Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

So, for our first smart device - how about a pair of improved gameboys for Daniel and Lydia? Longer battery power, internet connectivity, improved AI in games and a hidden demon that would report supernatural events around it, and alert us if its owner was in danger.
We can't actually make devices better.

We have neither mundane tech-skill to improve things nor the fetish-binding spells or charms to make really magical devices.

The only thing we can do with Hollow Mind Possession is taking control of smart devices (and incidentally they are protected from techbane-effects due to the demon inside).
 
So, for our first smart device - how about a pair of improved gameboys for Daniel and Lydia? Longer battery power, internet connectivity, improved AI in games and a hidden demon that would report supernatural events around it, and alert us if its owner was in danger.
We cannot improve tech only take control of it and that too is limited by our dice as we only have 4 dice to roll, 6 with a stunt and no excellency and will be affected by -1 as it is not a Key Ability.

We would need to invest further into it if we want to make consistant use and buy more charms if we want to make magic devices.
 
I know it's too late for this, since the update dropped just after I went to sleep, but I'll still try for a plan of my own.

[X] Plan Survivability and Demonic social
-[X] +1 Essence Gives two more motes to cap; May spent 2 Essence in one round; unlocks Shintai form 8 XP
-[X] The Hell of Burrowing Maggots Charm: Demonic Primacy of Essence (•): Lesser Creatures of Darkness recognize your dread majesty making it easier to sway them. All social rolls with such beings reduced by 2. 4 XP
-[X] Lanka Charm: Viridian Legend Exoskeleton: Gives highest of Strength, Stamina and Charisma in Soak for one scene for 1 Essence. 6xp


I don't believe Charred Sinner Renewal is essential right now.
So far we've had many more days to heal and recover Essence between fights than we strickly needed.
And now E2 gives us more Essence each morning.
Also VLE will help us avoid taking damage, so that needs less recovery too.

I want the Demonic Primacy of Essence, because it can be very useful to command lesser CoDs.
Back against the werewolves we could have possibly stopped them in their tracks with this charm, because Molly already rolls high on Intimidation and lowered difficulty makes a big difference.
Besides that, we can easily influence lesser spirits, Winter Fey, Vampires and so on with this.
Avoiding fights is often better than winning them and all that.

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[X] Plan Survivability and Recovery

Still voting this too, because I doubt my chances to win.
 
[X] Plan Survivability and Appearance
-[X] +1 Essence Gives two more motes to cap; May spent 2 Essence in one round; unlocks Shintai form 8 XP
-[X] +1 Appearance, with practice and with will you take on a guise less strange, less eerie 4 XP
-[X] Lanka Charm: Viridian Legend Exoskeleton:
Gives highest of Strength, Stamina and Charisma in Soak for one scene for 1 Essence. 6xp

[] Plan Survivability and Recovery
[X]Plan Information Supremacy
 
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[X] Plan Survivability and Appearance
-[X] +1 Essence Gives two more motes to cap; May spent 2 Essence in one round; unlocks Shintai form 8 XP
-[X] +1 Appearance, with practice and with will you take on a guise less strange, less eerie 4 XP
-[X] Lanka Charm: Viridian Legend Exoskeleton:
Gives highest of Strength, Stamina and Charisma in Soak for one scene for 1 Essence. 6xp

[X] Plan Survivability and Recovery
 
[x] The Hell of Burrowing Maggots Charm: Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••): Grant the prayers of any who would cast their wishes in the wind and in exchange if you should wish demand obediance
 
Only if they are flaw on your character sheet and well Infernal that would likily just kill them to solve the problem.
Citation needed.
The text of the charm is clear that you can both grant Merits and remove Flaws, as well as give Background dots.
For the third time the GM has said we can do it 100% success rate no save for the fallen, take it up with hi
This is not accurate.

The GM said we can exorcise the Fallen from a Denarian with Sapphire Circle Banishment, which is a Ancient Sorcery spell that takes an hour to complete, during which you have to have the victim either willing or bound and incapable of interfering.
They did NOT say that we can punch through an Angel's magical defenses around their partner in order to send them to hell.

I mean, are you going to suggest next that we can imprison Ferrovax if he refuses to keep a deal?
What of Uriel?
Because we're at the point where you are looking at the metaphysical heavyweights of the setting and doing "Meh, I can take them".

