Forerunner Materials are hardier than you think, and there are a lot of Relics and other things from that era on Earth than even we saw in the series' or books, just needs more time to be fully seen, not only this but the Forerunners had some rather ridiculous MatSci going on so I dunno if Tib would even be capable of eating something like a Meta Material?
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I'm a bit surprised you're reacting like this. We've gotten news that new fusion plants aren't viable and you're like "Great!" Then you get news we can have +10 energy today and you're like 'nah' when we have news that our fusion plants need to be taken offline to rebuild them sometime next plan. I would think that doing refits would require a pretty significant power reserve to ride, especially if we have significant private sector power use in the next plan. I wouldn't expect you to feel safe doing fusion plant refits with a mere +33 power if that turns into a +1 for the turn we do refits because two phases of fusion plants might go offline in the same turn.
Our CCF plants have a total of 2 years before we start seeing them offline, maximum, it could be earlier with how they've been read out as, so having some extra energy for that "Oh Shit" moment when we don't have the room besides literally tossing everything into Red Zone Energy Refits or Bergen or both at the same time to recover from a spiral, would be needed, on top of the fact we have 9 phases and 144 Energy we would need to refit over the next 6 years, making this a VERY fun problem
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We have an excess in PS currently, I find it unlikely that we'll need to spend more then 50 of it in Reallocation, so I'm not particularly concerned about losing 10 of it now for 10 Energy. Especially to further secure our Energy surplus for the coming turns of R scarcity. Especially when we expect to get a whole bunch of PS early in the next plan from Columbia and Shala. The first three phases of each give 20 PS, Thats a pretty solid 40 PS in exchange for two turns of Orbital Investment. Since we expect to go for both of those in the first year of the Plan, PS is going to be less of a concern, even in the short term. Whereas Energy is always a concern. Admittedly I do not think additional Liquid Tib plants are going to be desired do to the escalating PS costs, but it is a useful stop gap to tide the economy over while we reestablish our income. Also 16*9=144 Energy needing to be refitted is going to be a huge ask. the sooner we can get a sufficient surplus to start off lining plants and executing the refits the better.
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I won't be surprised if the demand for more ships built with the existing yards opens a new option to build one more escort carrier yard than would otherwise be called for. Sort of like how apparently us doing the Governor-A deployment is likely to involve us building another cruiser yard or two.
Yes, and no. The good news is, we'll have more time to adjust than I'd feared, and only some of the plants are in danger of failing in a hurry.
The catch is that reading between the lines, we're going to be committed to major Heavy Industry projects to refit the existing fusion plants and build some replacements, which means we have to be very careful not to overcommit ourselves in Heavy Industry (or to sign away the resources we need to get things done there).
For now, on Earth, the prospect is too vulnerable to Nod attack. Big single point of failure, very big target. We might see one built on the moon, though, which is easier to do anyway.
Necratoid? Are you doing the thing where you deliberately pick a mental model of what the stored food situation looks like that justifies calling politicians total idiots again?
Because please stop doing that.
First, 3-to-2, not 3-to-1. Second, you do not know what one unit of Stored Food means, in terms of "how many people can this feed for a month?" This has never been made clear, and it's not at ALL obvious that it's "one unit of Stored Food to replace one unit of regular Food production for one turn."
For all we know, the existing stockpile is enough to last for 8-12 months and what's being asked of us, while ambitious, is not out of the question in the medium to long term.
GDI populations tend to live in environmentally sealed, heavily built structures. If Nod's concentrating its nuclear attacks on industrial targets (likely, since they would need to cripple GDI's war machine to stop it from just totally massacring them all in the aftermath of their nuclear strikes)... Well, you might see a surprisingly disproportionate number of civilian survivors. That certainly seems to be what happened in 2050. Tib War III killed a lot of people but the war was even more destructive to GDI's industrial base than it was to the population, as far as I can tell.
More generally, don't assume someone is an idiot based on math you just made up.
I'm not thrilled that they need overhauls, but I am thrilled that the timeframe on the overhauls is "get this shit done in 2-3 years," not "there are dozens of ticking bombs all over your territory and each one is a regional blackout waiting to happen, start panicking now."
Meanwhile, the extra +10 Energy is not free; we pay for it in -10 PS that we might actually want very soon. I'd be just as happy to wait on it for a while and spend a last Tiberium die on it in, like 2062Q3 or whatever, honestly.
Either you're using information I don't have (please share it) or you're making significant assumptions about the nature and scale of the refit project.
Personally, I'm content to relax and await developments, because I have no intention of starting fusion power refits in 2062Q1 when we could be doing electric car factories instead.
How are you going from "the very first ones start failing in 2066" to "shit, gotta do this in two years" when the current date is late 2061?
Don't get me wrong, I want those plants refit by then, but that's not our deadline here.
Anyway, I don't want to get screamed at for being the one guy voting not to complete the plants, so... I dunno, whatever. Abstain, I guess.
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Not sure we need the Monitors, honestly? We're not lacking for fires to prep a beachhead.
