location
- Somewhere between the stars
[X] Do Not Complete the Plants
I'd rather have the PS than not in this case. With military factory being primary consumer of electricity, and most of them suggesting we should start properly researching next gen tech, i don't forsee that much upcoming consumtion.
And most likely that means we will get better energy option that isn't dangerous nor have political costs. I wanted first stage for the liquid tiberium experiment but overall i don't feel like second is worth the cost.
Especially since PS with Seo do directly translate to research which may include better energy option, atop of fact that having a postive surplus never hurts
I'd rather have the PS than not in this case. With military factory being primary consumer of electricity, and most of them suggesting we should start properly researching next gen tech, i don't forsee that much upcoming consumtion.
And most likely that means we will get better energy option that isn't dangerous nor have political costs. I wanted first stage for the liquid tiberium experiment but overall i don't feel like second is worth the cost.
Especially since PS with Seo do directly translate to research which may include better energy option, atop of fact that having a postive surplus never hurts
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Suffice to say that I think it's premature for us to make decisions about that, because otherwise there's considerable risk of people feeling premature pressure for spinoff departments whose effects might be bad for us.
The Citadel races are probably beneath the notice of the Visitors since all they care about is Tib and they'd dismiss the Citadel races are merely another batch of ignorant dead walking imo. Since the Visitors probably saw countless cycles of Reaper harvests.
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Hmmm, what of importance to the Visitors in Mass Effect could be regularly distributed all throughout the galaxy.
Asmodemus
Subversive Element
Ah, of course!
It's a list of Culver's locations out in the galaxy. No one can resist those milkshakes.
My thoughts on it being tiberium related was way off.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Reaction Post:
Uh I have 145/255 instead of 135/245 there in my mathpost:
I'm not sure what is happening here. Help?
OK I think I get this now. NOD is in on the gain from Yellow and Red Zones now, Stahl got a Cyan Zone of his own this turn on the map, and GDI is making small gains in Green Zones directly from the Red Zones now.
Um no, not unless we got some extra refugees this turn:
You're missing the +4 Housing from Yellow Zone Fortress Towns we completed this turn:
Also:
Can someone find the +5 Consumer Goods I missed this turn please? And:
Why do we now have 20 points of Red Zone Abatement as a plan goal when we had 18 Points at the start of this very turn and did 3 Points of Red Zone Abatement this turn? Did it reset for some political in-universe reason?
Oh great we may have to deal with Rapture GDI Edition down the line.
We got +50 to project completion from that NAT 1. It was 350 at the start of the turn.
Probably one of the best results of that NAT 1 we could have gotten as it will provide us with better medical practices relating to refugees in the long run.
Uh I have 145/255 instead of 135/245 there in my mathpost:
I'm not sure what is happening here. Help?
OK I think I get this now. NOD is in on the gain from Yellow and Red Zones now, Stahl got a Cyan Zone of his own this turn on the map, and GDI is making small gains in Green Zones directly from the Red Zones now.
Um no, not unless we got some extra refugees this turn:
You're missing the +4 Housing from Yellow Zone Fortress Towns we completed this turn:
Also:
Can someone find the +5 Consumer Goods I missed this turn please? And:
Why do we now have 20 points of Red Zone Abatement as a plan goal when we had 18 Points at the start of this very turn and did 3 Points of Red Zone Abatement this turn? Did it reset for some political in-universe reason?
Oh great we may have to deal with Rapture GDI Edition down the line.
We got +50 to project completion from that NAT 1. It was 350 at the start of the turn.
Probably one of the best results of that NAT 1 we could have gotten as it will provide us with better medical practices relating to refugees in the long run.
[X] Complete the Plants
- Location
- Sweden
[X] Complete the Plants
- Location
- Zvornik
You Must Construct Additional Pylons
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[X] Complete the Plants
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[X] Complete the Plants
[X] Complete the Plants
Mostly because I don't want the vulnerability of letting the plant partially built to be attacked by Nod and I don't think we will built another one for at least several years.
Looking at the Projet Vision map if the orange line is some sort of Visitor's hyperlane then the purple triangle are probably their depot's centers/industrials centers because most are either near the hyperlanes or equidistant between 2 (+ 2 near the galaxy center and one in the far Northern fringe of the galaxy map). You can also remark than except the 2 in the north fringe all the purple triangle are far from the red dots.