Remember that our shard and Usum just came out of imprisonment in Arctis Tor.
We are not the heaviest hitter in this setting by a long way.
Are you trolling. Just say you work for me now, tell me everything about your Denarians plans. Go talk to you mates wearing a wire, and get them making wishes. VED can easily be used to subvert entire organization both mundane and supernatural. It is an unlimited favor they have to preform or die. The only limit is it can't be completely impossible or suicidal. So if we got a favor from a host we can say, discard your coin and they have to do it, or die. We could also say go mess up winter stuff and put all of the Denarians on their hit list, and they have to do it.
Thats not how it works at all my friend.
VED can only be granted once per year per person, costs 5 Essence per use, and you need to accept three different wishes in order for the Infernal to have any social effect on you.

Molly does not have enough Essence to grant more than two Wishes a day, and she cant give the same person any wish for at least a year after tha.

Im not sure where you are getting all these grandiose expectations from.
Seriously, read the text of the charm.
Its right there in black and white:
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Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••)
Even the damned pray, and the Infernal may
choose to answer these prayers. When the Infernal
hears another being express a wish to be something
they currently are not (stronger, smarter, more beau-
tiful, more wealthy, and so forth), she may reach out
with her Essence to grant the stated wish, even if the
wish was not uttered in serious expectation of fulfill-
ment. There is, of course, a price.

System: Upon hearing an uttered wish, the Infernal
may spend 5 Essence to grant it.
The world conspires to
bring about the Infernal's blessing as soon as possible,
usually within the same scene. The beneficiary knows
only that the hand of fortune is upon them, and they
may accept or reject it. Rejection costs a point of Will-
power. Sensing the sinister price attached to the gift re-
quires a Perception + Awareness roll against difficulty 8.
The Infernal can grant any of the following: a dot of
an Attribute; a dot of an Ability; a dot of a Background;
a Merit; or she can remove a Flaw.
No character can
have more than one wish granted in the course of a year.

There are two hidden prices to the Infernal's gift.

First: At any point after granting a wish, the In-
fernal may approach the beneficiary and ask them to
perform one task on her behalf. The task may be as
involved or lengthy as the Infernal desires, so long as
it isn't impossible or utterly suicidal, and so long as it
has some defined end-point within a year and a day. If
the beneficiary refuses or shirks the Infernal's task, he
is ripped from the world and cast into the Hell of Bur
rowing Maggots… and he is instinctively aware of the
wages of disobedience, once the task has been spoken.

Second: After accepting three gifts from the Infer-
nal, the beneficiary becomes a creature of darkness,
instinctively loyal to the Infernal,
who reduces the dif-
ficulty of all social rolls against the character by three.
======
No offence, but you have been making this argument based on inaccurate information.
 
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A thought.

If people want Demon Emperor Shintai for some reason, then Viridian Legend Exoskeleton should be mandatory, due to the extreme synergy with the attributes and soak it grants.

For Devil Tyrant it's less important, but its still 5 extra soak.

Hollow Mind is pretty good, but I feel like we can wait due to needing stuff to use it on for the most effect, while VLE is very good out of the box and can only improve.

Hollow Mind can also improve, but requires much more investment, both time and resources, not to mention EXP.
 
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[] Wicked City Charm: Hollow Mind Possession (••): Invest a dark spirit in a into a smart device within line of sight, awakening it into an AI subject of your power within the limits of the device. Can be permanent with enough successes 4 XP
Say, is this 4xp or 8xp?

Because the leading plan assumes it is 4xp.
[] The Hell of Burrowing Maggots Charm: Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••): Grant the prayers of any who would cast their wishes in the wind and in exchange if you should wish demand obediance
I think that this should be 20xp, not that it matters.
A thought.

If people want Demon Emperor Shintai for some reason, then Viridian Legend Exoskeleton should be mandatory, due to the extreme synergy with the attributes and soak it grants.
It would be mandatory for all Shintai's as there is a lot of Synergy there.

But yeah, taking Demon Emperor Shintai without VLE is a doable but not a good idea as the charm helps with tanking a lot.
 
Nicodemus, indeed most of the Denarians, have never lacked for audacity.

Yeah no. You are not ripping the soul of a Denarian's steed out of its body because it refused to keep a deal.
They lie. They cheat. They break deals and rules. Its a fundamental part of their nature. The idea that you get to supercede an angel's defenses around its favored steed is fairly preposterous. Not gonna happen unless the GM rules otherwise.

We're Exalted. We're a Big Deal. But there are much bigger Players than us swimming in this pond.

I mean, its not like this is some unprecedented news.
OG Exalted had Shaping defenses and UMI defenses against precisely this sort of threat as well, when wielded by more powerful actors than a baby Solaroid. Righteous Lion Defense was de rigeur for a Solaroid.