Happy Birthday C&C2 Tibeirum Sun. Turned 23 this week (or Saturday, depending on what release day you go by).
In all fairness, the Firestorm barrier is over complicated, energy hogging late 2020s tech that, combined with Sparkle Shields, can defend against 2040s era weaponry with less energy required. Give it some more work and time, and we might get a non-energy intensive system that's highly useful against Nod. I wonder if we can integrate sonics into the system. Firestorm containment lines in the Deep Red?
Huh? The shittiest, oldest fusion plants are going to start failing in 2066. That's 4 years away. And the more modern tranches are good into the 2070's. We've got an entire FYP to get ahead of the problem before it even starts to bite, I don't know where you got 2 years from.
so what is it though? do we not know what it is?
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What would be amazing to be added to the quest is research into direct energy conversion technology.
That way we don't need to use the heat generated from fusion to make steam from water to make power. This would make fusion plants almost entirely safe and non-explosive.
And for the fusion power plants aging, why not just start decommissioning and replacing them one by one when we complete research into better fusion?
That way we don't need to use the heat generated from fusion to make steam from water to make power. This would make fusion plants almost entirely safe and non-explosive.
And for the fusion power plants aging, why not just start decommissioning and replacing them one by one when we complete research into better fusion?
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Because I think that spending the 10PS now is worthwhile to not have to spend a Tib die later on - those will be immensely useful for... basically forever.
And yeah, as I understand it, once we get the next-gen fusion development, we are likely to be getting fusion plant refit projects to upgrade them.
Because I think that spending the 10PS now is worthwhile to not have to spend a Tib die later on - those will be immensely useful for... basically forever.
Nice... but no idea what it means.
More seariously, it might be the whole of our Visitortech research project, or it may be a specific project under that umbrella, which has found something that includes that image/map. If it follows the pattern for many loretechs, more may well be following.
Direct Energy Conversion is not something that is included in C&C's techbases, to my knowledge. We're limited by the source material.
And yeah, as I understand it, once we get the next-gen fusion development, we are likely to be getting fusion plant refit projects to upgrade them.
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Yup. And where Energy Shields are, there is the path to the Greatest Weapon in the Halo Franchise
...now I have a mental image of the Portal at Voi just...sitting there, in the middle of Kenya, beneath a roiling maelstrom of Tiberium, surrounded on all sides by the angry, crackling green rock that consumes all that it touches.
And it is Pristeen. A staggeringly immense construct of gleaming, beautiful silver metal, inexplicably untouched by this great, destructive force that wraps it up like a wrathful serpent seeking prey, and yet it remains.
Unchanged.
Unbowed.
Waiting, patiently, for the Reclaimers to arrive and claim the birthright laid out for them by the Penitent Thieves, long reduced to so much stardust.
Yup. And where Energy Shields are, there is the path to the Greatest Weapon in the Halo Franchise
...now I have a mental image of the Portal at Voi just...sitting there, in the middle of Kenya, beneath a roiling maelstrom of Tiberium, surrounded on all sides by the angry, crackling green rock that consumes all that it touches.
And it is Pristeen. A staggeringly immense construct of gleaming, beautiful silver metal, inexplicably untouched by this great, destructive force that wraps it up like a wrathful serpent seeking prey, and yet it remains.
Unchanged.
Unbowed.
Waiting, patiently, for the Reclaimers to arrive and claim the birthright laid out for them by the Penitent Thieves, long reduced to so much stardust.
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Where did it all go wrong?
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True, but it is a real world thing that has been studied and tested since the 1960s.
Since the Tib C&C is something like our own world with Tiberium appearing in 1995 it is not much of a stretch to say that such a thing is GDI databases.
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Wait till you find Precursor Remnants, that shit is whack, though it'd mostly be in the Magellanic Clouds or Extragalactic at this point, most if not all was wiped by the Halo Array firing
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Yes, if we could do that, but that's an entirely fanciful technology, so I wouldn't assume it's an option.
That's... pretty much the plan, though we'll be able to start sooner and proceed more confidently if we have a thicker Energy buffer.
What, direct energy conversion? No, that's not something that's a real technology under study. What are you talking about?
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Ah. So it's a proposal for fusion reactors in particular.
Fair enough.
I was thinking you meant something more abstract (and, correspondingly, impractical)
Fair enough.
I was thinking you meant something more abstract (and, correspondingly, impractical)
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Nope just a better means of improving the safety and power output of our fusion reactors.
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Mostly because they have been running into practical issues. There are a few different programs currently out there doing stuff, but none have so far produced something that can actually be run up the pole to a Treasury Director, even one who would throw resources at fixing the problems like Seo is.
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Something that has been bugging me for awhile now.
Are there any projects for studying how far down tiberium has reached into the planet?
If it gets deep enough to reach the mantle or even worse outer core, we are looking at a literal dying planet.
Are there any projects for studying how far down tiberium has reached into the planet?
If it gets deep enough to reach the mantle or even worse outer core, we are looking at a literal dying planet.