The blue point is Earth and I think Green dots are current Visitor's Tiberium mining operations.
While writing this I'm starting to asking myself if The Visitor's homeworld (or at least the center of their current empire) isn't in this Northern fringe because they are the only dots who don't follow the patern of the rest and all of the green dots are also in the Galaxy North so are probably nearer than otherwise from the industrial center of the Visitor's empire.
I looked up Mass Effect map to refresh myself and the homeworld of most Citadel Races are in the Galaxy West so they aren't the green dot either.
The red dots should be the Mass Relays systems since they are more or less disperse accross the whole galaxy.
And the Visitors look to know about the relays and are trying to never go near them if they can so they ever know or suspect their trap nature.
Mostly because I don't want the vulnerability of letting the plant partially built to be attacked by Nod and I don't think we will built another one for at least several years.
Looking at the Projet Vision map if the orange line is some sort of Visitor's hyperlane then the purple triangle are probably their depot's centers/industrials centers because most are either near the hyperlanes or equidistant between 2 (+ 2 near the galaxy center and one in the far Northern fringe of the galaxy map). You can also remark than except the 2 in the north fringe all the purple triangle are far from the red dots.
The blue point is Earth and I think Green dots are current Visitor's Tiberium mining operations.
While writing this I'm starting to asking myself if The Visitor's homeworld (or at least the center of their current empire) isn't in this Northern fringe because they are the only dots who don't follow the patern of the rest and all of the green dots are also in the Galaxy North so are probably nearer than otherwise from the industrial center of the Visitor's empire.
I looked up Mass Effect map to refresh myself and the homeworld of most Citadel Races are in the Galaxy West so they aren't the green dot either.
The red dots should be the Mass Relays systems since they are more or less disperse accross the whole galaxy.
And the Visitors look to know about the relays and are trying to never go near them if they can so they ever know or suspect their trap nature.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
[X] Complete the Plants
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- He/Him
See, even Kanediciple approves of building the plants, it must be a genius idea. PEACE THROUGH POWER THROUGH LIQUID TIBERIUM DECAY!
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Ithillid usually does call votes when he's good and ready to if there's a clear winner, which in this case there is.
However, it was not a foregone conclusion that "build 'em" would be winning; we might have decided to keep the 10 Political Support.
A similar issue came up with Emergency CRP, an action where we could have gotten Phase 2 with the same die we used to get Phase 1 if we'd been "lucky," but where that would have just resulted in massive overcompletion of the Stored Food target at the price of losing Political Support... not great.
So I feel it rather important to complete the Monitor Development relatively soon. What with the assault ships not requiring shipyards of their own to produce.
Not to say that I wouldn't also vote for some more drydocks being put down if it helped get the assault ships out quicker. They seem to be interchangeable with the escort carrier slips after all. More of those long term doesn't hurt, especially since it means we get them out more quickly as well.
I would still like to complete the last yellow zone fortress towns action. It is at 93 out of 300 so it could be completed with 2 dice perhaps? I don't trust NOD to not build up and masterstroke us before this end of this 4 year plan. If Kane doesn't approach the negotiation table that is near certain to be what he would do for a number of reasons.
CCFP, the fusion plants, are going to follow the stand down method that the refit for the Tiberium processing plants followed. We lose their production until their refits complete. So we are going to want a healthy reserve in one of our most sought after economic issues. While going into a major economic growth plan that is going to eat into that just as badly as the military production did this last plan.
AAD, the alloy development, holds potential. Especially since venus style Tiberium seems to provide more STU's at every 50 rather then every 100 income from it. Overall something to look forward to investing into.
BSF, Bergen, is one of those investments we will want to continue until completion by the end of this next four year plan. It will likely directly effect the cost of our new fusion plants and other such new investments. Also major industry growth four year plan so it fits.
Looks like the Food Stockpile idiot is at it again. Fine whatever. was hoping we could finally build up our actual food surplus into the +20's or even +30's while also using agriculture as a way to boost our other economic issues like health and energy but looks like that isn't an option again...