Same difference.
White Court virgins kill their first victim, regardless of what flavor of emotion they prefer.
Socializing for empathy endangers that.

A denarian faced with its host being under the power of VED would have a choice:

A) Fight the Exaltation head on power against power and see who comes out on top
B) Roll with the curse, but specify that the victim gets to keep their body... and their coin. Getting out of the Hell of Burrowing Maggots is hard, but achievable for random damned souls, it is much more the latter for a Denarian

This is all assuming no shaping defenses, which are a thing someone can have, though at the current levels of magic they are not easy to sustain and of course it is assuming the person with a Fallen Angel in their soul can't find a way to weasel out of a deal.

In short, it takes more than one good charm to bind one of the Order of the Blackened Denarius to your will, though as with most things when speaking about the Chosen it is not impossible
 
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Yes we do.
Cha 3 + Tech 1 + Stunt 2 is a dice pool of 6.
Even without exploding dice, we can reliably apply it.
That is excluding the Difficulty 7 and -ve sux from rolling 1s and the lack of an excellency.

Eitherway, while possible, it is pushing things for a charm that will require much more investment such as more dots, purchasing an excellency and so on.

It is not bad but premature.
 
Even without exploding dice, we can reliably apply it.
I don't think you're right based on the number of dice you posit.

At least in a truly useful manner.

Why not wait for it? What makes it important to take right now with no investment or ability to really make use of it, and just being able to use it at all isn't it.

VLE importance is due to the Shintai vote coming up.
 
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Also it looks like I miss-priced Hollow Mind Possession, since that is on me and since I left it up overnight you guys can have it for cheap. Oh and so I do not unduly influence the voting process the discount stands no matter when you take it.
 
A denarian faced with its host being under the power of VED would have a choice:

A) Fight the Exaltation head on power against power and see who comes out on top
B) Roll with the curse, but specify that the victim gets to keep their body... and their coin. Getting out of the Hell of Burrowing Maggots is hard, but achievable for random damned souls, it is much more the latter for a Denarian


This is all assuming no shaping defenses, which are a thing someone can have, though at the current levels of magic they are not easy to sustain and of course it is assuming the person with a Fallen Angel in their soul can't find a way to weasel out of a deal.

In short, it takes more than one good charm to bind one of the Order of the Blackened Denarius to your will, though as with most things when speaking about the Chosen it is not impossible
Thanks I hate both options.
Either letting a Denarian loose in our inner Kingdom, or just chucking them into a Yama King's Hell where they can cut a deal.
Both sound like they have the potential to be....Interesting. In the Chinese meaning of the word.

And while it would be interesting to watch an Exaltation and an Angel fight, I would prefer it not be the Exaltation attached to our PC's body. And that we were on a different planet.
 
Yeah, we can take VLE now, then since the synergy with Shintai, then due to having Charred Sinner and VLE, all the low hanging super important stuff will be taken.

Next purchase can be Hollow Mind with some Technology or Intelligence, or VEE if people want.

And while it would be interesting to watch an Exaltation and an Angel fight, I would prefer it not be the Exaltation attached to our PC's body. And that we were on a different planet.
It's probably doable at Essence 4-5.

Essence 4 is about Oracle level Arete equivalent and Essence 5 is Arete 10. I'd bet good money on Areta 9-10 Mages against an Angel.

Edit: Interestingly in this case, as far as I know oWoD Angels are even more horrifyingly powerful than Dresden Angels, so this time the match up is in our favour.
 
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Yes we do.
Cha 3 + Tech 1 + Stunt 2 is a dice pool of 6.
Even without exploding dice, we can reliably apply it.
Are you sure that can be stunted?

Charm-uses, particularly one like this seem weird to stunt. Outside of combat.

I guess you could think up a little rotual to imbue the device with a demon and try to have that count as a stunt?
 
[] Wicked City Charm: Hollow Mind Possession (••): Invest a dark spirit in a into a smart device within line of sight, awakening it into an AI subject of your power within the limits of the device. Can be permanent with enough successes 4 XP
Also if you do not mind, why is a Dark Spirit involved in this charm?

The Fluff and System are very clear.
Pouring her Essence into a "smart" device, the Infernal usurps whatever is made in false imitation of a mind and makes it into her servant.
System: The Infernal spends a moment focusing on a computerized device within her line of sight, such as a networked computer or a car with onboard GPS, then spends 1 Essence and rolls Charisma + (higher of Computer or Technology) against difficulty 7. Success briefly awakens the spirit of the targeted technology and makes it into the Infernal's slave. While this Charm remains in effect, the targeted technology is essentially "alive" and obedient to the Infernal's commands. Hollow Mind Possession's duration lasts as outlined on the following chart:
So both Fluff and Crunch says we "pour" essence and awaken the least spirit of the device and not insert a new one.

I was asking as your description is different.
 
Edit: Interestingly in this case, as far as I know oWoD Angels are even more horrifyingly powerful than Dresden Angels, so this time the match up is in our favour.
Not really.
The PCs from Demon the Fallen are all former angels and they are not so terrfyingly powerful.

Or to be more accurate, the PCs are diminished angels by having to use a mortal's brain as their main-processor.
The Earthbound Demons though are still complete, if tormented and insane, remembering all their power from the War.
And while those are very powerful things, they are not exactly galaxy-shaping.
 
Also if you do not mind, why is a Dark Spirit involved in this charm?

The Fluff and System are very clear.

So both Fluff and Crunch says we "pour" essence and awaken the least spirit of the device and not insert a new one.

I was asking as your description is different.

Because making a new spirit comes with all kinds of awkward questions about both the morality and the practicality of the charm. What does the new toaster spirit know about the world and is is right to make it a servant etc...? Alternatively if it is a summoning with the price up front, you get in here and out of Hell but you have to serve me all those issues go away.
 
Not really.
The PCs from Demon the Fallen are all former angels and they are not so terrfyingly powerful.

Or to be more accurate, the PCs are diminished angels by having to use a mortal's brain as their main-processor.
The Earthbound Demons though are still complete, if tormented and insane, remembering all their power from the War.
And while those are very powerful things, they are not exactly galaxy-shaping.
Angels such as the Ebon Dragon and the Scarlet Queen, though, and those who are truly undiminished angels are more powerful than unAscended Mages and Caine himself.

Also, the think galaxies away is Archangel, not every type of angel as far as I know, not that it matters.

Because making a new spirit comes with all kinds of awkward questions about both the morality and the practicality of the charm. What does the new toaster spirit know about the world and is is right to make it a servant etc...? Alternatively if it is a summoning with the price up front, you get in here and out of Hell but you have to serve me all those issues go away.
What? Questions of awkward morality should never be a barrier, especially when dealing with Infernal Charms. As to what it knows, Spirits know their function and in general that's it, or maybe can know their surroundings only through the lens of their own nature, if its oWoD style Spirits I think.

I don't think you should change it just based on those things. I don't even think they count as awkward questions.
 
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It's probably doable at Essence 4-5.
Essence 4 is about Oracle level Arete equivalent and Essence 5 is Arete 10. I'd bet good money on Areta 9-10 Mages against an Angel.
WoD doesnt have an almighty God.
This setting does.
I would absolutely bet on the Angel. I just dont want to be in the blast radius.

Are you sure that can be stunted?
Charm-uses, particularly one like this seem weird to stunt. Outside of combat.
I guess you could think up a little rotual to imbue the device with a demon and try to have that count as a stunt?
Yes? You can stunt anything the QM gives you the opportunity to.

And like I said, a single month long turn where Molly was only spending 3 Essence on this per day gives her 90 opportunities to nail it, and leaves her with 9/12 Essemce. 4 Essence is 120 opportunities, and leaves her with 8/12 Essence.
The odds are pretty good.
I don't think you're right based on the number of dice you posit.
At least in a truly useful manner.

Why not wait for it? What makes it important to take right now with no investment or ability to really make use of it, and just being able to use it at all isn't it.
VLE importance is due to the Shintai vote coming up.
You dont have to take my word for it.
Doing the probability of rolling 7 or higher on a D10 is something you can look up for yourself.
Or ask Yog to do it for you.

Because we need intelligence more than we need additional armor right now.
We're already tough enough to tank assault weapon fire, which is where Harry Dresden is right now.

VLE is not a shintai prereq.
If you pick it up after crafting your Shintai, you still get the benefits retroactively.
 
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Angels such as the Ebon Dragon and the Scarlet Queen, though, and those who are truly undiminished angels are more powerful than unAscended Mages and Caine himself.

Also, the think galaxies away is Archangel, not every type of angel as far as I know, not that it matters.
I don't think any currently active Angels exist in WoD.

The complete absence of God and his Angels in any form visible or noticable to all supernatural beings is something of a plot point, particularly in Demon the Fallen.
 
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