Space stuff is going to require a lot more investment before we can really even start in on the space stations. We need those two done before we really start in on finishing them so I forsee invesment into those dice with any left over put into space debris clean up?
The human genetic engineering project looks like it will have follow up investment opportunities. Likely to be expensive research but then turning around into inexpensive deployment if I an reading this right? Which is an interesting reversal of the usual methodology? Looking forward to that!
Zone Armor is going to continue to be a major investment goal. Get the first line fully implemented and complete the research on it to get some rather massive gains afterwards.
Finally looking forward to the strategic defense build up this plan. Being able to shoot down nukes aimed at strategic locations is a definite future goal. Wonder if we can get it as a plan goal as well? Maybe undercut the food storage retard by offering him them instead? If there is no chance of nuclear detonation on food production then it gets rid of his worries about nuclear threats on the food production methods.
Not to say that I wouldn't also vote for some more drydocks being put down if it helped get the assault ships out quicker. They seem to be interchangeable with the escort carrier slips after all. More of those long term doesn't hurt, especially since it means we get them out more quickly as well.
I would still like to complete the last yellow zone fortress towns action. It is at 93 out of 300 so it could be completed with 2 dice perhaps? I don't trust NOD to not build up and masterstroke us before this end of this 4 year plan. If Kane doesn't approach the negotiation table that is near certain to be what he would do for a number of reasons.
CCFP, the fusion plants, are going to follow the stand down method that the refit for the Tiberium processing plants followed. We lose their production until their refits complete. So we are going to want a healthy reserve in one of our most sought after economic issues. While going into a major economic growth plan that is going to eat into that just as badly as the military production did this last plan.
AAD, the alloy development, holds potential. Especially since venus style Tiberium seems to provide more STU's at every 50 rather then every 100 income from it. Overall something to look forward to investing into.
BSF, Bergen, is one of those investments we will want to continue until completion by the end of this next four year plan. It will likely directly effect the cost of our new fusion plants and other such new investments. Also major industry growth four year plan so it fits.
Looks like the Food Stockpile idiot is at it again. Fine whatever. was hoping we could finally build up our actual food surplus into the +20's or even +30's while also using agriculture as a way to boost our other economic issues like health and energy but looks like that isn't an option again...
Space stuff is going to require a lot more investment before we can really even start in on the space stations. We need those two done before we really start in on finishing them so I forsee invesment into those dice with any left over put into space debris clean up?
The human genetic engineering project looks like it will have follow up investment opportunities. Likely to be expensive research but then turning around into inexpensive deployment if I an reading this right? Which is an interesting reversal of the usual methodology? Looking forward to that!
Zone Armor is going to continue to be a major investment goal. Get the first line fully implemented and complete the research on it to get some rather massive gains afterwards.
Finally looking forward to the strategic defense build up this plan. Being able to shoot down nukes aimed at strategic locations is a definite future goal. Wonder if we can get it as a plan goal as well? Maybe undercut the food storage retard by offering him them instead? If there is no chance of nuclear detonation on food production then it gets rid of his worries about nuclear threats on the food production methods.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
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Simon...I've been in this thread the whole time, maybe not as often as before, but I'm still here. I know about the CRT overoll issues. At this point I'm going to wait for the CRT to lose it's PS costs before deploying it because that gives us a good gauge of how well built up our food storage infrastructure is.
Edit: To avoid a double post:
And what number on the Scrin gacha is this? I imagine @Void Stalker would at least like to know if no one else.
Simon we have:
So 2150/4 = 537.5 from just the Tiberium production.
Then we add Space Mining since it's all ours for another plan and on top of that a quarter of Taxation and Maintenance Reductions:
537.5+100+(30+40)/4 = 655 is the minimum amount of resources we start working with. If the Maintenance Reductions are in-house only then we have 685 resources to work with. And that is before:
Edit 2: 655+245-100 (banking) = 800 685+245-100 (banking) = 830 Either way we are dealing with enough resources for multiple turns of full dice activation if we husband them properly until our Tib income has been rebuilt.
What is up your math in this post? Even with just using the quarter of Tiberium Income + Space Mining I get 640 not 635. Why are you rounding down instead of up?
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